Serie A Discussion 2010/2011 SPOILERS FOR ALL MATCHES

[talk2smc]

needed the new thread as Lecce and Cesena were promoted today. :) yay for more southern clubs (Lecce at least :P) back in the top flight!

[Darkwing]

needed the new thread as Lecce and Cesena were promoted today. :) yay for more southern clubs (Lecce at least :P) back in the top flight!

Torino too hopefully, yay for the north :)

[talk2smc]

Brescia back in Serie A after beating Torino in the playoff today.
:)

[Darkwing]

Brescia back in Serie A after beating Torino in the playoff today.
:)

stop rubbing it in :mad:

[talk2smc]

stop rubbing it in :mad:

tough one to take guy, feel for you. but it was ill tempered all around, and Brescia won today.

be proud Toro made it to the playoff, and still has a solid base for next year. tho the constant selling rumors are unsettling.

not rubbing it in, just saying who earned promotion.

[Darkwing]

was just sore :p

[souseiseki]

So Inter takes home the Supercoppa after a comedy of errors from Lobont, Vucinic, Taddei and Cassetti. With Julio Sergio in goal, things would look much different, but it's still not a great sign.

Inter looking sharp as usual. Mourinho wasn't doing anything particularly complicated, Rafa has an easy job this season if players stay fit

[Whoah10115]

Inter looking sharp as usual. Mourinho wasn't doing anything particularly complicated, Rafa has an easy job this season if players stay fit



Outside of the CL win (really Chelsea and Barca) Mourinho didn't do much of anything with Inter. They sucked in the CL the year before and they didn't even run thru a watered-down Serie A this past season. Had Roma not blahed they'd be champs.

[MutuILFenomeno]

So Inter takes home the Supercoppa after a comedy of errors from Lobont, Vucinic, Taddei and Cassetti. With Julio Sergio in goal, things would look much different, but it's still not a great sign.

Inter looking sharp as usual. Mourinho wasn't doing anything particularly complicated, Rafa has an easy job this season if players stay fit

Lobont was horrible; and as I'm a Romanian, me saying that means something. He has his great moments and they carry through but clearly yesterday it wasn't.

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Matches to keep an eye on first week are Fiorentina v. Napoli and Sampdoria v. Lazio.

[cipro]

GDS released this year's club wages. Always a fun read.

http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/07-09-2010/paghe-un-miliardo-711054690589.shtml

[talk2smc]

GDS released this year's club wages. Always a fun read.

http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/07-09-2010/paghe-un-miliardo-711054690589.shtml

i seriously look for this post from you every year...thanks a ton guy.

its interesting when you look at a club like Roma...pretty much things are what you expect. but damn, had we sold off Doni, Baptista, and Cincinho we would have made $ from the funds and saving a TON on wages. we all already knew that Adri gets paid FAR too much, Sergio needs another raise, and Mexes needs to be tied down. if he is the third highest paid player on the squad, he needs to play imo.


Ibra, Flamini, Eto'o, Dossena, Mutu, Toni, all grossly overpaid.

[talk2smc]

http://www.football-italia.net/sep10h.html

proposed strike to occur Week 5...Oddo stating that the outcome of Abete's meeting on Monday probably wont matter and the players will still strike that week...

:mad::( ugh, hate these interruptions but in todays world of sports, any sport, the power lies with the players and the agents.

[ugen64]

http://www.football-italia.net/sep18j.html

interesting quotes by Mihajlovic :)

[talk2smc]

well...hate to say it...but 7 rounds in and Reja has Lazio playing fantastically.

Hernanes, Pastore, Eto'o, Krasic, Cavani, Pato all having a greeeat start to the year.

nice to have some thru and thru playmakers showing off, as last few years havent had that much beyond Pirlo, Pizarro, Sneijder when he came in..


when compared with other leagues around Europe right now, shows you how tight Serie A is with the amount of upsets and points in the table right now

[sportsmen]

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[footnboot]

OMFG taddei's goal vs juve.........

[Ken]

taddei, bella calcio per roma :)

forgive my italian, i only began to learn this week :)

[sun7p]

Oddo is one of spoilers

[talk2smc]

this thread isnt much active anymore, but just have to say-

what an amazing job Guidolin is doing with Udinese, Sanchez and Di Natale. jesus....they just fly up the table and dont lose, and demolish teams...

[INTER]

Not letting a goal in the last 7 consecutive matches is as impressive as their scoring hunger. Let's wait and see if they manage to keep that versus you guys as well. :D

[talk2smc]

Zlatan Ibrahimovic is the highest-paid player in Serie A, but Mario Balotelli is the Italy international with the biggest pay packet.

Futebol Finance in Portugal analysed the top earners in world football and found Real Madrid’s Cristiano Ronaldo top of the pile with €12m per season.

He is followed by Barcelona hero Leo Messi on €10.5m, Fernando Torres of Chelsea and Manchester City’s Yaya Toure on €10m.

The highest-paid Serie A player is Milan striker Ibrahimovic, who is sixth in Europe overall with his €9m per season wages.

Inter hitman Samuel Eto’o is in joint ninth position with Carlos Tevez and Franck Ribery on €8m.

However, the Italian with the biggest monthly pay packet is Balotelli, who is 19th in the total rundown thanks to the €6.5m he receives from Manchester City.

SuperMario is on a par with Premier League colleagues Edin Dzeko and Rio Ferdinand.

Gigi Buffon of Juventus and Milan veteran Andrea Pirlo are both on €6m per season in joint 26th place, followed by Francesco Totti on €5.5m.

Bizarrely, the survey discovered that Amauri – who is on loan at Parma from Juventus – is paid €4.2m. That’s $200,000 per season more than Juve captain Alessandro Del Piero, who is 85th in the overall charts.

Luca Toni is a bigger earner than both with €5m per campaign.

Other Serie A figures in the top 100 are Daniele De Rossi (61st on €4.6m), Alessandro Nesta, Diego Milito, Julio Cesar and Mathieu Flamini (all joint 62nd on €4.5m), Robinho, Del Piero, Wesley Sneijder, Esteban Cambiasso and Clarence Seedorf (all joint 82nd on €4m) and Douglas Maicon (joint 96th on €3.8m).




from Calcio Italia...pretty shocking in some places...

Ibra, and Eto'o make sense, Buffon, Pirlo and Totti are probably justified, but Amauri and Toni making more than ADP. cmon Juve, seriously...

Flamini as well..wow. some agent he has to convince anyone hes worth any $.

[kaku]

Sampdoria in Serie B next season after going down 1-2 at home to Sampdoria and Lecce's away win at Bari.

A CL spot is out of reach for Roma after losing 2-1 to Catania and Juventus (most likely) won't play in a European Competition next season.

Udinese(0-2 at Chievo) and Lazio(4-2 Genoa) will battle for a CL spot in the last round of Serie A.

[talk2smc]

Juve can take 6th next weekend, if Roma lose and they win. :(

late Gomez goal in Catania assured that. its always Catania. they deserved it. and our season has been shit.

only in italy can a team who featured in the CL in the beginning of the year can end of relegated in the end.

why sell Pazzini and Cassano? Garrone's pride took them down. and to be fair ill miss the Derby della Laterna.



it pains me to say it. but congrats to Lazio for being atop Roma for one season. its typically a rarity.

and way to go Roma. on flopping the entire year long.

[kaku]

Juve can take 6th next weekend, if Roma lose and they win. :(

I don't think you'll manage to lose at home to an already relegated Samp!:p

[kaku]

Roma holding tight the 5th place right now

Roma - Doria
2-1

Juve - Napoli
1-2

Udinese are 10 minutes away from a CL spot. 0-0 at home to ACM.

Lazio 2-4 at Lecce, hoping for a present from ACM.

[kaku]

Juve just equalized, but not even a win would be enough for them right now.

Boriello 3-1 for Roma. All over. No european campaign for Juve next season.

[kaku]

Serie A 2010-2011 season is now history.

Udinese in the CL, Roma in the Europa League.

