CA River Plate -- thread of the Millonarios **SPOILERS**

[givemehistory]

MFF River Plate thread v2.0

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River Plate 3 - 1 Instituto
Zapata (14')
Farias (62' - P)
Farias (73')

A win against Instituto is a good way to start off the new River thread, yes? Apparently we were asleep until Instituto equalized at the 40-minute mark, and this was one of our worst matches this season. It's probably just a hangover from the Very Bad Week before, but still, there's really no excuse. However, Farias was able to score a brace to take River joint top of the league (along with the Boca Burgers).

What's exciting is that Buonanotte (MM! where's MM?!) was able to make his first team debut, although I'm not sure how he played (yet). Oh, and there was some kind of ceremony for Norberto Alonso, involving a bright orange ball.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5114/450iy.jpg
Aww, can't wait to see more of the kid.

Next up is an away match against El Nacional in the Copa Libertadores, where River must get their act together.

Vamos River! :)

[cavenaghi]

Well done! You re-created the Millonario's thread before the Bostero's :p
After our superb previous week :D , looks like we're back to play football (at least a little bit). Could be usefull as we're now in the money time!

I have a little question: does someone know where is Gaston Fernandez? Injured? in another country...? :confused:

[givemehistory]

La Gata was sold to a Mexican team. I forget which one, but apparently he did well at least in the beginning of the season. Haven't really caught up with his news, though. :/

Yeah, I just wish Passarella would stop using the second-string team in the Copa Libertadores matches, because that could lead to some bad results. Oh well, El Nacional is tomorrow; vamos River! :)

[cavenaghi]

La Gata was sold to a Mexican team.
Damn, really liked this player.
I think River should sell players only to european clubs instead of reinforcing continental teams. And if europeans don't want our players, it would allow us to avoid changing half of the team each semester.
...But we can sell Lux to any mexican club ;) . Btw, stange evolution: he was almost a top-model and now he looks like a homeless :confused: Maybe to look like some other River players....(won't give any name :D ).

[mosesmalone]

I think River should sell players only to european clubs instead of reinforcing continental teams. And if europeans don't want our players, it would allow us to avoid changing half of the team each semester.

Problem is, the players River do want to unload aren't capable of playing for a European team, so the club ends up having to loan them out in Mexico or South America. And if River keep the players, then, well, we're stuck with the Pepe Sand's of the world. :rolleyes:

La Gata went to Monterrey in what was part of the whole Villarreal - River - Monterrey triangle, with Fernandez, Franco, and Figueroa. He's only on loan, though - Monterrey have the option to buy him for about $2.5m.

Sadly, gmh, it looks like Passarella will send out another poor squad for the game against El Nacional. We'll hope for the best.

[cavenaghi]

Problem is, the players River do want to unload aren't capable of playing for a European team, so the club ends up having to loan them out in Mexico or South America.
So, Gaston isn't good enough for Europe? I admitt on the physical aspect, he's a bit light... :o
La Gata went to MonterreyI'm sorry I call him only Gaston, I can't get used to this nickname. I mean, am I missing something about his sexuality or what? I've always wonder who found such a nickname? :confused:
Sadly, gmh, it looks like Passarella will send out another poor squad for the game against El Nacional. We'll hope for the best.
Yeah...mmm..... maybe we'll have to wait next year for a new Libertadores in our museum :(

[givemehistory]

Sadly, gmh, it looks like Passarella will send out another poor squad for the game against El Nacional. We'll hope for the best.

Yeah, I guess Passarella considers the Clausura more important. Either that, or he's happy to underestimate the other S.A. teams. sigh.

MM, where've you been? :cool:

[mosesmalone]

So, Gaston isn't good enough for Europe? I admitt on the physical aspect, he's a bit light... :o

Don't you think he would already be in Europe if he was good enough? I don't even think it's his build that's holding im back - it's his game. He has the technical ability to be a good player, but he just doesn't score goals. He had seven with Racing, five last season with River, and only one thus far with Monterrey. I know you can argue that he's not a natural, or prototypical, striker, but neither are Higuain and Montengro, and they both have four goals. Farias isn't a natural anything and has ten! :eek:

MM, where've you been? :cool:

Here and accounted for! I missed the roll call?

