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waleedjuve

10-04-2006, 03:19 AM

That was when we were a little roided out, also, our guys were younger. They look really fatigued.

As for Nedved, his obvious replacement is Olivera, but he hasn't played once this season. He was awesome last year.

i think they are not fit enough, and the hunger is missing, but i remember the juve of the 90's they used to be quicker and more determend.

and lippi made some good players (birrind. ,pessoto and montero) into excellent players.

we have a bitter squad than most of europe big teams but no hunger believe me. i watched man u and arsenal last night and the man u players just want to win they did not stop running.................:confused: .

i felt bad and start to think why we cant do the same now???????

average age of juve is 29 years at least we need to drop it to 27 i think. get rid of thuram and zabina and Maybe emerson (( i know you guys going to be on my back, but i think he destroy the play and dont creat one as he is so slow.....:( unbeliveably slow)) and get a defender (maybe Kompany) and a quick central med. player (i.e. Ballack) i know that could be hard... lots of bling bling:) . and sell zalyata and maybe trez..(standing still until ball come to me)..goal. and get a good running striker that watch for offside calls..like Dirk Kuyt................

lots of guys are blaming ibra.. for the lose but i think he was the only one ( apart from cannav.) that was running all over the place ... did you guys see emerson or giannichedda in the second half against arsenal....:confused:

spinepus

10-04-2006, 03:46 AM

As much as i want Milan to win the title, i can't see Juve dropping that many points realistically. I agree with waleedjuve, i think it is a case of champions league hangover; they'll come good

zaffo

10-04-2006, 06:51 AM

Well I blame Capello on one side and certain players the other.To start with Capello keeps playing Ibrah when all he does is f-up and give aways the ball.

Zebina is still getting games when we all know he isnt going to be there next season so why not give some of our younger players the chance to prove themselves.

Camo well has really lost the plot and looks nothing like the player he was...Emerson and Viera arnt what juve need in the middle one of them has to go simple. Nedved needs to be moved into the middle to lessen the work load placed on him.

Also Capello never changes his formation good example of this was in the CL 2nd leg...Juve needed goals simple so whats he do? Nothing he keeps the same formation and still starts Ibrah.

Also he keeps shafting Del Piero even though he is the only one who is scoring for juve.

I'd be replacing Capello next season with either Vialli or Lippi. Selling all our fringe players and a few bigger names the likes off; Ibrah..either Emerson or Viera..Camo looks like he's gone and Zebina aswell. Thruam is old..Kovac isnt young. Mutu isnt a winger and Zalayeta just isnt given a regular chance.

I'd be looking for a Younger creative centre mid someone like Aimar...a pacey young Left winger...New rightback and Centre back...someone like Bonera, Barzagli, Zaccardo. And a quick striker who can create there own half chances.

Juve need to player a quicker brand of football and maybe have a different sytle for games in the League and CL. Our Attacks are to slow and having 2 holding midfieders who dont get foward doesnt help when you cant attack on the break and support the 2 strikers.

Big changes need to be made next season with a focus on Youth a must.

chertosha

10-04-2006, 07:20 AM

I agree to all the things you are saying about ibra. He just forgot how to strike.
But your ideas about changing everybody is crazy, guys! The squad is ok. It is just that players lost shape. It happens to every player at some point in season. Now Ibra, Viera, Emerson, Camoranesi and Thuram - half the team - lost shape. Same is partly true about Nedved, but he fights as always, that's his nature. That's the reason that he gets so many card.
Bad luck, same thing happened to chelsea.
Zambrotta and Mutu, as well as DP are in good shape now, but that's not enough. Trezegue's job is just to strike. He does that regularly. Now he's injured, unfortunately.
Juve'll recover. In a week or two. The calendar is not too hard. While milan vs inter and milan vs barca must be real battles: both will lose some points, either directly, or because of being tired to death.
The only thing that is amazingly strange to me: why is it that juve show their best play during the last 20 minutes of the match in the last two games, when being so tired?

Vito Corleone

10-04-2006, 11:16 AM

waleedjuve

10-04-2006, 11:50 AM

This same squad played very well only a short time ago, so there can't be anything dramatically wrong with the current players.

Things are probably not going well now because players are fatigued and/or lost their fighting spirits since serie a win looked almost certain and they don't even have cl to target anymore.

They will now get some rest and must start fighting for the title again, so I believe things are going for better.

i agree with half what you say mate, but it is not beacuse "they used to play well' only, it is also due to the fact that juve intimidate all the smaller clubs in seria a , they just have a mental block over them, but in the Cl is diffrenet. juve cant win knock out stages very offen, cause they wait for other teams to make mistakes........., this is not good in CL as most of the teams are very good... but i can guarentee you that if the CL was a league only where you play home and away for the rest of the season (i.e. like seria a or la liga) juve will be top or second every season.................:) :)

zaffo

10-04-2006, 12:32 PM

I dont doubt the squad as a great team as they are but us fans want a CL title its 10 years now since we've won it and for many fans like myself thats too long for a club like Juve.

I still think that players need to be sold our squad is to old and slow which its alright in Serie A but come to the CL the pace is alot quicker and our players cant cope this was exploited against Arsenal and Werder which juve were very very very lucky to beat.

When you look at the starting 11 its a quality 11 but after that theres nothing really we have no attacking options in midfiled which we lacked in the 2nd leg vs Arsenal.

Mutu isnt a winger simple and it shows he needs to play upfront. Ibrah is to greedy and players for himself....If the midfield dont provide anything then Trez isnt effective. Like I said before either Viera or Emerson have to go simple as you cant expect to beat quicker teams playing 2 holding CM's it gives you nothing in attack.

The squad needs to be freshened up bring in some young blood with creative flair and pace.

Capello also has his pets in Emerson, Zebina and Ibrah if he picked players on form which he should be doing then Zebina wouldnt make the bench, Ibrah wouldnt be playing whole games and Emerson and Viera also would be spending more time on the pine as only one should be on the pitch at a time.

Del Piero should be starting...Chiellini and Balzaretti should be playing more given that there young and the future of Juve. Blasi given a chance along with Mutu being played upfront.

Viera was a waste of money we should have been trying to get a creative midfielder, a winger and defenders.

If i was to pick the team i'd be picking the following:

----Del Piero--------Trez----
-----------------------------
Zambrotta-Nedved-Viera-Camo
-----------------------------
Cheillini-Cana-Thruam-Balzaretti
------------------------------
-----------Buffon-------------

Capello in my mind is to single minded and good teams and managers will sus this out.

BicOfBorg

10-04-2006, 04:25 PM

Its a classic case of "lets play bad and get rid of this twat coach" IMO.