CL
AC Milan
Inter
Napoli
Udinese

Europa
Roma
Lazio

[talk2smc]

Udinese deserved it and everyone where they should be based on the year imo.

congrats to Di Natale, a class act if you ask me, congrats to Milan and lets all prepare for the silliest of seasons.

[INTER]

lets all prepare for the silliest of seasons.

Huh? :confused:

[talk2smc]

Huh? :confused:

:P the silly season of transfer links and speculation until August

[kaku]

:P the silly season of transfer links and speculation until August
Haha, true that.:D

[eurotrash]

It's hilarious how Inter have been going on and on about how they were so innocent, and how evil all the others were, always talking about them being the only ones who win cleanly etc. Less funny how they profited massively from Juve and Milan's Calciopoli issues. And now it finally comes out, though it was really known all along, that Inter were doing the exact same things as everyone else. I think the hate for them will be stepped up a notch or ten. Can't wait to see the banners when Milan or Juve play them.

[phat]

It's hilarious how Inter have been going on and on about how they were so innocent, and how evil all the others were, always talking about them being the only ones who win cleanly etc. Less funny how they profited massively from Juve and Milan's Calciopoli issues. And now it finally comes out, though it was really known all along, that Inter were doing the exact same things as everyone else. I think the hate for them will be stepped up a notch or ten. Can't wait to see the banners when Milan or Juve play them.

It's blatantly obvious that Moratti has the league in his pocket. Inter are disgusting, their fans and players should be ashamed! I hope Juve, Milan, Viola and the rest sue Inter and the FIGC in civil court for damages. Inter deserve no less then relegation + 12 point deduction.

INTERMERDA! VAFANCULO!!!

[phat]

Eppure, ne sono convinto, al Meazza continueranno imperterriti a cantare "Vinciamo senza rubare". Quando la verità è che loro perdevano anche "rubando..."

Yet, I am convinced, they will continue undeterred to sing at the Meazza "We win without stealing." When the truth is that they lost even "stealing ..."

http://www.tuttojuve.com/?action=read&idnotizia=55473

[eurotrash]

Will be interesting to see Michael Bradley in Serie A as he just signed with Chievo.

[Whoah10115]

Good luck to Palermo. That team will never go anywhere with that freak of an owner.

[phat]

Milan - Napoli looked like a fix to me...

#1&2 with most goals in the league. Both not scoring goals last week. Cavani missing sitters and Milan playing a man down .... The guy looked like he was missing on purpose. Was very strange

[talk2smc]

a fix with Ibra purposely getting himself sent off? game looked fine to me given both teams current runs of form.

Doni's earlier disgusting fixes this season certainly taint our beloved calcio yet again. his denials even more disgusting.

[phat]

a fix with Ibra purposely getting himself sent off? game looked fine to me given both teams current runs of form.

Doni's earlier disgusting fixes this season certainly taint our beloved calcio yet again. his denials even more disgusting.

Napoli was the fix.


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[talk2smc]

not discussed much here really...

but how about Catania under Montella, great season so far.

Siena's Cup run, 90 minutes from the Final

Novara's first away win in 60 some years v INTER, also pulling the double over them

Juve still unbeaten as well, and its February thats a huge feat. i for one think the new stadium plays a huge part in that

Napoli into the round of 16 for CL

and the stain that is Doni on fixes yet again

[talk2smc]

careful Claudio...

[phat]

Young Inter fan asks team to win so he doesn’t get teased (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/young-inter-fan-asks-team-win-doesn-t-203347581.html)

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/BCVgeU3jZwBv_AEeWoveZQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptussowexperts/filippo.jpg

http://stevenpolapa.blogdetik.com/files/2012/02/01-interrr.jpg
from juventus fan :D

[talk2smc]

oh juve fans. i actually respect the kid as he said in the interview that he wouldnt change his squad.

classy of Inter too and a good pr move to bring him in to meet the players.

[phat]

Happy BD Roby!

Auguri Divin Codino


http://www.gazzetta.it/gallery/Calcio/02-2012/baggio/variabili-81378906301.shtml

Baggio compie 45 anni.
Gli auguri della Juve‎

Con la maglia bianconera cinque stagioni, con 200 presenze e 115 gol segnati



http://www.tuttosport.com/calcio/serie_a/juventus/2012/02/18-171345/Baggio+compie+45+anni.+Gli+auguri+della+Juve

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Quarantacinque volte Baggio, buon compleanno all'essenza del calcio

http://www.tuttonapoli.net/?action=read&idnotizia=84120

[phat]

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/3981/vignetto.jpg

[talk2smc]

looool. Reja cant even resign with pride. twice.

[talk2smc]

http://www.football-italia.net/node/16045

you have to laugh at Juve and its player's 'logic' upon PKs.

no worries, we arent asking for favors. by coming out EVERY game and saying how you dont get PKs. no big deal. im just saying in the MEDIA AGAIN how much Juve NEEDS a PK because of unfair treatment by referees.

just another reason to hate Nedved as if there werent 1000 already.

bet ya they get one v Milan tonight. but no favors..

[phat]

http://www.football-italia.net/node/16045

you have to laugh at Juve and its player's 'logic' upon PKs.

no worries, we arent asking for favors. by coming out EVERY game and saying how you dont get PKs. no big deal. im just saying in the MEDIA AGAIN how much Juve NEEDS a PK because of unfair treatment by referees.

just another reason to hate Nedved as if there werent 1000 already.

bet ya they get one v Milan tonight. but no favors..

Milan are averaging 1 pk call per 4 games.

[talk2smc]

Milan are averaging 1 pk call per 4 games.

either way you cut it, Moggi, Conte, Nedved, Buffon, and whoever else has whined about it look like babies.

and in the wake of yesterday, Allegri, Silvio, Boban, et al are 100% correct to say that whining did exactly what Conte wanted and conditioned a result.

[phat]

either way you cut it, Moggi, Conte, Nedved, Buffon, and whoever else has whined about it look like babies.

and in the wake of yesterday, Allegri, Silvio, Boban, et al are 100% correct to say that whining did exactly what Conte wanted and conditioned a result.

Sorry but that's complete BS:

MILAN'S PENALTY AWARDS
CATANIA (h), November 6 - score at the time: 1-0
Lanzafame goes wrong side of Robinho and pulls him down
VERDICT: Good call
CHIEVO (h), November 27 - score at the time: 3-0
Luciano brings down Pato after one-touch play
VERDICT: Maybe a touch generous, but hardly great defending
GENOA (a), December 2 - score at the time: 0-0
Foul by Kaladze on Ibrahimovic
VERDICT: Fair call
BOLOGNA (a), December 11 - score at the time: 1-1
Raggi steps across Ibrahimovic after cutting out a pass to the offside Pato
VERDICT: Foul was debatable, and Pato was offside from original pass
SIENA (a), December 17 - score at the time: 1-0
Brkic booked for bringing down Boateng
VERDICT: Boateng left leg trailing in order to induce contactATALANTA (a), January 8 - score at the time: 0-0
Pato lets ball run across his body, but Manfredini comes through the back of him
VERDICT: Surefire penalty

JUVENTUS' REJECTED CLAIMS
PARMA (h), September 11 - score at the time: 2-0
Lichtsteiner plays ball in behind for Del Piero, but Paletta runs into him from behind
VERDICT: Seen them given, seen them not given
INTER (a), October 29 - score at the time: 2-1
Marchisio chips over Castellazzi but is clattered into by the keeper
VERDICT: Stonewall penalty
LECCE (a), January 8 - score at the time: 1-0
Advancing Lichtsteiner brought down by Esposito
VERDICT: 50/50
SIENA (h), February 5 - score at the time: 0-0
Chiellini's cross from the left is blocked by Vergassola's arm
VERDICT: Penalty. Arm in unnatural position and there was movement toward ball
PARMA (a), February 15 - score at the time: 0-0
Giaccherini runs on to Pirlo's lofted pass but is caught by Biabiany
VERDICT: Biabiany got none of the ball ... penalty
PARMA (a), February 15 - score at the time: 0-0
Santacroce's lazy leg catches Pirlo in the box
VERDICT: There was contact, but was it enough to go down?