[cavenaghi]

Don't you think he would already be in Europe if he was good enough?
You know, I was kidding :D . He's not a great player but I like to watch him play and what is frustrating is not seeing him play in Argentina, don't care in which club. He's a good player for the Primera.
But to be in europe or not isn't a real criterion to judge if you're good or not. Argentinians are now like brasilians: europeans think they have certain "natural qualities" and they are less expensive than the local players. That's why they are so many now in Europe. But as the number increases, the quality decreases. And there many very average argentinian players in europe now. And if you consider Equi Gonzalez: he wasn't better than Gaston (especially during his season with Boca), but he became a star in Greece with Pana. Mati Lequi was very average and he still is, but in Europe. Cavenaghi was a star and what is he now? (special case though: he was kidnapped :D ). Or D'ales playing for Portsmouth? Or why Gallardo came back? He wasn't good enough for Europe? I don't think so. Remember, even Palermo has played in Europe: you understand now that it has nothing to do with talent :D .
I agree that Gaston isn't a top player but who knows what he could do in Europe? Depends on which country, which team he would go. But what is sure is that there are argentinian players clearily worse than him who are playing in Europe right now.

[givemehistory]

FT: El Nacional 2 - 0 River Plate

I tuned in late (I started watching right before Lux botched that PK), and we were playing so horribly that at first I thought we'd had two players sent off or something. But no, it was just abysmal playing.

Has River played in a 3-5-2 under Passarella before? I honestly don't think so, and it shows. There were holes everywhere tonight; Alvarez and Toja didn't seem to cover the wings -- but then again, it didn't seem like they pushed forward either, so I don't know what exactly they were doing on the pitch.

Putting Jairo on the pitch in Ecuador is like providing the viewers with free entertainment. I suppose we can't blame the loss on him, but it was still pretty funny to see him laboring for breath after half an hour. :o

Eh, at least Paulista lost as well, so if River takes care of Libertad at home, they should go through, right? I have no idea what the point standings are, eh. :cool:

This match made me want to kill myself. *suffers*

[brain26]

Denace made a visit today and we watched the game. If you get a chance, you might want to visit him

[Nelly]

Eh, at least Paulista lost as well, so if River takes care of Libertad at home, they should go through, right? I have no idea what the point standings are, eh. :cool:
Here (http://www.soccerway.com/international/world/copa-libertadores/2006/group-stage/8) ye go.

Not looking too rosy for River in the Libertadores.At least their destiny is in their own hands.Beat Libertad and they are through regardless.......Libertad are unbeaten so far and,being Paraguayan,will not want to lose in BA.

[cavenaghi]

Denace made a visit today and we watched the game. If you get a chance, you might want to visit him
Damn, I knew I shouldn't had this altercation with him few weeks ago. Since then I haven't seen him, only some of his friends but recently it became also more difficult to see them. Was he there for sunday's match and monday's show? And will he come next week-end? I would be glad to meet him again. Thanks Captain. You know I'm always very excited to come to your house :D

[givemehistory]

FT: San Lorenzo 0 - 0 River Plate

Nothing much to say; the awful away form continues, and Boca could take the lead if they win against Arsenal de Sarandi later. However, they have a more difficult run up to the end of the season that we do -- they still have to play Independiente.

Great performance by Lux.

Now the team needs to focus on Libertad.

[west501]

man, they don't deserve to win first place after playing the way they have as of late
but then again, neither do boca under any circumstances :rolleyes:

[mosesmalone]

River 1 - 0 Libertad
82' - Zapata

Passarella again fielded a rather weak squad which produced a terrible game, but Zapata notched the winner late in the match.

River's next opponent is dependent upon the winner of the Chivas and Cienciano game currently in progress. If Chivas win, Guadalajara it is. If they don't, Corinthians will be the opponent. I'm watching the game now, so updates in a bit.

EDIT: 0-0 tie in the game, so Corinthians it is.

[west501]

that'll be great if we get revenge on corinthians!

[givemehistory]

Oh shit, and this time Masche will be healthy enough to play. Nerve-wracking stuff, but of course I'll be hoping for revenge. :)

Sunday we're at home to Argentinos, right? I hope Velez rip Boca a new one.