What other reason can there be, so much class so little peformance

Treadstone

10-04-2006, 07:52 PM

[QUOTE=zaffo]
If i was to pick the team i'd be picking the following:

----Del Piero--------Trez----
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Zambrotta-Nedved-Viera-Camo
-----------------------------
Cheillini-Cana-Thruam-Balzaretti
------------------------------
-----------Buffon-------------
QUOTE]

Ummm thats not a bad formation. I like the idea of Zambrotta being on the wing (I love how he delivers the ball, with either foot too).

djcash50

10-04-2006, 09:27 PM

If i was to pick the team i'd be picking the following:

----Del Piero--------Trez----
-----------------------------
Zambrotta-Nedved-Viera-Camo
-----------------------------
Cheillini-Cana-Thruam-Balzaretti
------------------------------
-----------Buffon-------------

Capello in my mind is to single minded and good teams and managers will sus this out.

The only change I would make to that would be to put Abbiati in goal. After he came back from his injury, Buffon has looked really afraid in goal and while everyone comments about his great saves, a lot of them are shoots that are almost straight at him (Arsenal-Juve, both legs.)

I keep remembering Abbiati's save of Totti's awesome free kick in Coppa Italia.

Ibrahimovic lost his creativity, speed, and his want. He used to dribbble the crap out of defenders. Now, he doesn't know how to pass the ball. Honestly, if he likes to fool around so much, he should play Mutu's position on the outside, because he can't score a wide open goal if his life depended on it and he could do with a little more space.

Future Formation if i were to choose who would play:

--------------Trezeguet

-----------Del Piero----Mutu

---Zambrotta---Emerson---Marcchioni

Chiellini---Canna---Thuram---Balzaretti

----------------Abbiati

We definetely need someone to replace Thuram. Nedved will probably be gone next year (hopefully). And Ibrahimovic would be warming the Bench until he learns how to play.

nimme

10-04-2006, 09:39 PM

I heard a theory that Zlatan has lost his speed and controll because he gained too much muscles too fast. Well, the problem for Juve is that they can't score anymore, so put Zlatan on a diet and it will all be fine ;)

visnaga

10-04-2006, 11:35 PM

i think the best ideas for juve is:
sell either emerson or veira coz only one is enough and i guess selling veira is better.
buy a fast left wing midfielder as christiano ronaldo or reyes or karimi
buy a better striker as toni or eto or henry
pllllllllaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy with nedved as a playmaker in the center midfield, that is his beat place and he is the best inthis place
play with balzeretti instead of zebina and try to use chillnei more than that
try to play 4 3 3

eraser2224

11-04-2006, 02:29 AM

Nedved will probably be gone next year (hopefully). And Ibrahimovic would be warming the Bench until he learns how to play.

he's been one of the few bright spots recently. best player in the second leg against arsenal (although he did get sent off) and is back in form. i think he has at least one good year left in him.

zaffo

11-04-2006, 04:19 AM

Nedved will probably be gone next year (hopefully).

Are you crazy Nedved is one of the only players who give 110% game in game out. He might have been sent of in CL 2nd Leg but we was the only one who was commited and busted his ass.

Nedved is a LEGEND and any Juve supporter would agree...without Nedved Juve isnt the same...FORZA NEDVED

djcash50

11-04-2006, 06:07 AM

Are you crazy Nedved is one of the only players who give 110% game in game out. He might have been sent of in CL 2nd Leg but we was the only one who was commited and busted his ass.

Nedved is a LEGEND and any Juve supporter would agree...without Nedved Juve isnt the same...FORZA NEDVED

Right, but, he is getting old, and we don't have a replacement that would play his position. Mutu could do it, but he isn't fast enough. That and I feel that his energy should be spent up front, he could give that last push up front to any other striker (trezegol). As for Emerson and Vieira, I pretty neither will leave, but if one had to, I'd send Vieira packing. He is not as nimble as he was at the start of the season (like ibra). I agree with the post I read earlier that we have a bunch of players out of form (Buffon, Ibra, Thuram, Zebina, Camo, Vieira), but we have a few playing much better than at the start (Giannicheda, Mutu, DP).

Now, if only Capello would give OLIVERA a chance!

phat

11-04-2006, 06:08 AM

WOW... where do I start....?

First off, Zambo in the midfield is the one of the most ridiculous things I have heard all season.

Second, starting Abbiatti instead of Buffon???? Jesus Christ are you fucking MAD. Abbiatti is an amazing GK but Buffon is incredible and the #1 in the world.

Third, they don't need a CB, Thuram and/or Kovac are excellent. Zebina needs to take a hike. Then they could start the home grown Turin talent Balzaretti and sub in Chiellini when Zambo is tired/injured. All in all, their defense is untouchable. Balzaretti and Chiellini are young and hungry. Zambo and Canna are world class. Enough said.

Emerson and Viera are the best midfielders in the world. Not to mention pressure players that scored goals in important games. I can't believe that Juve would be stupid enough to sell them. You people forget what Viera and Emerson have done??? Remember Bremen??? The minute Viera started for Juve there was in an increase in lobs straight down the middle to Ibra and Trez that resulted in countless goals. Something we suddenly don't see anymore. Has anyone wondered why? Sometime in February and early march, Juve seemed to have stopped putting hard pressure down the middle and switched over to crosses from the RB and LB. Chiellini, Zambo, Balzaretti and/or the wingers were doing all the feeding. This was right around the Parma and Milan draw, not to mention the loss to Bremen they decided to be less aggressive and changed their goal scoring tactics.

Ibra... heh... He scores 16 goals last year in half a season and this year can't buy a goal and we all know he can afford too. I know that Capello plays him in a supporting striker position to Trezeguet. Understandably... I mean Trezegoal is a pure poacher with 20 Serie A goals and 6 CL goals. I believe Zlatan does not want this role and wants the entire goal scoring glory to himself. Yet Ibra has only 6 Serie A goals and 3 in the CL. Keep this in mind.

Now we get into the attacking midfielder issue. Technically Camo and Nedved are the starters. This leaves Del Piero, Mutu and Oliviera on the bench, not to mention Zalayeta. Issue is that with the exception of Oliviera they are all pure strikers that Capello is trying to convert to wingers. Mutu, Del Piero and Camo have all been fighting for the same playing time all season and I don't think any of them have played a full game all season. Imagine what it does to their confidence. Keep this in mind.

Stats:
------
Mutu has 6 goals in Serie A and 1 in the CL with 0 assists combined. Yet he has 7 goals in 7 starts for Romania where he plays as a striker.

Del Piero has 11 goals in Serie A and 3 in the CL with 0 assists combined.