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[phat]

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/7812/41828336343048034733115.jpg

[duffy101]

Serie A winners (last 10 years)
Inter 5 times, Juve 2 times, Milan 2 times

We might be shit at the moment but other teams have had it far worse over the last 10 years.

[capo]

^ yeah, you keep telling yourself that! :D
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2263/differenzeberlusconimor.jpg

[talk2smc]

well. even if Sabatina, Sensi, Di Benedetto, Baldini and every Roma great in the past came out and begged for what Conte and co. whine about it still wouldnt help us from ourselves.

:(

no matter how you cut it, he pushed for a result to come from referees, and he got it in Milan.

[phat]

well. even if Sabatina, Sensi, Di Benedetto, Baldini and every Roma great in the past came out and begged for what Conte and co. whine about it still wouldnt help us from ourselves.

:(

no matter how you cut it, he pushed for a result to come from referees, and he got it in Milan.

Ok so the straight red Mexes and Muntari should have received (they got nothing during the game, Mexes later got 3 games) and Milan would be down 2 men is exactly what Conte wanted? How does this not change the game?

Let's see... Conte conditions the ref to continue doing what they have been doing to Juve, NO CALLS, so that he gets a draw.

What your saying has zero logic.... sorry.

[talk2smc]

i think it has logic given that Conte and co's coments for weeks would eventually put then in a beneficial situation.

honestly who didnt see the ball cross the line? only the referees who didnt have the bottle to make a call on it. unless you perhaps believe that they dont read the papers for the duration of the season..

Mexes is getting his ban now which is no different than Ibra's and any others after video evidence, and Pirlo was no peach in the game.

you have to admit, no matter what, the only team crying for weeks is Juve. everyone else has gotten results robbed or big calls missed. Balzaretti was sent off after 73 seconds in a ridiculous call and Mutti didnt have a word beyond, cards we were dealt.

i find it comical one of the best clubs in italy has such a complex they are engrossed in this. Inter used to do it all the time with Mancini. Moratti still does.

[matuag]

Milan's Mexes banned for off-the-ball punch (http://fourfourtwo.com/news/italy/96342/default.aspx)

AC Milan defender Philippe Mexes has been banned for three matches for punching an opponent in an off-the-ball incident during Saturday's 1-1 Serie A draw with Juventus.

The Italian League said its disciplinary tribunal, basing its decision on video evidence, had found the Frenchman guilty of violent conduct in a clash with Juventus striker Marco Boriello.

In its verdict, the tribunal said Mexes had punched Boriello in the side, knocking him to the ground.

Milan's top-scorer Zlatan Ibrahimovic has just completed a three-match ban for slapping an opponent in a game against Napoli.

Juventus were fined 10,000 euros after their fans chanted racist insults at Milan players during the same game while Lazio were fined the same amount for ethnic insults by their fans against Fiorentina.

Are AC Milan players auditioning for alternative careers :o

[talk2smc]

Mexes has always been that way. a bit shocked tho against a player who was his teammate less than a year ago

[deviant]

Mexes has always been that way. a bit shocked tho against a player who was his teammate less than a year ago

Im shocked that the football world isn't calling him to be sent to prison like this guy I know.

[phat]

i think it has logic given that Conte and co's coments for weeks would eventually put then in a beneficial situation.

honestly who didnt see the ball cross the line? only the referees who didnt have the bottle to make a call on it. unless you perhaps believe that they dont read the papers for the duration of the season..

Mexes is getting his ban now which is no different than Ibra's and any others after video evidence, and Pirlo was no peach in the game.

you have to admit, no matter what, the only team crying for weeks is Juve. everyone else has gotten results robbed or big calls missed. Balzaretti was sent off after 73 seconds in a ridiculous call and Mutti didnt have a word beyond, cards we were dealt.

i find it comical one of the best clubs in italy has such a complex they are engrossed in this. Inter used to do it all the time with Mancini. Moratti still does.


So basically, Juve get 1 pk call all year the absolute lowest in the league, over 2 seasons even lower. Several no calls that make Conte and co upset result in them publicly calling for equal treatment by the refs who have been obviously instructed to be careful officiating Juve matches after Calciopoli where this was being done behind closed doors.

In this game, Milan get 1 disallowed goal. Juve get 1 disallowed goal and 2 straight reds not called. Everyone is crying "Juve conditioning refs". How does that make any sense?

[capo]

So basically, Juve get 1 pk call all year the absolute lowest in the league, over 2 seasons even lower.
How can the absolute lowest be even lower? :D

In this game, Milan get 1 disallowed goal. Juve get 1 disallowed goal and 2 straight reds not called. Everyone is crying "Juve conditioning refs". How does that make any sense?
You just answered your own question - "Several no calls that make Conte and co upset result in them publicly calling for equal treatment by the refs". How's crying for weeks and weeks (not only by coach, but the whole organization) can be seen anything other than putting pressure on the refs?

I think what talk2smc is trying to express is simply the fact that it's not a man's behaviour when you are continually crying over being mistreated and actually putting blame on others...it's just annoying as hell, making people unsympathetic towards you!

In your defence, futbol just like any other sport these days is all about money thus winning games is number one objective. In a game where one gol can mean a win or a loss, not called penalty shot makes a world of difference. So, just about any other team would complain about this matter, so would Roma, so would Milan, BUT it's all about how you do it! For a club that's currently number one in Italy and in the process of proving the whole world that Juventus is back on the big stage, what your organization is doing right now just isn't the way to go. They should just shut the f up and destroy everybody on the pitch, put pressure on the refs by consistently making your opponents foul you in the box! Actions speak louder than words and respect means a lot!

[phat]

How can the absolute lowest be even lower? :D


You just answered your own question - "Several no calls that make Conte and co upset result in them publicly calling for equal treatment by the refs". How's crying for weeks and weeks (not only by coach, but the whole organization) can be seen anything other than putting pressure on the refs?

I think what talk2smc is trying to express is simply the fact that it's not a man's behaviour when you are continually crying over being mistreated and actually putting blame on others...it's just annoying as hell, making people unsympathetic towards you!

In your defence, futbol just like any other sport these days is all about money thus winning games is number one objective. In a game where one gol can mean a win or a loss, not called penalty shot makes a world of difference. So, just about any other team would complain about this matter, so would Roma, so would Milan, BUT it's all about how you do it! For a club that's currently number one in Italy and in the process of proving the whole world that Juventus is back on the big stage, what your organization is doing right now just isn't the way to go. They should just shut the f up and destroy everybody on the pitch, put pressure on the refs by consistently making your opponents foul you in the box! Actions speak louder than words and respect means a lot!

Who's doing the crying now? Milan that's who.

Now all this discussion is about a game where Milan had 1 unfavorable call versus 3 for Juventus. Unjustifiable...

What many people are insinuating is that Juve have gained an advantage by stating facts that have put the refs under pressure. If this is true, then one is "admitting" to a mistreatment of FC Juventus by the refs and league.

On the other hand, Milan have gained about 15 points from favorable calls this season alone. That would put them in 7th tied with their cousins.

[capo]

Who's doing the crying now? Milan that's who.

Now all this discussion is about a game where Milan had 1 unfavorable call versus 3 for Juventus. Unjustifiable...

What many people are insinuating is that Juve have gained an advantage by stating facts that have put the refs under pressure. If this is true, then one is "admitting" to a mistreatment of FC Juventus by the refs and league.

On the other hand, Milan have gained about 15 points from favorable calls this season alone. That would put them in 7th tied with their cousins.
You are one funny dude! :D...So many excuses, none told you that excuses are for pansies? The game ended, draw is a draw, by blindly defending the actions of your club's management you just drop to their level! I'm not gonna count how many red cards Juve should've gotten in this match, how many games some of your players should've been disqualified for upon later review nor am I gonna count the points that Juventus should've dropped this season, what's the point anyways?! You've been able to turn the game around and end it in a draw, congrats on that, cheers.