[west501]

I loved the whole river-boca thing with tevez last time
added a good bit of intensity to the tie
we totally deserved to go through..though they scored that cheap last minute goal on the corner and went through on away goals
I think that was also the game that farias rounded the keeper with infinite class and somehow missed
things won't be the same this time

[givemehistory]

I think that was also the game that farias rounded the keeper with infinite class and somehow missed

I couldn't forgive him for that. Part of me still can't, haha.

[chauchey]

How unfortunate. I was hopeing to have two teams to cheer for for at least another round or two :o . Looks like i'll have to make due with 2 weeks worth ;)

[givemehistory]

FT: River Plate 2 - 2 Argentinos Juniors
Jairo (47')
Rivarola (60')
Gallardo (80')
Pareja (90+')

Although River didn't exactly play sparkling football, I also don't think that's a deserved scoreline. But there does seem to be a problem, that these changing formations don't quite gel together. The first half was a drag; Rolfi tried to take on too much by himself, I thought (4 shots in 13 minutes? uhh), and it backfired a bit. Patino and Fernandez weren't useful enough on the wing. I enjoyed watching Lima, though, and I'm not sure why he was subbed off instead of San Martin (who eventually had to hobble off for Ahumada anyway).

Second half was a bit better, although the defense looked shakier, more liable to get caught on the fast break and stuff like that. I mean, Rivarola already "scored" once before; you'd think the defense would be more alert to his danger the second time around. Patino started being wasteful with the ball, and Rolfi and Farias really should have put the game away even before Gallardo's entrance. His goal, by the way, was a real beauty. He could have put River two goals ahead, too, but shit happens. (Unfortunately, too much shit happened in this match for my satisfaction.)

You know, Pareja's goal reminded me eerily of John Arne Riise's against Chelsea yesterday. It was practically a mirror image, down to the curve of his free kick and the placement of the wall and everything. Anyway, my pessimistic self pretty much anticipated that they'd score from that free kick from the moment the ref blew the whistle. (Speaking of the ref, what a wanker.)

Not a good start to the week, especially with Corinthians looming up ahead. Still, if Passarella puts out an appropriately strong lineup, I think we can get a result.

[mosesmalone]

EDIT: Argh, a minute late.

Another present for Boca. Ugh.

[givemehistory]

Wahahaha. Great minds, etc. etc. :D

[mosesmalone]

River 3 - 2 Corinthians
15' - Tevez
26' - Farias
31' - Ferrari
81' - Santana
90' - Xavier

Another game, another goal conceded in stoppage time. Ugh.

It was a very active game and River played well for the most part. Gallardo was feeling frisky and moved River up the field with ease. Talamonti, who performed surprisingly well, was sent off deep into the game, however, perhaps the catalyst for Corinthians' late finish.

On the positive side, though, a draw will still do wonders for River up north, but the team cannot keep commiting silly fouls near the box in stoppage time. :mad:

[west501]

man, we had it wrapped up with the 3-1
I knew they were gonna score a cheap goal right at the end
it's alright..all we need is a tie to eliminate them
can't wait :cool:

[givemehistory]

Masche got sent off (cue mixed feelings!), too, which may affect Corinthians' defensive performance in the second leg. Still, at least the team performed well.

Now, to finally snap that unlucky away streak? I have to admit, I'm a tad bit worried, since they have two away goals. :o

[mosesmalone]

Gimnasia 3 - 3 River
15' - Cardetti
22' - Higuain
53' - Sambueza
58' - Cornejo
81' - Neuman
90' - Vargas

So that's three games in a row with a goal conceded in stoppage time? Anyway, the team played ok considering it was a relatively inexperienced bunch out there for most of the game - Domingo, Fernandez, Lima, Sambueza, Higuain, Oberman, and Nueman towards the end. It's just difficult to swallow another game where points were thrown out the window.

Just think, if River combined to play about five more minutes of football, they'd be sitting in first place. Instead, Boca are looking comfortable with two games to go. Incredible.

[givemehistory]

Ah, shit. These last minute conceded goals are really killing us. :mad:

[malicia]

Ah, shit. These last minute conceded goals are really killing us. :mad:

It's becoming a trend.
Whadda people think? Fitness? Concentration? Or a leadership problem?
It certainly shouldn't be due to overconfidence.