Camo has 3 goals in Serie A and 0 in the CL with 0 assists combined. In his defense numerous chances he started lead to goals.

Nedved has 4 goals in Serie A and 2 goals in the CL with 4 combined assists.
-----
Between the stats that don't lie and the individual performances from these players the picture is crystal clear:

1. Bench Ibra even if I think he is an incredible player with incredible talent and potential, he has simply not performed and needs to earn his time on the pitch. Mancinni and Ancellotti do not hesitate to bench Gilardino and Adriano even if they are 2 of the best strikers in the world. Look at what SUPER PIPO has done for Milan.

Capello needs to fucking play who ever is HOT and that’s Del Piero for fuck sake. He is Juve's equivalent to Milan's PIPO Papa Gallo but yet barely gets to play full matches or start. Its pure BS. Mutu is hungry and a very good striker why waste him on the bench and/or in the midfield.

He also needs to rotate the bench but without hurting their confidence. This continuous in/out of their attacking mids is only hurting them. Rotate the starters during Serie A as much as possible, but stick to them during the whole game unless something drastic is required. Stop playing musical fucking chairs. Then start whatever line up is most effective in the CL.

2. Debate a 4-3-3 line up or buy a top YOUNG attacking midfielder like C.Ronaldo.

If they chose the 4-3-3. It should look like this;

--------------Trez

-------Del Piero---Mutu

------------Nedved

------Viera---------Emerson

Balzaretti---Canna---Thuram---Zambo

--------------Buffon

3. PLAY A FAST PACE ATTACKING GAME. STOP the fucking defensive tactics in the CL. IT DOESNT FUCKING WORK IN EUROPE. IT MAY IN ITALY BUT NOT IN EUROPE. FUCK!!!

waleedjuve

11-04-2006, 10:38 AM

i think the best ideas for juve is:
sell either emerson or veira coz only one is enough and i guess selling veira is better.

how can you sell veira, come on man the man is good but the formation he playes in is f?@#ed, emerson is good if he is marking the person with the ball but otherwise he is useless.....too slow like i said before...as for ibrah. i think he is just not having a good season getting rid off him will be the worst mistake ever( worse than henry) give him time and get the whole team going forword and will see then,....even in seria a when juve plays they hardly go forward with more than 4 players???:confused: ...they need to learn also how to finish games the old fashion way i.e. when you leading 1-0 dont sit back and kill the game go and score 3 or 4 goals and in that way the attacking mentallity get better......:rolleyes:

what do you guys think !

zaffo

11-04-2006, 12:31 PM

First off, Zambo in the midfield is the one of the most ridiculous things I have heard all season.

remember he was a midfielder to start with and with his ability to put in those great balls why wouldnt you play him on the wing and use either balzaretti or cheillini at LB they are the future of Juve and need to play.

zoom77

11-04-2006, 03:46 PM

how can you sell veira

Veira is at rock bottom right now, he came for the CL with Juve because everyone thought we’re ready for it this year but now that it’s obvious we need to change blood in the team I think he realized that the team’s age average is not in his favorite, in other words no one will carry him. In fact no one can carry anyone in the team right now except for Alex (God bless him) he’s always carrying the team. If he can get over what happened and just play he’ll be a big addition to us but if he can’t get over it we should sell him because what we need is his effort not his name.

waleedjuve

11-04-2006, 04:52 PM

Veira is at rock bottom right now.

are saying he has been bad all year.......?:confused: come on man...what games are you watching, he sit up lots of goals and he scored his share...but what about his partner..you cant tell me that emerson is better than him..the guy is useless cause he is very slow, keep giving free kicks away cause he cant keep up with the pace, we need veira cause he is the only one used to the fast pace game.....:eek:

Vip

11-04-2006, 05:30 PM

It is obvious that Juve's squad is way too old ... and this means losing speed and surprise in attack.

I'd rather see either Del Piero or Mutu upfront with Trezeguet ... Ibra is over rated and has lost all confidence/creativity.

The ideal formation for Juve is 4-2-3-1 ... leaving both Emerson and Vieira as holding mids and use Cama and Mutu on sides and Nedved in the center. Upfront leave Treze alone.

When needed, you bring in Ibra for Treze and DP for either Nedved or Mutu.

As to the other subs like Zalayeta and Olivera, I will be really serious here, they DON'T BELONG at a team like Juve. They NEVER DID. Uruguayan football agents are just so skillful to unload some very mediocre players. They have strength and that's about it ... no skill, no vision, no true finishing.

Give away Zebina, or pay for someone to take him :p ... and LEAVE fokin Buffon on goal. For all that's been said in this thread of him by some, he is class. Arsenal would had won at Turin hadn't Buffon made those high risk saves ... throwing himself to the attackers feet. That is called timing, something most keepers don't have.

And start looking for a good replacement for Thuram. My advice: Lugano, Uruguayan at Sao Paolo. The guy is PURE CLASS.

.

zoom77

11-04-2006, 05:32 PM

are saying he has been bad all year

I never said the "all year" part. And I have been watching Juve's games!

We're talking about right now, in fact not only now but the last 5 or 6 games the performance of the team is dropping dramatically.

By the way, if you want to talk about all year, Emerson played great games at the begining of this season, Fiorentina's first game is an example. And Camo played amazing football at the begining of this season and now he is not playing anything.

Ibrahimovic was amazing last year and the beginging of the season now we have to pay someone to buy him!!!!!!

Something is wrong with the whole team, but my opinion on Veira based on "why he came to Juve" in the first place.

EDITED: by the way Camo's drop in performance right now is the Don's responsibilty because he is the one who kept subing him a lot for no reason, sometimes right after he get in by 10 minutes!!!!! Capello has been messing with Camo untill he brought'em down. And likewise with Ibra, spoiled him where he should be punishing him till he became worthless.

Juverulez

12-04-2006, 12:16 AM

hah, I must tell u that we the Poles have one player who resembles me Zlatan playing for Bianconeri this season. I mean Tottenham's Hotspur forward... GRZEGORZ RASIAK! We just call him as a piece of wood or wooden-like [Capello even moves smoother!]. Big and tall, but in fact .... we all know.
1. Zlatan => Bench [NOW!] Del Piero in [AT THE MOMENT!], than find me anyone who will replace Il Capitano... I can see no player in the world capable of making such gorgeuos career and Juventus history :( Anyway Piturrichio should play now, as he is in form and Capello, who was regarded as a man who doesn't play with stars, should burst into tears after Swede's this season performance.
2. Chiellini and Balzaretti are awesome but they defend wings. What bout Old Lady's [hehe] old sweepers? Bonera? Barzagli?
3. Midfield.... Ghahhhhhhhhhhh! We are playing sloooowwwww because of the bad tactics. Someone mentioned that Capello decided not to focus on the centre od midfield but on wings. Nedved is 34 ... But he will die hard : ) Great performance this season, Camoranesi had some troubles with Don [f#$%@# subs :|] and he have recently lost his awesome form... remember match with Inter? He was GODLIKE! : ) All in all we need someone fresh in midfield [Gerrard?Riquelme?] and try to cross balls not only to Ibra [who should be deliberately on bench]. I would use Milan diamond [modified] with quick passes, and pressure from Emerson and Vieira.