[talk2smc]

I think what talk2smc is trying to express is simply the fact that it's not a man's behaviour when you are continually crying over being mistreated and actually putting blame on others...it's just annoying as hell, making people unsympathetic towards you!


i just find it funny a team such as Juve, who doesnt need to whine, does it constantly.

ask Chievo, Parma, Novara, Cesena, etc how many PKs and all calls they dont get.

even if you ask the big boys, not many complain constatnly. Inter did back with Mancini. Lotito, well always. but all this business with "fairness" from a manager is simply coercion.

[phat]

You are one funny dude! :D...So many excuses, none told you that excuses are for pansies? The game ended, draw is a draw, by blindly defending the actions of your club's management you just drop to their level! I'm not gonna count how many red cards Juve should've gotten in this match, how many games some of your players should've been disqualified for upon later review nor am I gonna count the points that Juventus should've dropped this season, what's the point anyways?! You've been able to turn the game around and end it in a draw, congrats on that, cheers.

Keep counting. Make sure you deduct the ones that have been unfavorable.

i just find it funny a team such as Juve, who doesnt need to whine, does it constantly.

ask Chievo, Parma, Novara, Cesena, etc how many PKs and all calls they dont get.

even if you ask the big boys, not many complain constatnly. Inter did back with Mancini. Lotito, well always. but all this business with "fairness" from a manager is simply coercion.

So why are the Milanisti bitching?

Marotta and Conte did it after 22 games + 1 season in which they got 1 favorable PK call.

[talk2smc]

why does Conte complain when he gets every offside call?:confused:

[capo]

why does Conte complain when he gets every offside call?:confused:
Yup, not counting dive in the box prior to that! :confused:

[talk2smc]

will Roma ever learn? :( sigh.

[capo]

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After the last game I think it pretty evident that Juve are still paying for Calciopoli and Cacaliani now has the league in his pocket. Moratti handed it over.

[talk2smc]

i think when you look at it objectively youd notice Conte's dependence upon Matri up front leaving Quaglia and Del Piero, not to mentino Borriello on the bench. youd see Leichsteiner's tired legs and lack of runs down the right anymore, youd see Pepe's inability to cross past the first man, and how badly the team misses Barzagli in defense.

but i always find it amusing how Juve is still paying for mistakes, when they made the mistake of calcipoli in the first place. even IF Juve was still paying for it, its THEIR mistake to pay for...


im just hoping ADP will grace us once more, tho its unfortunate I believe his one goal this year has been against Roma.

[capo]

Nah, talk2smc what are you talking about buddy? Objectivity doesn't live in Juveland! It's all conspiracy and obviously the fact how refs have been instructed to be careful officiating their games...in fact, they ALL are being sooo careful that manage to screw them in pretty much every game. Also, notice how when poor officiating actually does take place, it only happens in Juve matches and they are on a receiving end!

[talk2smc]

on a positive Juve note:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/1034662/ask-norman:-clubs%27-world-cup


look at number 4 :D ( however in our case it was often Brazilians and the like, Juve certainly more the Italians)

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Nah, talk2smc what are you talking about buddy? Objectivity doesn't live in Juveland! It's all conspiracy and obviously the fact how refs have been instructed to be careful officiating their games...in fact, they ALL are being sooo careful that manage to screw them in pretty much every game. Also, notice how when poor officiating actually does take place, it only happens in Juve matches and they are on a receiving end!

Rich coming from a Milanista. Been crying for weeks now over the bad goal decision.

How many PK goals does the Gypsy have again?

[capo]

That last Conte's interview made me lol hard - ""Some days ago, I read an interview with Allegri in which he asked for everyone to keep quiet, yet he is the only one who keeps on talking, while we have been in absolute silence." :D:D:D

Rich coming from a Milanista. Been crying for weeks now over the bad goal decision.

How many PK goals does the Gypsy have again?
No idea who you are talking about, but please don't sink even lower and start with name calling! I have no love and very little respect for Juventus, but respect your decision to support them!

[phat]

That last Conte's interview made me lol hard - ""Some days ago, I read an interview with Allegri in which he asked for everyone to keep quiet, yet he is the only one who keeps on talking, while we have been in absolute silence." :D:D:D


No idea who you are talking about, but please don't sink even lower and start with name calling! I have no love and very little respect for Juventus, but respect your decision to support them!

I haven't called you any names. But I understand how hard facts are easy to disregard with silence.

[capo]

I haven't called you any names. But I understand how hard facts are easy to disregard with silence.
Don't care what you call me, it's the players that play for my beloved Milan that you "publicly" disrespect, but then again if that's the representation of your class and upbringing - ain't nothing I can do about it. And yes, it's either silence or what you for example do best - pass desirable for reality and disregard facts that contradict your truth!

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Don't care what you call me, it's the players that play for my beloved Milan that you "publicly" disrespect, but then again if that's the representation of your class and upbringing - ain't nothing I can do about it. And yes, it's either silence or what you for example do best - pass desirable for reality and disregard facts that contradict your truth!

Get off his dick. He's a mercenary.. next year when he's playing for RM you can shed a tear.

Udinese blast 'pathetic' ref
http://www.football-italia.net/16815/udinese-blast-pathetic-ref

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[talk2smc]

http://www.football-italia.net/17251/allegri-want-talk-about-refs

have to say i agree.

[capo]

http://www.football-italia.net/17251/allegri-want-talk-about-refs

have to say i agree.
Have to say that I'm really disappointed how all this talk about refs, doesn't touch on the main issue tho - refereeing this season in Italy has been atrocious!! I'm also following EPL and La Liga closely, but even Spain where the big two seemingly always get favourable calls hasn't been as bad as Serie A. And I'm not even talking about Milan games or Juve's delusion here - seems that every time I watch a game, referees make at least one painfully obvious, blatant call and in many cases it changes the whole dynamic of the match. Maybe it's just my luck in picking games to watch on a certain day because if not, then we have a real problem that has to be discussed and fixed in the off-season!

[talk2smc]

the reason thats not the main issue is because what can you do about it? not just fans, coaches, clubs etc?

nothing, I feel each country should always use their own referees, and to be honest, I dont feel its any better or worse than any other year. i just find the disguised commentary from clubs/coaches (i dont want to talk about the refereeing decisions today, but they got them all wrong type shit) immensely comical.

[capo]

What do you mean there's nothing that can be done about it? The first and foremost - players, coaches, presidents gotta realize that such problem exists and publicly talk about it. Don't make comical (to us fans) remarks and worry only about your own ass, it takes pressure away from referees and makes it seem just like usual sour grapes post game comments. Make poor refereeing in the whole Serie A the main topic of discussion and once the main problem gets admitted, solutions will come along - it's not really that hard to improve on anyways!

[talk2smc]

What do you mean there's nothing that can be done about it? The first and foremost - players, coaches, presidents gotta realize that such problem exists and publicly talk about it. Don't make comical (to us fans) remarks and worry only about your own ass, it takes pressure away from referees and makes it seem just like usual sour grapes post game comments. Make poor refereeing in the whole Serie A the main topic of discussion and once the main problem gets admitted, solutions will come along - it's not really that hard to improve on anyways!

not really because its going to be subjective always and new referees will be blooded in from Serie B each year. the best I think that can happen is for technology to be introduced for the situations like today.

but champions find a way to win regardless of a poor decision here or there during a match. I think Milan is doing that, whereas the difference with Juve is I think its masking more on the field displays that were poor. hence the easy ability to fall on the PK claims.

(then again remember today, that Gomez scored onside, and called off as well, in addition to Robinho's goal.)

[capo]

not really because its going to be subjective always and new referees will be blooded in from Serie B each year. the best I think that can happen is for technology to be introduced for the situations like today.

but champions find a way to win regardless of a poor decision here or there during a match. I think Milan is doing that, whereas the difference with Juve is I think its masking more on the field displays that were poor. hence the easy ability to fall on the PK claims.