[givemehistory]

Concentration, probably. And the fact that Passarella continues to fuck with the lineups, especially the defense, which was just starting to look good again. (To be fair, though, I think Tula's injury didn't help much. He and Caceres were a pretty good team.)

[west501]

given that the clausura is pretty much out of the picture, thursday's return leg in sao paulo is the biggest game of the season
we just gotta keep the ball and score a goal to really complicate things for them
it's ours to lose really
how great would it be if we got the last minute goal this time around? though I gotta admit I'd prefer a first minute goal any day of the week

[saurabh]

River will win. :)

[mosesmalone]

Corinthians (3) 1 - 3 (6) River
39' - Nilmar
57' - Coehlo (OG)
72' - Higuain
82' - Higuain

Nilmar opened the scoring after heading home a free kick, although the effort from Lux was seriously suspect. Despite the goal, River played well in the first half, but it took an own goal from Corinthians to really put the spark back into the team's game. Gallardo, standing near the corner flag, received a rebound from his original kick and sent it back into the box where Coehlo met the ball - quite well I might add. Corinthians pressured to take the tie back, but River sent a long ball down the field which was poorly cleared and headed right into Gallardo's path. Gallardo knocked the ball to his right, and Higuain, who had just entered for Aban, powered home a side-footed shot to the far post. Corinthians again tried to put their best foot forward, but Higuain was able clean up the pieces from a River corner and secure the fixture once and for all.

After the last goal the fans went nuts and started jumping out of the stands, breaching a gate in the process. Several made it onto the field, but the police eventually threw some gas into the area as their were simply too many fans for them to contain. The game was called off at that point, but unforunately a number of spectators looked to be carried away injured.

[brain26]

The fans went CRAZYYYYY was so funny to watch

[west501]

vamos todavía
we advanced on an own goal
poetic justice!..revenge? done and done
beautiful
and then we scored two more and their fans effectively eliminated boca2 from contention next year
that was ugly but it won't keep me from partying

[givemehistory]

FUCKING YES.

(sad about the fans going nuts, but shit, it's the copa libertadores, you can't expect much better from South American crowds.)

Libertad is next, right? Maybe finally River will twat them. Allow me to be female for a second. Higuain = woobie. Okay, I'm done.

:D :D :D

[chauchey]

are there any highlights that i can download someplace. i havent had much luck around the web other than articles, and i was wondering if you guys(some of whom speak spanish) could link me to a highlight clip. thanks guys :o

[givemehistory]

The offical River website has links to YouTube now, which I find hilarious.

goles (http://youtube.com/watch?v=AV4Fx_d_vio)

[akd]

Vamos la acadeee!! Racing 2 River 0 :D

[west501]

I dunno about you guys, but I want him back (http://www.clarin.com/diario/2006/05/08/um/m-01192091.htm)...I always did
though I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be allowed to compete in the libertadores, being as he'd already done so for newell's?

[chauchey]

Links to Corinthians/River fanriot
(http://youtube.com/watch?v=2mFzV5iL8NU&search=corinthians%20river%20brasil%20argentina%20 futbol%20football%20copa%20libertadores)here it is guys. :(

[Vip]

I dunno about you guys, but I want him back (http://www.clarin.com/diario/2006/05/08/um/m-01192091.htm)...I always did
though I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be allowed to compete in the libertadores, being as he'd already done so for newell's?

Unfortunately you couldn't.

Today I heard on La Red that Ortega would want to return but River would never pay the US$4 million.

Also ... La Red reported a rumour that River could be interested in Castroman. Castroman just got to a point of no return with Velez and won't even take part with the team in Mexico against Chivas. The main problem is that Velez will ask for a pretty steep amount. But Castroman has easily a future in Europe, so maybe the #s work for some of those "privete investors" that surround River. If not, Velez will probably unload him outside Argentina.