Nedved /Riquelme ?--------Vieira/Gerrard?--------Camor
------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------Emerson---------------------
AD last game with Arsenal... Holy @#$%#@ Defence send 50 balls to Zlatan [half of them missed pass] with only 25 won in air, 10 controlled, 5 of his shots blocked and could anyone really believe that our the less effective striker will make it 2-0 with 2 shots?
.....
Anyway, proud to be Juventini!

joekidd

12-04-2006, 09:14 AM

Ok Guys.. lets first start with the CL exit.

I see that no one here mentioned juve's strategy against arsenal. All juve did was use the long ball from defense to ibrah and hope he would somehow control the ball. With the poor form he is in and the fact that trying this same long ball a couple of hundred times over two legs doenst need einstein to figure out that it won't work. NO one here mentioned that every single time thuram and especially cannavaro got the ball, he lobbet it toward ibrah or trezegol and every time the ball was won by arsenal. If you pay close attention to both games, you will realise that cannavaro has a serious difficulty passing the ball to a midfielder if there is an opponent anywhere remotely close to him. I think he is one of the world's best in getting the ball off other players but i never realised until the games against arsenal that he is very uncomfortable with passing the ball down the middle or a through pass on the ground.

The surprising part is that capello didnt bother to bring up this "putting in the long ball and hoping something good will happen" issue with his players knowing well that arsenal are arguably the world's best team when it comes to simple, short "ground passes". capello just doesnt seem to get this team going in CL. He uses the same mentality when facing CL teams and seria A teams. His league performance has been excellent over 2 years but he cant seem to figure out that CL is a different competition altogether. He really needs to let go of his narrowminded strategies before this team loses hope of ever winning back the champions league.

NOW, lets talk about the team players...
I think everyone here should be reminded what Zambrotta can do for this team and I think that he has been the most consistent, hardest working and effective player in this juve side for a long time now. When was the last time anyone saw him being substituted? He really needs to be played in midfield, either left or right wing. If you remember 2003 CL run up, I think he played right wing and did an excellent job. In Euro 2000, he was one of the best players for italy in his midfield position and one of the reasons for that side going to the final. He can run thru opponents with his speed and quick turns, provide excellent crosses with either foot and take the ball off any opponent. he must come back to a midfield role and emerson must leave. He squanders the ball in simple situations in every major game. He is good at marking other players but he is clearly not the emerson of roma a few years ago. A midfielder needs to create some chances as well, not just run after the ball or mark opponents. When was the last time you remember emerson providing a useful through ball or getting an assist in a big game in a juve jersey?

Viera is a pretty good player and even though he has sucked the last few months, we should realize that he was very effective in the arsenal system of play using precise, short ground passes only. Juve play a completely different style of game and he will probably get used to the system. I personally think juve should have bought a younger player instead of him. Mutu has been the most disappointing player for me this season given what he is potentially capable of. He needs to change his position more than any other player in the squad and maybe playing a supporting role as forward would fit him more.

As for the forwards, Ibrah is capello's b#tch and must be forced to sit on the bench like DP had to during the first few months of the season. DP got his hunger back and worked hard to fight back for his place. the same should be done to ibra as we know from last season that he can be a very useful player. I read one or two people here bashing trezegol. I admit he is not a player who runs and works hard to get the ball but he is the world's best one touch finisher in the world. His efficiency in converting chances given to him is also one of the best in the world as he rarely misses a good chance and puts away those half chances that most other forwards cant.

finally for the defence, I agree with everyone here that balzaretti and chielini need to get more time on the field and juve must let go of thuram and zebina. they are too inconsistent and make too many simple mistakes. balzaretti and chielini playing regularly would also let zambrotta play in midlfield, where he should be playing.

zackyvengeance

12-04-2006, 02:46 PM

this is all becos of capello

next season will be his last

i dont want capello anymore !!

Treadstone

12-04-2006, 07:25 PM

Yo phat I like ur formation too (as long as Ibra is on the bench it works for me) no really, I like it it makes sence.

But u never seen Zambrotta play right or left defensive mifield (the position that Gattuso plays for Milan)? He does really well.

Treadstone

12-04-2006, 07:34 PM

Now, if only Capello would give OLIVERA a chance!

Yo Friend,

I'm sorry Olivera needs go yo. That dude agrivated me too much last year. Watching him is like watching Ibra "Its painful". I don't know if he has gotten better I would not dear to see. You want an Att Midfielder get "JOAQUIN"

Marchioni is not bad either...but Capello is gonna do to him what he is doing to Mutu, "Waste him".

Kempalo

12-04-2006, 07:51 PM

It's ALL about Alessandro Del Piero.

Trust me.

He IS Juve. Without him they are nothing. Nothig.
As we saw the Arsenal-game, it was simply horrible - was DP playing? Do u need to ask...

Its all about #10 and his +F50 Tunit shoes! ;)

matidbr

12-04-2006, 09:11 PM

Clenathan

13-04-2006, 02:07 AM

If Juventus had played good and won against Arsenal, most of this discussion would have never taken place. Yes, they have been playing poorly in recent weeks but it's hard to stay hungry when you've been at the top for so long. Arsenal just wanted it more b/c this was all they could salvage of their season (except 4th place in the Premiership, haha). Let's face it, the Premiership and Serie A are apples and oranges and Juventus just could not adapt b/c they wanted to play their own game but never took control of the situation.
Ibrahimovic needs to learn a different direction other than forward. Trezegoal is great. Del Piero is fantastic just doesn't play enough. Camoranesi is top notch and should play the whole game. Nedved is lost on the wing. Mutu is loaded with talent he can't exhibit. I think Viera and Emerson make a great center midfield but to other's points, they're too slow to attack. Zambrotta, in my opinion, is the best player on the team. Chiellini gives 100%, moves forward great, and will get stronger in the next couple of years. Thuram doesn't need to be that fast b/c he plays angles so well and uses his body superbly.
I think the whole problem rests on Capello's shoulders. Players are in the wrong positions and are not able to do what they have done in the past that has made them great players. The whole situation reminds me of Wanderley Luxemburgo in Madrid - sooooo much talent and not knowing how to coach it.
Thanks for listenin.

djcash50

13-04-2006, 02:32 AM

We got new problems this weekend with Buffon injured and SUPPOSEDLY Abbiati having not taken part in any training today. Our 3rd choice, Landry Bonnefoi who is 22 years old, may be our starting GK on Sunday.

phat

13-04-2006, 05:46 AM

Zambo is one of the best all around footballers in the world and is as much as DP, Canna, Nedved and Buffon the heart and soul of Juve I mean hes ALL HEART and so flexible. I know he could play in the midfiled. BUT hes one of the top defenders in the world and can run up both flanks and cross. This actually make him more of a threat and gives Capello or any coach that starts him (Lippi), the opportunity to play another great winger in the mid. Its simply a much smarter decision to start him in the back. The only other player in the world that "may" match him is Cicinho and Zambo is a much better defender then he his.