(then again remember today, that Gomez scored onside, and called off as well, in addition to Robinho's goal.)
Some good points brother! But we are again going into that whole Juve/Milan thing trying to determine who's handling the situation better. Since you brought in Catania game, on top of those two calls there were at least 2 others - Ibrahimovic's "offside" which would almost certainly result in a gol because he would have either one on one with Carrizo or pass to open Robinho who was unobstructed 1 meter away from the net and Boateng's "offside" which wouldn't necessarily be a gol, but at least create a very good attacking opportunity. That's at least 4 obvious decisions that would have pretty big impact on the final result - 4 in only one game!! A little too much me thinks...and I see this kind of shit every week obviously with other teams too! Referees making blatant decisions and then suffering no consequences for the job poorly done - it just ain't right!

[talk2smc]

i guess thats my point tho, what consequence would there be? a demotion to Serie B for a game, two? How would that improve the current referee? and if that happened youd need to promote a Serie B referee to some Serie A game for that week, and that could have its effects as well.

[talk2smc]

hoping Roma can build a stadium soon, bc I think Juve's secret is that stadium. place goes nuts with goals.

well beaten tho Napoli, and tho I think Vidal is a dirty player his goal was class.

I still think their strongest player by leagues is Barzagli tho. that defense and unbeaten record is down to him mostly I feel, and Chiellini surely.

[capo]

hoping Roma can build a stadium soon, bc I think Juve's secret is that stadium. place goes nuts with goals.

well beaten tho Napoli, and tho I think Vidal is a dirty player his goal was class.

I still think their strongest player by leagues is Barzagli tho. that defense and unbeaten record is down to him mostly I feel, and Chiellini surely.
There's also this guy named Gianluigi!:D Juve play great team defence and even though these individuals are a big part of it, I don't think it squarely sits on their shoulders. For God's sake, I mean most of the time they play with 10 men (when Pirlo is on the field) and barely ever concede - props to them. That's one of the main qualities that separate contenders from pretenders (Napoli). What a joke this Napoli team is, seriously! One game they are flying and are unstoppable the next couple they play like a bottom ass club. De Sanctis was laughable yesterday, reminded me of such greats like Dida, Gomes and Barthez!

[talk2smc]

read a stat that Juve has only conceded 17 goals, best in the top 5 Euro domestic leagues.

praise to Conte and the new stadium for that surely.

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read a stat that Juve has only conceded 17 goals, best in the top 5 Euro domestic leagues.

praise to Conte and the new stadium for that surely.

4 games without conceding a goal now.


Galliani is now saying that refs have taken 5 or 6 points from them. Never mind the fact that they've given them 6 or 7 points. Between Galliani and Allegri it's becoming a whine festival over there. Someone send them a wheel of cheese.

They have become such a joke. I never disliked Milan until this season. It's one of those rare occasions where I've ever thought about rooting against an Italian side in European competition. For the others, see Moratti's Inter.

[capo]

Wow, those cry baby classes from Conte and Co are starting to really pay off for some Juve fans, emotions are spilling all over the board. I mean I realize it's been years for you since your club has been at the big stage and you resort to supporting other Italian teams in Euro competitions, but let me reassure you - AC Milan will be just fine with or without your support, seriously!!! :D

[talk2smc]

thoughts with Morosini's family and the Livorno team...games all postponed today in respect of his life.

footage and pictures...ive seen them, but I feel due to respect they shouldnt even be publicized. tributes pouring in and rightfully so, I feel for the man, his family, Udinese, Atalanta, Livorno, all his friends and teammates...

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thoughts with Morosini's family and the Livorno team...games all postponed today in respect of his life.

footage and pictures...ive seen them, but I feel due to respect they shouldnt even be publicized. tributes pouring in and rightfully so, I feel for the man, his family, Udinese, Atalanta, Livorno, all his friends and teammates...

The video is horrible.... I watched it once but I don't want to post it. RIP. :(

[talk2smc]

The video is horrible.... I watched it once but I don't want to post it. RIP. :(

the video absolutely shouldnt be publicized, I was shocked to see it. it truly shook me.

reports now that Udinese will care for his sister which is only right, in a financial sense. and that possibly the cardiac arrest occurred from an aneurysm from a clash of heads previously.

either way...truly scary. all in mourning for Morosini.

http://www.corrieredellosport.it/calcio/2012/04/14-233408/Da+Lavezzi+fino+a+Totti%3A+Ciao+Moro%2C+riposa+in+ pace

messages from many players and coaches

[talk2smc]

well done to Conte and Juve. consistency wins the title, and to go unbeaten, tho one game remaining, is quite a feat. an odd scudetto given that it is being celebrated in Trieste.

and an odd season in general for so many clubs. Roma, well, failed project. waste of a year. struggling to find anything positive.

Lazio's manager tried to resign twice, the Udinese goal v them, Rossi's attack on Ljalic, Genoa's Ultras idiots, Inter's 3 managers, Cassano's health, Parma's late rise and push, Atalanta's position despite points penalty, more betting scandals, some memorable Derbies, Siena's Cup run. quite a bit.


several members weve known for years leaving Italy as well. Del Piero out with another Scudetto, Di Vaio off to Montreal, Nesta possibly to MLS, Cordoba retiring

and should be remember for Morosini as well.

[phat]

What an incredible season.... high and low for so many clubs and players. Much change and much returning to normality.:)

Incredible is about the only way to really qualify it.

[talk2smc]

What an incredible season.... high and low for so many clubs and players. Much change and much returning to normality.:)

Incredible is about the only way to really qualify it.

well done to your lot and Conte. i still feel the stadium played suuuch a huge part as well, Buffon said it to. just such a different atmosphere than any other stadiums in Italy.

one of the most peculiar seasons for years that I can remember since the shadows of calciopoli.

[talk2smc]

funny how Stek made that same challenge and it was always red.

also funny how everyone villianized Totti, and lets see how they respond to that vicious elbow from Quagliarella.

nothing but respect tho, for the legend that is ADP and his bandiera trail he left for Juve. not many left, and another leaving Italy. but always world class. every step of the way. i will personally remember him for that bald headed curler for Italy's second v Germany in the WC semi.

[talk2smc]

seems Zeman is the front runner, but that Montella, and Bielsa were on the list. that AVB never was.

Totti will LOVE having Zeman back for sure, he knows Italian football, but not a hugely winning coach. style and 4-3-3 surely. but he was replaced by Capello for a reason : /

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[talk2smc]

not alot of people post here in for Calcio, figured one of the mods can throw a title change in so it reflects 12/13.

Torino back in Serie A is pleasing to me, as well as Sampdoria because I love having the city Derbies. anyone reading about calcio knows the run Pescara made and fully deserve there place as well.


the fixtures are out today, and the last round is an interesting one. Di Laurentis already pointed that out in today's news. :P


for me, the loss of Silva and Ibra will be felt I think for Milan, even if Kaka returns. i think Juve will be as strong as last year, adding some quality players from Udinese, and that stadium advantage is significant in my opinion. Inter may struggle with long trips in Europa perhaps and I hope that Roma can make a run as we are similar to Juve in the respect of not having Euro commitments last year.


and as i havent said anything about yet ANOTHER betting scandal, i have to say, as much as phat wont like it- yes some of the current players werent with Juve then. but IF Conte takes a plea bargain, hes just as good as guilty in my mind. to have the idea that 30 sul campo is true is only a fiction in Juventini's minds. it was an amazing season for Juve, and i respected their acquisitions and undefeated play. it cannot be forgotten. however, in 06, who was implicated heavily. now, who is being implicated. and to have Agnelli and the lot come out and say we support our man Conte, especially IF he plea bargains, how can you directly say- I support a guilty man of knowingly not reporting max fixing, or worse possibly. I would be ashamed if it were me, similar to if I knew my brother or father knew of Paterno not reporting abuse for example, (Penn State case in America) and me knowingly throwing my support behind them.

id gladly return a Scudetto to keep my honor intact, but it appears not everyone in the Juve management feel the same.




to everyone however, a good luck and hopefully fully entertaining year of the calcio we all love :):):)





also should be noted the great contributions and entertainment provided by the players who are no longer in the league. I cant say (tho it may change still as the transfer window is still open) Ive seen so many greats of my generation of watching calcio leave in one offseason.