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[west501]

when there's a will there's a way ;)
thing is the will has been there all along..now let's make with the way
seriously guys

[mosesmalone]

River 2 - 2 Libertad
39' - Bonet
77' - Montenegro
78' - Bonet
82' - Farias

Bonet hit two spectacular volleys - one off of the crossbar and over Lux's outstretched arms, and another perfectly lofted into the far corner - to give Libertad an advantage heading back to Asuncion next century, but the story of the evening was River's failure to capitilize on opportunities. The team hit the woodwork three times and failed to get a slew of other chances into the net. One goal was taken away when the linesman waived Farias for offsides on a Dominguez throw-in (which obviously cannot be, as there is no offsides on a throw), sending Passarella, Gallardo, and the entire Monumental into a tizzy.

River will have time to prepare for the return leg, but must find a way to finish its chances, while at the same time stopping Libertad's - hopefully without Talamonti corrupting the defense. River had thirty shots in this game, but only two goals to show for them.

[givemehistory]

Oh man, my Livescore was going crazy at the end with that flurry of goals.

I can't believe the linesman would be so incompetent as to flag for offsides on A THROW-IN. There wasn't anything else that could have preempted the call? Either way, AUGH. Well, at least we didn't lose. I hope River plays as well in Paraguay as they did in Brazil. :o

[malicia]

Well, at least we didn't lose.

It's been a long time since I yelled at the TV so much.
That counts as a loss...how could you have so many shots and not finish?
And the defense falling asleep like that :mad:

Yeah, that call. Absurd. Offside on a thow-in doesn't exist obviously. FSE played it over and over and kept saying "there must have been something" but no one could see it. :mad:

[Vip]

It was a complete fok up from the linesman. But the fair thing to say is that the linesman screwed the attack, not a goal, where Farias was a couple mts ahead of the closest defender, yet next to the sideline. Pitagoras anyone?

The ref blew the whistle way before Farias attempted to score. Sarabia and Bobadilla didn't play on after the whistle. After a whistle there is no goal.

And River's 2nd was offside. Despite what Niembro wants the audience to belief ... good that Closs disagreed emphatically.

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6954/offsidefarias3yr.png

River dominated the game and could had scored more. A save on Farias from a short distance header saved by Bobadilla ... and 2 of the woodwork were great attempts from Ferrari (crossbar) and Farias. The other 2 from Santana and Ferrari had no chances of getting in and are called woodwork by definition.

But Libertad wasted their 2 most clear chances in the 1st and last minutes of the 1st half. Easier shots than the 2 goals. Wide open shot chances, with time and no defense. The first went wide and the 2nd was well saved by Lux, despite the poor shot.

The tie is wide open guys. Libertad showed defensive order but little ball control. They are a tough team to break ... but they are no Olimpia.


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[west501]

this is the first time we aren't sending anyone to the world cup :(
lux deserved a spot over pato :mad:
the way gallardo was playing last year merited a callup, but this year has been dismal by comparison
but hey, at least we got a number of former river players on there: ayala, sorín, cambiasso, saviola, mascherano, crespo, aimar, cruz, and lucho gonzales
that's nearly half the squad and 4 more than boca :D

[mosesmalone]

Libertad 3 - 1 River
17' - Lopez
41' - Aquino
47' - Riveros
77' - Farias

I'd use the word pathetic to describe this performance, but that would probably be too generous.

Fans + Aguilar + Players = Useless.

[west501]

it was going to be hard for us to win it having lost so many players in the break between ties
I think we sealed our fate in the monumental so many months ago now
we should never have gone into this needing any more than a tie..and we paid the ultimate price for that

[givemehistory]

Hey kids ... fan violence is never cool. :cool:

Hey MM. I'd say it's nice to be back, except it really isn't in these circumstances. I'm bitter and pissed. Bitter about Bobadilla and pissed at the fans. Ach, anybody else cracking up at the fact that one of the greatest central defenders in Argentine history cannot cobble together a stable backline? What happened to Caceres between January and now? Why did we sell Tula? I hate River's transfer policy so much. :mad:

Oh well, bring on the Apertura. Oh, in case anyone was interested, a list of all the current transfers:

INCOMING
Fernando Belluschi
Federico Lussenhoff
Cristian Nasuti
Ariel Ortega
Matías Oyola
Patricio Toranzo
Eduardo Tuzzio

OUTGOING
Darío Conca
Fernando Crosa
Daniel Montenegro
Gustavo Oberman
Juan Carlos Olave
Ricardo Rojas
Jonathan Santana
Andrés San Martín
Cristian Tula

Sad to see Rolfi and Santana go. We could have used them yesterday, that's for sure.