I agree that Del Piero is not only the heart of Juve but hes actually on a crazy rip this year. Capello is either genius or insane not really sure when it comes to his hand in DP's performance. Too bad he could not play VS the Gunners, could have made the differrence.

I think that Mutu is a very talented striker. You people need to realize that attacking mid is a new position for him. Not to mention he wants to stand out at Juve but in a good way. He feels he owes something to the club for giving him a chance and turning his carreer around. He is young and I think he will do extremely well in the comming years, he could easily be one of the best in the world. I am sure he will prove himself further in the WC.

The surprising part is that capello didnt bother to bring up this "putting in the long ball and hoping something good will happen" issue with his players knowing well that arsenal are arguably the world's best team when it comes to simple, short "ground passes". capello just doesnt seem to get this team going in CL. He uses the same mentality when facing CL teams and seria A teams. His league performance has been excellent over 2 years but he cant seem to figure out that CL is a different competition altogether. He really needs to let go of his narrowminded strategies before this team loses hope of ever winning back the champions league.

I agree with all the grief towards Capello. CL is a completely different game. He needs to adapt if we want a CL trophy.

Secondly, please don't forger who is No1 in league table with 80 points and only 1 game lost.

If Juventus had played good and won against Arsenal, most of this discussion would have never taken place.

Honestly guys, thats BS. As fans of such a talented Juve, we can't expect anything short of a CL championship. Juve has been having the hardest time winning in europe under Capello. Not to mention that Milan, RM, Barca and others have so many already and keep defending their poor league play with the "CL is our main goal" defense.

We already have 28 scudetto's and hopefully a 29th by the end of this year. Milan is second w/ 17 but has tripple the CL wins.

Next year hopefully with some changes in the mid and some strategic attacking changes we can WIN.

FORZA LA JUVE!!!

waleedjuve

13-04-2006, 07:11 AM

I thought I won't post anything in this thread but since you've left so many 'crap' posts I thought that I have to.

Firstly, stop blaiming each other, first it's Capello's fault then Ibrahimovic's. This all talking won't change anything now. Let's wait when season is over then we could discuss what we did bad and what good.

Secondly, please don't forger who is No1 in league table with 80 points and only 1 game lost.

Then, its obvious that they won't keep good form while whole season. It must came moment when they would feel tired and unproducive. They will get over it.

FJ!

brother i agree with you 100%, we just been outplayed on that day by an inform arsenal.....we going through bad batch and they punched us..good luck to them and hard luck to us lets look forward to seria a and next year,,,,boysssssssss:D :D :D

RELAX;)

waleedjuve

13-04-2006, 07:17 AM

Not to mention that Milan, RM, Barca and others have so many already and keep defending their poor league play with the "CL is our main goal" defense.

FORZA LA JUVE!!!

mate barca only have won once in 1992 against Sampa. 1-0???????? so we won more;) ;) ;) :confused:

KurtAngle

13-04-2006, 08:59 AM

wtf... ud leave imbrahimavic on the bench... u guys are nuts!

:s you guys dont want vieira no more? lol give him back to us

visnaga

13-04-2006, 12:14 PM

look guys
first when i said that we must sell one of emerson or veira i said that not because they are bad nooo they are from the best midfielders in the world but i said that because they both have defensive nature , we want a midfielder who has an attacking nature as nedved and beside him someone like gerrard or lampard who has both nature and behind them either emerson or veira.
Second, Ibrahimovic is from the best strikers in the world and we all know that and he proved it in the last fiorentina game, so i think he mustnot sit on the bench especially now as he is beginning to retain his good form.
Third, Trezeguet , i know some of you wont agree with me , but this is not the kind of striker a big team like juve need, they need someone that searches for the ball and scores goals. If you don't agree with me try to compare him with eto or shevshenko or rooney and you will get it.
Fourth Thuram mustttttttttttttt be changed and anyone could see that in Fiorentina game.
Finally, a speedy midfielder must be bought for counterattacks as christiano Ronaldo( There have been already some negotiations to buy him) or messi or reyes.

Mark the Goalkeeper

14-04-2006, 10:16 AM

im as angry as the next juve fan. I have faith in my team, ask yourself, do you?

deviant

14-04-2006, 10:56 AM

this is just a phaze we're going through Im sure they will snap out of it soon every team goes through this every year even Chelsea and Barcelona have had slumps. I am confident Capello will give them some inspiration and the hunger will return.

KurtAngle

14-04-2006, 12:31 PM

i dont think trezi is worth the juve shirt...

Kempalo

14-04-2006, 05:49 PM

i dont think trezi is worth the juve shirt...

I dont know either.

He doesnt know how to play football, he almost sucks...

...But he knows how to SCORE. Its unbelievable..:confused:

Mark the Goalkeeper

15-04-2006, 10:01 AM

I can't believe how you people bash Juve so much. We are on our way to winning our second scudetto in a row and this is how you treat our players? YOu have to give them credit. Trezeguet has scored 20 goals so far this term, more than anyone else in serie a(forget toni). So no he doesn't suck.

alpi

15-04-2006, 04:36 PM

treze rules. the thing is we need a player like kaka because now we are a very muscular team, but as the season ends the guys are weakening and juve cant keep the pace. and there is nobody there in the midfield to break the rhytm, like kaka or rui costa in his younger days.

Duca di Salaparuta

15-04-2006, 05:02 PM

Juventus-Cagliari 1-1, Cannavaro scored a goal at 95'.

alpi

15-04-2006, 05:38 PM

fighting till we die, the bianconeri DNA :)

Dirtycheat

15-04-2006, 07:33 PM

they are too over-rated.

waleedjuve

16-04-2006, 03:52 AM

they are too over-rated.

who is over rated???

your team did not win anything in the last 3 years (apart from your beloved carling cup)

you dont have a structure to the team!! can you tell me who is you med players???

you cant beat sunderland at home!!!!!!!!!!!!!:confused: :confused:

so is it us or man unt that are over rated...if it was not an english club, no body will be talking about them

phat

16-04-2006, 04:31 AM

they are too over-rated.