Grazie sempre a Del Piero, Inzaghi, Zambrotta, Seedorf, Cordoba, Ibrahimovic, Nesta, Di Vaio, Corradi, Juan, im sure im missing someone, but ill add in

[talk2smc]

Conte plea bargain rejected. I praise the FGIC. news following...

sad. how Conte can even hold his head up I dont know. as a club why would you want him as your manager? unless naturally you (agnelli) wants a manager who has a hand in match fixing (conte), which in this case is not particularly surprising in my opinion.

Agnelli's reaction- media blackout. lol.

[Sktrad]

Wait for it … Phat is going to post a funny GIF about Conte …

[phat]

He's not being accused of match fixing. He been accused of not reporting knowing about it.

The FIGC is the scum of the world.

[talk2smc]

He's not being accused of match fixing. He been accused of not reporting knowing about it.

The FIGC is the scum of the world.

correct, the charges are clear. what im saying is plea bargains are basically an admission of guilt. to assume a lesser penalty. Carabbio's story was discounted by the other Siena players, which makes Conte's position stronger, but there are still reports of him knowing of fixes and not reporting.

and the fact that his first plea bargain was rejected. if you were 100% innocent, why plea bargain in the first place? because now you just look guilty by having it rejected and now saying- oh no, im innocent 100%. why did you plea then?

however, agreed the system is flawed by FIGC, in the guilty until proven innocent type system its worked in.


but I still cant understand a club supporting their manager under even allegations of it. i reference Doni's case. had been fixing for years, came out harddddd in the press saying how he NEVER did anything wrong. weeks later, hes confessing and receiving his punishments for the "good of cleaning up the sport"

I hope as a message sent especially after his failed bargain to only receive 3 months (even when claiming innocence) is that hes given the full 15 month ban.

[phat]

correct, the charges are clear. what im saying is plea bargains are basically an admission of guilt. to assume a lesser penalty. Carabbio's story was discounted by the other Siena players, which makes Conte's position stronger, but there are still reports of him knowing of fixes and not reporting.

and the fact that his first plea bargain was rejected. if you were 100% innocent, why plea bargain in the first place? because now you just look guilty by having it rejected and now saying- oh no, im innocent 100%. why did you plea then?

however, agreed the system is flawed by FIGC, in the guilty until proven innocent type system its worked in.


but I still cant understand a club supporting their manager under even allegations of it. i reference Doni's case. had been fixing for years, came out harddddd in the press saying how he NEVER did anything wrong. weeks later, hes confessing and receiving his punishments for the "good of cleaning up the sport"

I hope as a message sent especially after his failed bargain to only receive 3 months (even when claiming innocence) is that hes given the full 15 month ban.


This is not the case. He can't come out of it a winner no matter what the truth is they're going to slap him with a ban. He was trying to get the best deal under the circumstances and take one for the team who are the ones losing out either way even if they're not involved.

Palazzi (scumbag) rejected the plea because it's Juve, now there's no way they have enough evidence to prove he's guilty. Tell me where's the justice when the judge and jury are the same people who have already made a decision without having to actually prove guilt?

[talk2smc]

Many others have been investigated and interviewed and not charged. Buffon? Criscito? a ton of other players not in A.

He cant come out of it a winner because he is guilty of not reporting sporting fraud. theres no way im convinced that "all mighty high moral and ethical" Juve and Conte were 'taking one for the team' which would actually be Siena and not Juve in the first place.

the system is flawed, look at the history of betting scandals, and the game. let alone politics in Italy. Roma had their day too. as have most.

but theres no denying Juve is and always will be at the top of it. and Conte is guilty as proven to me by attempting to plea.

30 sul campo looks even more ridiculous now.

i do not agree that Conte should have to serve a punishment with Juve for something he did via Siena, but how else would you punish him? its not even a real punishment if you ask me as he will still get to train the team.

[phat]

What are you talking about? All this was started by a few scumbags like Carrobbio and Masiello who have lied to try to save their ass by getting a lighter sentence.


Indeed, Conte’s players have given strong defenses. Ferdinando Coppola, goalkeeper for Conte both at Siena and Atalanta, strongly denied the discussion of any fix. “There is nothing true in this, Conte and [Siena President] Mezzaroma are innocent. I remember that tactical reunion, we had just lost to Portogruaro. I remember the emotion of listening to Conte, who exhorted us to win after the loss.” Many Siena players were interviewed by the FIGC, each swearing the team never discussed illegal activities, thus contradicting Carobbio’s statements. Yet for some reason, Palazzi has thus far preferred the word of a criminal over the sworn word of 23 men.


It’s been a similar situation for Leonardo Bonucci. Like Carobbio, chief “witness” Andrea Masiello has been rolling on other targets in exchange for a lighter sentence, among which the Juventus ex-Bari defender. One of the senior officials in Bari’s medical staff has rubbished the fact that Bonucci was involved. “I hear the name of Belmonte, Bonucci, and Pepe, but these men weren’t involved because if it were true, I’d have known. The money after that match was taken by Andrea Masiello, who told me it was money for charity. I know that Bonucci is a good person, if you ask me, his name was dragged into this, even if innocent, because his relationship was poor with Andrea Masiello. The two rarely talked.”

One of the chief issues we must remember here, is that this is a SPORTING JUSTICE trial, not a criminal/civil trial. Thus, there is not the same burden of proof… and not the same person holding it. In traditional Western countries, you are “innocent until proven guilty.” In sporting trials in Italy, it is the individual charged with the crime who has to prove their innocence, which is an awfully difficult thing to do if… you’re charged with knowing of match-fixing but failing to report it!! How does one prove they did not have knowledge?


Today:

Porposed sentence: Bonucci: 3 years and 6 months, Di Vaio: 1 year, Pepe: 1 year.

Palazzi: "We have no time to examine the documents submitted by the defense"

WTF!!!! No time to examine defense!!!!!!!

Another kangaroo court. FUCK ME.

Juventus and any other big team needs to break away from the FIGC and join a super league. The FIGC needs to be dismantled.

[talk2smc]

the problem is the operation of guilty until proven innocent, at least I feel that way, and hence why its understandable people were pushed into pleas. however I still feel its an admission of guilt, nor do i think operating like Palazzi is reveals Conte or anyone else's innocence.

everyone always knew it was going to be a heavy hand after Calciopoli, so anyone engaging fixes on any level would have immediately known that it would mean sever consequences.

look at Lecce- clearly they will appeal, but demoted to Lega Pro. its craziness, but if they were fixing matches what would you have of them? I also state again, its not as if Lecce, Siena, Juve dont have a history in this area...and not a coincidence to me that Conte has managed two of those clubs.

[phat]

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[phat]

Stop talking about 2006 Calciopoli. It's factual that there is no evidence of match fixing in that scandal. The only thing that was proven was that Moggi and Branca and Galiani were talking to referee designators. The only one who did not pay for it was Inter and Branca because that evidence was not submitted. When it was, they benefited from statute of limitations.

This new scandal is completely unrelated to Juventus.

[talk2smc]

i dont see them as the same. i see a club and current coach not willing to accept the consequences for their actions.

im not attacking juve as a club, i simply think Agnelli is ridiculous for supporting Conte who I feel is no different than Preziosi, Muttu, Bonucci, Pepe, at this moment who are all pleaing

the thought that people (be it FIGC or fans of others in general) are targeting Juve is beyond logic. i just think the club feels above everyone, in part because of their winning and medals, and in part because of their philosophy. (30 sul campo perfect ex.)
same way how Roma is always presenting as a big club punching above their weight whoh get penalized by referees. its how we present ourselves.


what you really need now more than anything is a public statement from Conte.

[phat]

Clubs, coaches and players are screwed by this unjust system. Here is a statement from Sampdoria stating they were forced to take a plea ...

“U.C. Sampdoria S.p.a. confirm with great strength and conviction its absolute innocence of accusations levelled in the sporting trial.

“Sampdoria also wish to underline that the procedural strategy of a plea bargain, advised by our lawyers, was a decision we meditated and suffered over.

“The club had wanted to defend itself in the court, fighting every chargelevelled at our player, but the current legal system excessively compresses the possibility of staging a full defence.