Speaking of players gone missing, please tell me that I wasn't the only one who predicted that Muñeco would somehow get himself sent off. :rolleyes:

[mosesmalone]

Welcome back, gmh!

Thanks for the transfer updates. I was going to post a squad list, but you seem to have covered everything. Ahumada looks like he'll be out for around a month and Passarella has asked for a replacement, but the chances of that are limited. Lima and Domingo should be able to do the job, however.

I'm really concerned about the defense, though. The return of Tuzzio and Nasuti was promising, but Passarella is going to revert to a four-man backline now that Libertadores is over, which means we'll probably see Ferrari, Caceres, Tuzzio, and Dominguez. Yikes.

And yes, the loss of Rolfi really stings. I think we all knew that Santana was going to go at some point, but the management had been saying that they planned to get Rolfi's situation resolved. Instead they go out and blow the budget on Belluschi. Great. :rolleyes:

[lamashtu]

Sad news from all quarters. The performance hardly merits comment: its one thing to have a half-baked squad in the midst of transfer activity, and another to have a defense that kept threatening to self-destruct throughout the game.

The worst of it is having to see Rolfi go -- I have really grown to like him a lot. Any of you can tell us what is up with Sambueza, Falcao and Lucho Figueroa ?

[givemehistory]

Falcao and Figueroa are still in recovery, right? I feel like they've been gone for such a long time that we should see them make their comebacks in the Apertura.

As for transfers, I was a bit ambivalent about Tuzzio coming back, because I wasn't sure whether he and Caceres would be a good combination or not. Tuzzio was to blame for Libertad's first goal (watch the player, not the ball, man), but I think maybe the 3-5-2 (esque) formation was more to blame. I wonder why Passarella didn't change it after halftime, to defend more along the wings. That, and crossfield passes, were where they hit us the hardest, and I was really frustrated that Passarella didn't seem to do anything to try and fix that.

[mosesmalone]

Caceres is leaving to join Monterrey, so get excited about watching Gerlo and Tuzzio together.

The good news is that this opens up a foreign spot for a new #2 or #5. That bad news is that we know neither one of those will come.

[givemehistory]

get excited about watching Gerlo and Tuzzio together.


*claws eyes out*

I dunno, I guess they could form a good partnership, but I enjoy being skeptical about everything River does in the transfer season.

[cavenaghi]

I hate River's transfer policy so much. :mad:
Same old shit every six months :mad:
Even Bellu's coming won't make me happier. Rolfi and Santana.... *sigh*


OUTGOING
Darío Conca
Fernando Crosa
Daniel Montenegro
Gustavo Oberman
Juan Carlos Olave
Ricardo Rojas
Jonathan Santana
Andrés San Martín
Cristian Tula

Do you have their destinations?

[Vip]

There is a renewed possibility for Caceres to make a U-turn and land at River once again.

Also, Pasarella is renewing until 2009, Ortega should sign tomorrow, and Gallardo is about to finally close his deal with River.



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[west501]

we made great signings and I have the feeling this is going to be our year
we need a solid core team that's supplemented by our constant supply of young talent
what we have now is no real core and a team that is based on young talent..which puts too much pressure on most of them
I don't think guys like maxi lopez, lucho, or even mascherano could have succeeded with what we had last year
in the late 90s we started basing our core around young talent and we were very successful cos that young talent included the likes of saviola, aimar, cavenaghi, d'alessandro, etc
we haven't been that lucky and the recent seasons have broken our chain of success
hopefully we'll regain that immediately..come on man..the young ones are all going for boca..this is an embarrassment :rolleyes:

[cavenaghi]

I have the feeling this is going to be our year
I had the feeling the last clausura was going to be ours already. If we had won the game against Boca like we should had, the title was ours. We had the team to win it but obviously we haven't been able to manage 2 competitions at the same time. And as a result another empty year.
How can we create a core if we change half of the team each semester?
As a River fan I'm always confident but we won't get far by following this kind of policy.