This comming from a United supporter...:(

zoom77

16-04-2006, 04:22 PM

who is over rated???

we are, you didn't know that? :)

take it easy my friend, all this was expected. or did you think they will actually say something fair about juve?

As you can see Inter's fan (whom spit and cursed their own team) having a party because of our last game against Cagliari. It says it all!

What's interisting too is that they get encouraged when we (juve's fan) criticize our team. So you actually can seem them coming miles away.

But i'd rather criticize my team when I don't like the performance even though we are number 1, than support a team like Inter and spit on my own players and all my dreams are to be: beating Juve and wait for them to fall so i can speak. Pathetic!

Cagliari's penalty, did you see it? lol

the -WOW-5 minutes? i expected 7 or 8, did those people even saw the game? someone heard it's 5 minutes so he goes "Yuppiiiiii" another chance to attack Juve!!!

Enough of that, Juventus still playing bad and I think Capello should use the bench as a punishment with some players. I also think Nedved is right the team needs a psychiatric because something is wrong.

FORZA LA BELLA SIGNORA
FORZA LA JUVE

Dirtycheat

16-04-2006, 07:00 PM

who is over rated???

your team did not win anything in the last 3 years (apart from your beloved carling cup)

you dont have a structure to the team!! can you tell me who is you med players???

you cant beat sunderland at home!!!!!!!!!!!!!:confused: :confused:

so is it us or man unt that are over rated...if it was not an english club, no body will be talking about them

ok mate no need to take offence to it like that or take it personally. i believe people are more afraid of juventus than they should be because of thier reputationm in the past. man u have had 28 in the last 30 points available so a draw against sunderland wasnt too bad a result.

our c.midfield consited of alan smith \ keane \ o'shea and fletcher. alan smith broke a leg as soon as he started getting better in cm and so did keane, then he left man united. so we couldnt do much but use our current players well because fergie thought it would be imposssible to buy a WC cm in january. We Were ment to be getting Mikel but he didnt come even though we signed him. giggs asnd o'shea are doing great as they are, if you watch our matches closely you would see they are .

we have already had ferdie look at requilme, Diarra and makoun in person so we will have a good midfield, (one that persumeably can handle fabregas)

and the matter about trophies, so what! we should have won the FA cup but lost in penalities in the end but to be honest i support man utd, not their trophies.

people criticised us all season and said we were over-t=rated but that bad run has stopped and we are an in-form team, the best recent form in the premiership. so your point about english\ italian is invalid.

leland07

16-04-2006, 08:04 PM

they have a fairly good defence. the problem lies with the strikers. they really do not have a consistent striker who will score for them everyweek.

KurtAngle

18-04-2006, 02:28 PM

they shud axe trezi gay and get some young guy with loads of pace

Duca di Salaparuta

18-04-2006, 02:51 PM

But Trezeguet is the only who scored goals this year, apart from Del Piero. Rather than David, I'd axe Ibrahimovic. He's graceful in his movements, but he has scored as much goals as Jorgensen [Fiorentina] has... And he costed lots of millions more.

Dirtycheat

18-04-2006, 03:05 PM

i dont think either of em will get the sack to be honest.

PCcrazy

18-04-2006, 10:19 PM

ok mate no need to take offence to it like that or take it personally. i believe people are more afraid of juventus than they should be because of thier reputationm in the past. man u have had 28 in the last 30 points available so a draw against sunderland wasnt too bad a result.

our c.midfield consited of alan smith \ keane \ o'shea and fletcher. alan smith broke a leg as soon as he started getting better in cm and so did keane, then he left man united. so we couldnt do much but use our current players well because fergie thought it would be imposssible to buy a WC cm in january. We Were ment to be getting Mikel but he didnt come even though we signed him. giggs asnd o'shea are doing great as they are, if you watch our matches closely you would see they are .

we have already had ferdie look at requilme, Diarra and makoun in person so we will have a good midfield, (one that persumeably can handle fabregas)

and the matter about trophies, so what! we should have won the FA cup but lost in penalities in the end but to be honest i support man utd, not their trophies.

people criticised us all season and said we were over-t=rated but that bad run has stopped and we are an in-form team, the best recent form in the premiership. so your point about english\ italian is invalid.

In my country the point about english and italian club is valid. Malaysians are very much ignorant bunch of EPL fanboys. To think a club like Newcastle or Blackburn is better than any Serie A or La Liga club pretty much sums it all up honestly.

nytereaver

21-04-2006, 11:21 PM

In my country the point about english and italian club is valid. Malaysians are very much ignorant bunch of EPL fanboys. To think a club like Newcastle or Blackburn is better than any Serie A or La Liga club pretty much sums it all up honestly.

Not sure bout the rest of the world but EPL is huge not only in Malaysia but pretty much all of SEA (south east asia).

I'm from Singapore.

Recently our cable company Starhub axed Serie A from their programming. If we had a greater following I'm sure that wouldn't have happened. Had to come here for me Serie A fix.

Sigh.

(I miss Lippi, he looked like an Italian mafia boss. Liked how he said he was leaving Juve to take some time off football... month later he's taken on the national team.)

nytereaver

21-04-2006, 11:44 PM

i dont think trezi is worth the juve shirt...

Trez is precision ballerina in the box. Ibra is on Joga Bonito on my iPod as well as on the pitch. Both like to stay up front. I remember that year under Lippi where Goldilocks Nedved single handedly carried us through Champions League (The return leg against Real 3-1 comes to mind when he picked up the yellow to miss the finals, he nearly cried i believe). He played behind the strikers.

There's a gaping creative hole behind our strikers me thinks.

djcash50

22-04-2006, 12:50 AM

:mad: 60 Replies and no positive rep for starting this thread!!!:mad:

Back to reality, i think Capello's head will exploded by the end of the season to find caramel covered popcorn inside, IF we lose!