“Essentially, we would’ve been penalised automatically for ‘direct responsibility’ and we would not have even been allowed to question the accuser.”

This is nothing more than a witch hunt. Palazzi is doing nothing that goes to the heart of the matter. In fact, he is letting the culprits off with their lies.

Portanova: 'I am innocent'
By Football Italia staff


Bologna player Daniele Portanova testified at the betting trial and strongly denied he was involved in match-fixing.

The player was accused of agreeing to a fix with a betting syndicate, contacted via Andrea and Salvatore Masiello of Bari, then scrapping it after he approached captain Marco Di Vaio and was told there would be no participation.

Instead, Portanova insists he was horrified when approached by Masiello, immediately ended the conversation and warned his Bologna teammates to watch out for any suspicious approaches.

“I have always set the example for everyone, including the younger players. Now I am fighting for my career and my family, all because of something that somebody else said,” noted Portanova in this morning’s defence.

“I believe in justice and I am innocent. Until the truth emerges, I will always fight in every court available to me.

“I have nothing more to add to the testimony already given. That is the pure and simple truth.”
Bologna have already accepted a plea bargain by starting the Serie A season from -2 points.
Portanova is going forward into a full trial, but risks a three-year suspension for sporting fraud.

[talk2smc]

i do believe Palazzi is pressing his own agenda, surely. however I also dont think Conte is innocent. and whereas under italian law, taking a plea bargain isnt an admission of guilt, i feel it is.

thats why i respect Bonucci and Pepe going to a full trial straight out, instead of Conte pleaing, and then after its rejected going to full trial.

however the system does need to be fixed where one or a group of players simply accuses another and we end up here.

[deviant]

I will be sad if that happens to Leo....

[phat]

Ridiculous.

“I think the fact the prosecutor quintupled his requested ban shows how out of proportion this is,” continued the lawyer.

“The truth is in the paperwork, as there are some passages of testimony that are completely contradictory. In five versions Carlo Gervasoni and Filippo Carobbio changed their stories in the detail and every time this happened Carobbio said that Gervasoni was lying. If one says black and the other says white, then someone here is not telling the truth.

“I am convinced the Disciplinary Commission is not targeting Conte, it’s just that Carobbio said things that are contradicted within the paperwork at their disposal. Unfortunately, they have so little time to get to the bottom of things.

“The paperwork says it all. I’d like to point out that against my client there are no intercepted phone calls or a money trail. The only evidence is the testimony of someone who already confessed to sporting fraud.

“I feel evidence has to be fundamental, otherwise we are facing a witch-hunt.”

[talk2smc]

http://www.football-italia.net/22690/cobolli-gigli-conte-plea-bargain-wrong

exactly.

[phat]

Bonucci statement:

“The prosecutor offered us the opportunity to move the charge from sporting fraud to simply failing to alert authorities to a potential fix, but only if there were new facts that he was going to admit to,” explained lawyer Giampietro Bianchi inTuttosport.
“Bonucci hasn’t done anything, so what was he supposed to admit? It’s true there would be some risks of civil court action too, but in any case he would never have ‘confessed’ to anything untrue. It is a moral decision.
“He would’ve evaluated the possibility out of respect for Juve’s interests, but not if it meant admitting to something he never actually did.”
“What are the chances of Bonucci being cleared? Considering the paperwork in the trial, we have the utmost confidence.
“Frankly, I don’t see any other option than for him to be cleared and he is very confident too. The judges paid close attention and I’m convinced they will evaluate the matter with just as much attention.”


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[talk2smc]

right, so why did Conte plea? Bonucci and Pepe imo look fine and should come out clean

[phat]

right, so why did Conte plea? Bonucci and Pepe imo look fine and should come out clean

Lets face it. Nobody is coming out of this without a ban. Conte wanted to be back by December. Wrong or not I assume he was trying to be realistic and come back ASAP. Right now Conte will get 12-24 month ban regardless of the truth.

[talk2smc]

but what if Bonucci and Pepe are found innocent? then how does Conte look?

to be honest, i dont even see if affecting much. he will still be able to train the team. only on field decisions, substitutions etc, and im sure alot of that will be discussed pre match. (ie. if this happens, sub in ____ etc )

[phat]

I'm starting to believe that the FIGC laid out a trap with the plea. Conte fell right into it, subsequently he fired his lawyer. Bonucci and Pepe saw it coming and decided to fight it.

[talk2smc]

I'm starting to believe that the FIGC laid out a trap with the plea. Conte fell right into it, subsequently he fired his lawyer. Bonucci and Pepe saw it coming and decided to fight it.

highly likely and possible, but werent Conte's lawyers, Juve's?

[phat]

highly likely and possible, but werent Conte's lawyers, Juve's?

I think so yes. Some reports are now saying he hasn't fired his lawyer's. Some reports out of Beijing saying he might resign.

[phat]

https://p.twimg.com/AzxrwFHCAAE9NMr.jpg

[talk2smc]

as proven- Bonucci and Pepe's lawyers, amazing job proving their innocence, and Conte and Juve's lawyers horrible in their representation of the club and individual.

[phat]

as proven- Bonucci and Pepe's lawyers, amazing job proving their innocence, and Conte and Juve's lawyers horrible in their representation of the club and individual.

Stefano Palazzi is making an appeal against Pepe and Bonucci. Same time as Conte appeal.

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The new Conte lawyer is Giulia Bongiorno...


She's also a senior MP, president of Parliament's Justice Commission, and was leader of the opposition during Berlusconi's no-confidence vote (he despises her, apparently). In Italy, as it concerns defense attorneys, she's the best of the best.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher

[phat]

http://twitter.com/antoniocorsa

k, I try to translate in english what Bongiorno (Conte's lawyers) just said.
Carobbio is risking to face an accusation for international criminal conspiracy due to the frauds he committed with foreign bettors.
In Turkey they sentenced people up to 13 years for the same accusations. That's why he's trying to turn them to "simple" sportal frauds.
To reach his goal, he has to involve other people, so that's why he's now talking about games fixed by clubs. "They did it, not me".
He needs Conte & Co. to be involved in order to save himself from the accusations of being the one who organized and fixed them games.
That's basically what she said. For a detailed report wait for my article. Sorry for my english, i hope it was ok enought.


If you're asking yourself why they condamned Conte and his staff but not the players Conte spoke to...Palazzi just said he didn't blame the players cause they could have replied him they were taking a pee in that moment, while the staff couldn't, cause they had to pay attention to Conte. We're talking about "this"

While Carrobio is a crook and should be punished for his actions, this only shows how worse Palazzi is by using his office as a position of power to go after bigger fish despite the fact that he is doing nothing to correct the corruption.


Carrobio just keeps digging himself a bigger hole...

While giving testimony he claimed that he was in contact with the foreign bettors until march. Unfortunately for him they have 160 or so phone calls with him and the bettors in the month of April alone.

[talk2smc]

Conte's ban upheld. he looks nothing but guilty in my opinion. but fully agree with Zeman that a banned coach still training a team isnt a ban at all.

[phat]

Conte's ban upheld. he looks nothing but guilty in my opinion. but fully agree with Zeman that a banned coach still training a team isnt a ban at all.

Really?


Juventus protested that Antonio Conte’s 10-month ban was a “witch-hunt,” but one of the judges in the betting trial insists “he was lucky” not to get three years.

The Coach was cleared of one of the two counts of failing to report a potential fix while he was at Siena, but the 10-month ban was confirmed on appeal this morning, prompting a furious response from Juve.

“The Novara-Siena accusation was removed, but the other seemed very serious to us and perhaps should’ve been dealt with differently,” Federal Court member Piero Sandulli told Radio Capital.

“This is why the ban was confirmed. On Novara-Siena it seemed illogical that such a senior and experienced Coach would say in the locker room ‘we’re drawing this one.’

“However, with regards to the Albinoleffe match it’s probable the request for sporting fraud would’ve been more suitable for the issue.

“We can say that he was lucky, especially as he was cleared for one of the two accusations. With sporting fraud he’d have been banned for three years.”