[mosesmalone]

in the late 90s we started basing our core around young talent and we were very successful cos that young talent included the likes of saviola, aimar, cavenaghi, d'alessandro, etc
we haven't been that lucky and the recent seasons have broken our chain of success

There is still plenty of talent. Merlo wasted a few months because he insisted on not playing the younsters (and not bringing back Ferreyra - yes, I am still upset about this), but nonetheless, the cabinet is still stocked.

Higuain was basically forced into playing a new position and it's been a success - as a result, Athletic have been tracking him. Falcao will return shortly, Lima and Domingo should be capable of playing as the #5 until Ahumada returns, and San Roman could see a few games by the end of the calendar year. Also, with some good fortune, Buonanotte and Gamarra will be teasing defenses by this time next season.

Barrado - Colon
Conca - Central
Crosa - Quilmes
Montenegro - Independiente
Olave - Gimnasia (LP)
Rojas - Belgrano
Santana - Wolfsburg
San Martin - Tenerife
Sand - Colon
Tula - San Lorenzo

[givemehistory]

Since MM has so kindly rounded up the transfer/future prospects (is that a hint of optimism I detect? :D), here's the Apertura schedule for River:

6 Aug 2006 (A) Lanús
13 Aug 2006 (H) Newell's
20 Aug 2006 (A) Racing
27 Aug 2006 (H) Argentinos
3 Sept 2006 (A) Arsenal
10 Sept 2006 (H) Quilmes
17 Sept 2006 (A) Gimnasia Jujuy
24 Sept 2006 (H) Colón de Santa Fe
1 Oct 2006 (A) Belgrano
8 Oct 2006 (H) Boca Juniors
15 Oct 2006 (A) Banfield
22 Oct 2006 (H) Rosario Central
29 Oct 2006 (A) Independiente
5 Nov 2006 (H) San Lorenzo
12 Nov 2006 (A) Estudiantes
19 Nov 2006 (H) Gimnasia La Plata
26 Nov 2006 (A) Godoy Cruz
3 Dec 2006 (H) Nueva Chicago
10 Dec 2006 (A) Vélez

Full tournament schedule here. (http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news/story?id=462385)

[cavenaghi]

Barrado - Colon
Conca - Central
Crosa - Quilmes
Montenegro - Independiente
Olave - Gimnasia (LP)
Rojas - Belgrano
Santana - Wolfsburg
San Martin - Tenerife
Sand - Colon
Tula - San Lorenzo
Thanks! ...even if it hurts ;)

[Vip]

Genova has offered 5 mil for Figueroa, and the player might be in his way there. Since he arrived to his present club, River, he hasn't been paid at all, according to his statements on La Red. A rep from River has travelled to Italy to finalize the transaction ... Figueroa's agent, his dad, is informed of all.

River bought 50% of the transfer from Villarreal for 2.2 mil ... and only the first of several payments were ever paid. Figueroa broke his cruxiate ligaments soon after arriving and is still in recovery.

Genova is a Serie B team of Italy's Calcio.


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[west501]

for all those of you who didn't have a chance to live the magic: enzo francescoli retrospective (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2009587273820980170&q=francescoli)
this brings a tear to my eye..he was one of those special players for sure
zizou's idol growing up..zidane even named one of his sons enzo

[mambo]

thx, but google video is transfering with like 5kb/s :(
Cant watch it -sigh-

[west501]

http://www.ole.clarin.com/diario/2006/08/03/portada.jpg
the faces only their respective mothers and an entire fanbase could love :p
I'm very optimistic going into this tournament :D

[chauchey]

Ortega is playing for River?! Nice! even though he crapped the bed in the WC98, I still think he's a quality player. Good move by River. :)

[cavenaghi]

"Chiquitos pero juguetones" Boy, I was blind! Now I understand: sell all the big ones and buy only midgets. Maybe cause that's the only way for Passarella to talk face to face with them? :D
But it's a smart move. You've noticed that midgets are hype. Ribéry in the WC, "Little Man" in the theaters... and they bring luck!!! The more we have, the more lucky we will be! I think we are already champions! :rolleyes:

[mosesmalone]

Lanus 0 - 2 River
51' - Velazguez (og)
52' - Higuain

Making it through a full ninety minutes without conceeding a goal is good. Doing it with Ferrari, Nasuti, Lussenhoff, and Dominguez is nothing short of a miracle. Belluschi and Higuain played well, Ortega was decent in his limited time, and in general, the team looked much improved. Plus, there was a Sambu sighting!