Moggi better pull another miracle out of his hat in the next transfer market and make some of these suckas dissapear!

waleedjuve

22-04-2006, 02:48 AM

Not sure bout the rest of the world but EPL is huge not only in Malaysia but pretty much all of SEA (south east asia).

everywhere in asia, cause of the english speaking!!!!!!!!!!! in the middle east its diff. its seria a:confused:

zaffo

22-04-2006, 02:54 AM

First Capello needs to leave and bring in a coach who is more people friendly and can communicate with all of his players, isnt so single minded and is willing to mix things up like playing style and formation...Capello is a great coah for Serie A but not CL and its shows with all the world class teams he's been at and players he had at those clubs you'd think he would have done better in the CL. I think Vialli, Deshamp, Lippi or Prandelli should be considered for the job. Capello has his love children in Ibrah, Emerson and Zebina its like all these players cant be touched. I'd be droping Ibrah to the bench or even out of the squad and give Zalayeta a go. He has SHOCKING transfer targets...like Pires, Dacourt and C.Zanetti. All are old and not good enough to play for Juve. He has ruined Camo and his Juve Future and not playing ADP enough ahead of Ibrah.

For the old lady to achieve CL success Capello needs to go simple.

zoom77

22-04-2006, 05:04 PM

Disastrous performance from Juventus. The Title is on the table for grab.

Only 3 points!!! How did it come to that? I thought you had to pay someone to do this to Juventus with a squad like that but the amazing Capello did it!!!

The rest of the games in the Calcio are Cup finals now. If this is not the time for the Don to do something then WHEN????????

We have three games left

Siena (out)
Palermo (in Turin)
Reggina (out)

Milan’s 3 games

Livorno (in)
Parma (out)
Roma (in)

Calcio turned into hell

The chance of Milan losing any of their three games is so low.

Unbelievable!

djcash50

22-04-2006, 11:19 PM

Lazio is a good team, so I am not surprised that we tied.

I know we can beat Siena (Juventus Number 2) and Reggina, but I fear il Palermo. I have a strange feeling that we may end up with a tie at the end of the season, that means it would be Milan vs Juventus to settle for the league.

zoom77

23-04-2006, 01:35 AM

I have a strange feeling that we may end up with a tie at the end of the season, that means it would be Milan vs Juventus to settle for the league.

That's what i am afraid of too, if that happened we can forget about the schedutto this year, Milan is more ready and eager to win it than us.

I still can't believe this shit. The last game we won was in March 19th against Livorno and the one right before it was a tie too against milan!

waleedjuve

23-04-2006, 02:48 AM

relax boys........:cool:

have you watched the games, i thought we played very well, for once i saw all the med. working for each other, emerson and viera getting forward to support nedved, ibra had a good game and so did everybody.........:)

every year seria a goes down to the wire (last week or two) so am not supprised, i know we drew to many games but remember we came back from behind in all of them except the roma (where we were leading), the 3 teams we are playing next are dead sticks (they are not playing for anything), except maybe palermo but we will beat them at home.......have faith and we will win, i am predicting i 3-0 juve vs seiana;) ;) :D

narduch

23-04-2006, 07:09 AM

I have faith in the referees. They'll find a way to make Juve win the title. :)

matidbr

23-04-2006, 06:56 PM

If Juventus and Milan end with the same amount of points then Milan win Scudetto.

No Juventus vs Milan again.

zoom77

23-04-2006, 07:46 PM

I don’t think we played well at all!

First, Mutu can’t play as a wing anymore, it’s obvious. About Ibra, ok he played a little better than the usual but still playing for himself and how many chances he missed?

We play on both flanks and crosses and Ibra can’t play that way, he needs the ball on the ground and room to run. Someone mentioned Zalayeta, I think it’s a good idea instead of Ibra.

Abbiati jumbing like an idiot and letting the ball go between his legs, what was that?
Zambrotta is great always but the goal is his mistake, he left one of Lazio’s player (I don’t remember his name) unmarked.

The subs that Capello made in the 2nd half was good and changed the team performance but still Lazio played a much better tactical game up till Dabo got the red card and after that they were concentrating on defense.

By the way, the cancelled goal for Lazio, repeated 10 times and it was obviously offside.

If we win Siena and Palermo we can take the title even if we tie Reggina.

djcash50

24-04-2006, 12:06 AM

If Juventus and Milan end with the same amount of points then Milan win Scudetto.

No Juventus vs Milan again.

In Serie A, if there is a tie, there will be a play off.

leoni11

24-04-2006, 02:11 AM

In Serie A, if there is a tie, there will be a play off.

actuallly.. i think thats exactly what matidbr means.. hence facing milan in playoff will end up in a milan victory :(

..wich i dont necessary believe tho :) .. havent got a clue of the outcome of the series but i just dont believe that there will be a playoff, i think it will be finished off before gettin to that... :o

hereic0me

24-04-2006, 03:42 AM

whatever happens it will all make an exciting end of season for serie a :D

its just left me very scared thou :(

aminoacid

24-04-2006, 07:26 AM

Lazio is a good team, so I am not surprised that we tied.

I just saw the game. Any team can look good and control 80% of the possession if playing 11 against 10.

Anyway , yeah the team has looked like shit even before the Arsenal games. No cohesion or motivation. I think Mutu is sucking on purpose so he can go back to Chelski or anywhere else that will appreciate his 10% effort and coke snorting skills.

I disagree about the statements on Trezegoal. The guy is a magician around the net and he scored another trade mark goal today to save the day. But I do agree that they need more of a playmaking attacking central midfielder - someone who plays exactly where ADP should play.

Transfers i hope can be looked at (kaka- not likely but would love to have him or behrami -always impresses me). Bringing someone from the EPL would be a big mistake so a gerrard or lampard - forget it. We are not pathetic Real and don't need to get big names just to sell a couple more jerseys.

zaffo

24-04-2006, 10:40 AM

my answer is Kapo....who's on loan at Monaco from Us....He is a great creative player but never given a chance just like many before him (Appiah,Blasi etc)

I hope Barzagli come's for next season...to partner Canno....Also our problem is Capello buying old, defensive has been's who's he coached before and knows. He will/has killed us and some of the longer serving players.

matidbr

24-04-2006, 12:57 PM

In Serie A, if there is a tie, there will be a play off.

Believe me, there won't be a play off. I read that on some reliable source. I'll come here with a proof later.

narduch

24-04-2006, 02:16 PM

gunnersfan

24-04-2006, 02:17 PM

where have all these juventus fans been hiding!!?? :p

leoni11

24-04-2006, 09:15 PM

The playoff was removed because the season is ending too late. If there was a play-off, it would conflict with the FIFA mandated date that players must be released for the World Cup.

If there is a tie, I believe head-to-head is used as the first tie-breaker.

oh, my mistake.. may 15th rite? thats the last day of play in the spanish league i heard..

matidbr

24-04-2006, 09:24 PM

matidbr is right.

The playoff was removed because the season is ending too late. If there was a play-off, it would conflict with the FIFA mandated date that players must be released for the World Cup.

If there is a tie, I believe head-to-head is used as the first tie-breaker.