The only evidence against Conte is the testimony of former Siena player Filippo Carobbio, who claimed the Coach had assured his squad the results in those two games were already under lock and key.

The other Siena players who were in the team meetings disputed Carobbio’s version of events, but his testimony was still considered credible enough to inflict the ban.

So he guilty because one guy versus 23.

[talk2smc]

i think he is guilty because he knew of the fixes. and i think he was stupid for putting in a plea. and i think Juve's defense of him and media pr is awful.

[phat]

i think he is guilty because he knew of the fixes. and i think he was stupid for putting in a plea. and i think Juve's defense of him and media pr is awful.

How do you know? Please show me evidence that he knew or how you are so sure he was aware of it.

Personally I think Juve should create a new league. Solicit other teams, work out a TV deal and break away.

[capo]

i think he is guilty because he knew of the fixes. and i think he was stupid for putting in a plea. and i think Juve's defense of him and media pr is awful.
100% agree with you, a person who's not guilty will never come forward with a plea admitting to something he/she never did or was involved in...a punishment that deprives a coach of simply being in a dug out during matches is a fucking joke, a slap on the wrists...Juve's intention of still being associated with such an individual is a public embarrassment and casts an even bigger shadow over Italian football worldwide! Let oblivious Juventus supporter do his thing and stay true to old lady through thick and thin, you won't make him admit anything nor change his mind!

[ghoul]

Wassup everyone! Talk2Smc still talking to himself in here I see :D somethings never change haha :D

[talk2smc]

100% agree with you, a person who's not guilty will never come forward with a plea admitting to something he/she never did or was involved in...a punishment that deprives a coach of simply being in a dug out during matches is a fucking joke, a slap on the wrists...Juve's intention of still being associated with such an individual is a public embarrassment and casts an even bigger shadow over Italian football worldwide! Let oblivious Juventus supporter do his thing and stay true to old lady through thick and thin, you won't make him admit anything nor change his mind!

i agree with much of this. particularly the light it places calcio under. again. and if someone accuses me of something, and im innocent. im not plea-ing. Conte was at a minimum guilty of using Juve's idiot lawyers. and thats only if you believe he wasnt guilty knowing of the fix in the first place.

[Whoah10115]

I think talk's reason for believing Conte is guilty is the clear idiocy necessary for both he and the club's lawyers to plead guilty within a half second of the accusation.



Based on actual evidence, there is absolutely 0 legal basis for the ban. That's not to be disputed. There is none. But the law isn't always how it should be and especially not in Italy.

[phat]

Still on about the plea? Put it this way. The cards are all stacked against you, the system is rigged, theres back talk about a window, a door that will let you out on a small ban versus maybe years... You take it thinking it will be over, next thing you know even the plea is rigged. Keep in mind that legally the plea is not an admission of guilt.

v/RzKJ3bCrGT8&feature=player_embedded#!


Giulia Bongiorno (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giulia_Bongiorno) is a killer. What she says is very clear. It seems to me she is threatening to take it to a constitutional level. I hope its done.


They sentenced him to 10 months for 2 games (5+5). In the appeal they dropped one and kept it to 10 months. Try to make sense of it... It's nothing but absurdity.

[phat]

Salvatore Mastronunzio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_Mastronunzio)

He was under investigation for involvement in 2011–12 Italian football scandal since March 2012.[12] The procurator request to ban him for 4 years and 6 months on 31 May[13] but partially acquitted, thus reduced to 4 years, announced by National Discipline Committee of Italian Football Federation on 18 June 2012.[14] The procurator found Ancona 1–0 AlbinoLeffe on 17 January 2009, as worse as the return leg on 30 May 2009 (AlbinoLeffe 3–4 Ancona, last round of 2008–09 Serie B; Mastronunzio scored once); Ancona 2–2 Mantova on 30 May 2010 (last match of 2009–10 Serie B; Mastronunzio scored a brace) was also fixed. Mastronunzio only acquitted for the first match.



v/ZgeBHT2LQYI&feature=player_embedded


Some of the alleged evidence against Conte was that he benched Mastronunzio to avoid a potential fix he knew of.

Basically in this video Mastronunzio is publicly denying it.

[dennisrobert]

I have a feeling that none of this would have happened had Juve not won their 30th Scudetto this season.

[phat]

I have a feeling that none of this would have happened had Juve not won their 30th Scudetto this season.

Bingo!

[talk2smc]

so ex players all made issues after Juve won. wow, some jeventini are a bit more lost than i thought...

and all this was in motion way before Juve even won.



i have said before the system is broken as well. i just dont believe that Conte is as innocent as he or Juve claim. on top of the fact that I still dont see any of it as a punishment.

[dennisrobert]

and all this was in motion way before Juve even won.


yes and began all the proceedings after juve won. :D

[phat]

so ex players all made issues after Juve won. wow, some jeventini are a bit more lost than i thought...

and all this was in motion way before Juve even won.



i have said before the system is broken as well. i just dont believe that Conte is as innocent as he or Juve claim. on top of the fact that I still dont see any of it as a punishment.

Giulia Bongiorno was very clear on the plea bargain and how/why it happen. This women's credibility is untouchable, so is her morality. Unless you know something I don't... she is most likely the best lawyer in Italy. If you understand Italian and don't have a bias, it's impossible to believe Conte and many others are guilty, at least not based on any substantial evidence available.

[capo]

yes and began all the proceedings after juve won. :D
If that was the case, wouldn't it make more sense to start proceedings before Juve won or at least bring it to public's attention during the season, so as to put club under pressure...

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Don't see the point in this discussion really, I mean phat isn't changing his point of view, but neither will we (talk2smc and I) of course we can continue this back and forth, but none of us was there when alleged match fixing took place, so trying to prove something to each other is just pointless!

[phat]

If that was the case, wouldn't it make more sense to start proceedings before Juve won or at least bring it to public's attention during the season, so as to put club under pressure...

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Don't see the point in this discussion really, I mean phat isn't changing his point of view, but neither will we (talk2smc and I) of course we can continue this back and forth, but none of us was there when alleged match fixing took place, so trying to prove something to each other is just pointless!


So many players and clubs are involved simply because of the word of an accuser who 1. Admitted to fixing matches 2. Was caught lying repeatedly 3. Was offered less of sentence to denounce collaborators, the bigger the better.

Then the accused are guilty until proven innocent, they are offered "pleas" without admission of guilt, yet a proper defense is not possible or allowed and forced into unreasonable and unnecessary time restraints.

Most found guilty even without substantial evidence by a "non-criminal" kangaroo sporting court led by a man on a witch hunt seeking re-election.

Anyone that believes this whole ordeal has an ounce of credibility is not thinking straight.

edit: During the "trial", Filippo Carobbio was being called "Pippo" by the tribunal. Tell me everything is on the up and up...

[Whoah10115]

So many players and clubs are involved simply because of the word of an accuser who 1. Admitted to fixing matches 2. Was caught lying repeatedly 3. Was offered less of sentence to denounce collaborators, the bigger the better.

Then the accused are guilty until proven innocent, they are offered "pleas" without admission of guilt, yet a proper defense is not possible or allowed and forced into unreasonable and unnecessary time restraints.

Most found guilty even without substantial evidence by a "non-criminal" kangaroo sporting court led by a man on a witch hunt seeking re-election.

Anyone that believes this whole ordeal has an ounce of credibility is not thinking straight.

edit: During the "trial", Filippo Carobbio was being called "Pippo" by the tribunal. Tell me everything is on the up and up...




Regardless of whether or not people think the accused are guilty, there is no factual basis for a guilty verdict. And it's pretty scary to see this sort of verdict.

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Englis subs... I wish they included Giulia Bongiorno part.

v/T0Y0CG1Q9cU&feature=g-all-u

[talk2smc]

Juventus were given only four spot-kicks throughout all of the last campaign, but already have two in as many games.


Conte not being there has benefited Juve. :rolleyes:

[phat]

Today's was 100% correct.

[talk2smc]

Today's was 100% correct.

arent they all? i can tell you right now that Juve will have the most spot kicks by the end of the season hands down.

[phat]

http://fbtz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=203080

New thread.