Exactly. While tie at the of the season Milan is winnig Scudetto. I think that's because they were better against us (3-1 and 1-1)

phat

25-04-2006, 02:40 AM

whatever happens it will all make an exciting end of season for serie a :D

its just left me very scared thou :(

In the spirit of the Inter Fan, I believe that the FIGC and Milan have forced Juve NOT to win and keep drawing matches until the very end of the season in order to keep Serie A interesting and TV ratings UP.

ITS A GLOBAL CONSPIRACY AGAINST JUVE!!!! WE MUST FIGHT AGAINST IT TO THE DEATH!

:D

Forzagiallorossi

25-04-2006, 10:43 PM

In the spirit of the Inter Fan, I believe that the FIGC and Milan have forced Juve NOT to win and keep drawing matches until the very end of the season in order to keep Serie A interesting and TV ratings UP.

ITS A GLOBAL CONSPIRACY AGAINST JUVE!!!! WE MUST FIGHT AGAINST IT TO THE DEATH!

:D

While I thought the same thing, I really think it's because Capello has been terrible about rotating the squad efficiently. Everyone is tired, and I think they've lost the fight to win. It's almost like they're apathetic about winning the scudetto, seeing how a few months ago it seemed like it was a lock. We'll just have to see how these next few games play out, Milan has a semi-difficult schedule, and if Juve lose the scudetto I'm pretty sure Capello is gone.

zaffo

26-04-2006, 04:55 AM

Capello should be gone anyway he doesnt fit in at Juve...He had a squad to win the CL and didnt due to his style of play and now has the team performing shite in the league...Ibrah,Emerson and Zebina are Capello love children and plays them no matter what even if its not in the best interest of the team or if there out of form.

If he sells Camo and keeps shafting ADP he wont last long. I want him out now...

Alpha

30-04-2006, 05:50 AM

Wow, sweet thread, lots of good points. I think the problem is goal scoring, Ibra just hasnt produced yet he keeps playing. That just confuses me...

DRice

30-04-2006, 11:55 PM

wow, a win at last. the boys can do it.

2 games. 4 points. forza la signora.

in fact if we win and milan draw at parma next week the title is ours

deviant

03-05-2006, 07:05 AM

the slump was for tv ratings :P

narduch

03-05-2006, 10:58 AM

I wouldn't put too much stock into Juve beating Siena, Juve's unofficial farm team.

Mind you, Juventus finishes the season with two teams with very little to play for.

Roma may still be fighting for a CL spot on the last day, making things difficult for Milan.

It should be interesting.

DRice

07-05-2006, 09:08 PM

whats the thinking now?

Milan are 27/2 now!

http://www.betfair.com/Index.do

matidbr

08-05-2006, 08:16 PM

whats the thinking now?

Milan are 27/2 now!

http://www.betfair.com/Index.do

To early to celebrate, let's just wait one week more. ;)

phat

09-05-2006, 04:41 AM

the slump was for tv ratings :P

Plus this Moggi thing.... It's all a game... Controversy sells.... Milans top dog is Berlusconi, he made his billions in media and controls Italian press. He could pull something like this off with his eyes closed.

Milanista you will need more then this to win a scudetto!

ALL'INTERISTA SAI CHE DICO
IL ROSSONERO NON E' MIO AMICO
COME TE ANCHE TUO CUGINO
STA SUL CAZZO AD OGNI JUVENTINO
CON I SOLDI DEGLI ITALIANI
FA GLI ACQUISTI IL VOSTRO GALLIANI
ALTRO CHE PADRONI DELL'INFERNO
SIETE SERVI DI QUESTO GOVERNO
OH BASTARDO DI UN MILANISTA
SARAI IL PRIMO DELLA LISTA
COME PURE IL GRANATA E VIOLA
TANTI INFAMI MA UNA MERDA SOLA
MILAN MERDA ALE
MILAN MERDA ALE`

Jason

09-05-2006, 04:45 AM

Milanista you will need more then this to win a scudetto!

things an idot would say say for 1000 Alex!

after going back and reading the thread, well skimming it, that may have been a little harsh. I can't tell if you're being facetious or serious, if you're serious, that comment stands, if not, my apologies

phat

09-05-2006, 05:09 AM

I can't tell if you're being facetious or serious, if you're serious, that comment stands, if not, my apologies

Both! :D :p

I'm not trying to insult anyone, simply adding to the stress of the season coming down to the wire.

Remember I always will support Juve blindly and see their opponents and their supporters as Juve enemies.;) :p

Jason

09-05-2006, 03:44 PM

phat

09-05-2006, 05:45 PM

that's a loser's mentality, preparing your excuses for a fall. That's something I've come to expect from Inter fans tho it pains to me to say that, being a large generalization, but it's been holding true, at least on this board. I'm just not used to that attitude from a Juve man and I've gotta say, it's not fitting for a fan of such a great club in my opinion.

What I am is a TRUE JUVE fan. What excuses am I preparing? If anything I am their biggest critic... I expect nothing less then victory against teams like AC Milan and Inter. Number 30 is around the corner and that 3rd star will be fitting the Juve jersey quite nicely.

The only loser will be Milan and their Milanista when they finish the season with ZERO in the CL and ZERO in Italy.

See you in the movies kiddo.

alpi

10-05-2006, 05:41 PM

chill guys, there are serious issues to face now

Jason

10-05-2006, 07:14 PM

The only loser will be Milan and their Milanista when they finish the season with ZERO in the CL and ZERO in Italy.

See you in the movies kiddo.

looking more likely every day

Now I know for a fact that you're a jerk and why your reputation is as it is. It's lucky you support a great club that backs your piss poor attitude for you, or is it? I wish you continued maturity, kiddo.

chill guys, there are serious issues to face now

ehwha? :D

opm1s6

11-05-2006, 06:24 PM

things an idot would say say for 1000 Alex!

you forgot to structure your answer in the form of a question.

you might want to define facetious for him also :p

phat

11-05-2006, 11:55 PM

you forgot to structure your answer in the form of a question.

you might want to define facetious for him also :p

I know exactly what it means.

looking more likely every day

Now I know for a fact that you're a jerk and why your reputation is as it is. It's lucky you support a great club that backs your piss poor attitude for you, or is it? I wish you continued maturity, kiddo.

You started the bashing... I never insulted you. I don't know what your problem is but if you want to argue I can do so all day.

Secondly, I respect AC Milan and follow them second to Juve. To be honest I follow Serie A more then or at least as much as anyone on this board. I have seen practically every Juve and Milan match in Serie A and the CL. I was hoping Milan would beat Barca and for a Juve - Milan CL final. Maybe next year!

At the same time I don't see why there can not be a reasonable amount of competition and intelligent gloating between the supporters of either team on this board.