There were certainly issues - especially in the first half - but getting points to start the season was no doubt crucial.

[givemehistory]

Thanks, MM. Did you watch it on CCTV5? Their feed was delayed by 15 minutes, which was ridiculous. Anyway, here's my extended report:



Lux
Ferrari --- Nasuti --- Lussenhoff --- Dominguez
Belluschi --- Mendez --- Sambueza
Gallardo
Higuain ---Farias


This squad is so different from last season's, and I wasn't sure what to expect. We got Nasuti back, and it was our first time seeing Belluschi, Mendez, and Lussenhoff on the starting lineup. Sambueza's inclusion was also a surprise, since he's been in and out of the medical room for the past million seasons.

River looked pretty good in the beginning, and within a few minutes Gallardo carved out a decent chance after guiding the ball out from a tangle of Lanus defenders, but the goalkeeper was well placed to take it in hand. Belluschi, looking like a madman with his ratty ponytail, showed some bright signs early on, lobbing the ball towards goal and going over by inches.

Lanus, on the other hand, were well organized, buoyed by their support, but they lagged urgency in the first half, allowing River to take control of the game. Ferrari and Belluschi were very active along the right, and Higuain contributed some skillful maneuvers up front. Chances were few and far between, however, and some good work by Sambueza and Belluschi only resulted in Gallardo miskicking his shot. Then, Gallardo set Sambueza up for River's best chance twenty two minutes into the first half, but he dragged his shot straight to the keeper.

Nasuti and Lussenhoff seemed to have good command inside the box, from the few times Lanus was able to put pressure on them. Lussenhoff, in particular, looked impressive at times. Still, their positioning was a tad bit suspect throughout the match. For their first time playing together, though, it was a decent performance.

Not much else happened in the first half, aside from Ortega warming up to applause from the visiting fans. River always showed good promise, but lagged the final touch to give themselves a deserved lead. (Hey, where have we heard that one before?)

Into the second half. River caught Lanus on the surprise early on; Higuain put on a burst of speed, drew the keeper out and tried to square the ball, which bounced in off a Lanus defender. Less than two minutes later, he struck again, finishing beautifully off a diagonal pass by Belluschi.

Lanus nearly hit back, but Lussenhoff's tackle on Biglieri was all ball. They would threaten for the next five minutes, although by and large their efforts were stymied by the haphazard efforts of Lussenhoff et al. (Sorry, I just like typing his name.)

Burrito finally made his appearance, replacing Pipita, and Zapata also replaced Sambueza. Ortega + River = classic stuff, man. I remember watching clips from his final match (the first time around), when he threw his shirt into the crowd, the one with the Sanyo sponsor and that weird watermarky pattern. He helped the team win Libertadores (hopefully next summer he'll be our lucky talisman once again), and in his second reincarnation he formed the "magic quartet" with Aimar, Angel, and Saviola. He's never been my favorite player, with the spitting and all, but he's still a River legend, and I'm excited about the possibilities of his third spell with River. :)

Ortega got involved almost immediately, nearly setting up Belluschi and seeing a chipped effort glance off the post. He contined to work his drunken-toed magic on the right wing with a combination of energy and experience, and caused the Lanus defense all sorts of problems. A random Lanus effort was nabbed easily by Lux, but the home team seemed to be out of ideas before the game even started to wind down.

Ortega even got the armband, after Gallardo came off for Lima. A great fast break saw Ferrari combine with Ortega, which might have resulted in a third goal had Ferrari been a few inches taller, instead of a pint-sized wingback. Belluschi went down near the end, but seemed to be okay. Lux saved River from a nervous finish, tipping the ball onto the post after a dangerous shot from Lanus.

My MOTM goes to either Belluschi or Higuain.

[deviant]

which River player was the one they called Pipino?? MM??

[givemehistory]

The only "Pipino" I can think of is Nelson Cuevas (Paraguayan player, who had a couple of spells at River, if I remember correctly). Now he's at Pachuca.

[deviant]

The only "Pipino" I can think of is Nelson Cuevas (Paraguayan player, who had a couple of spells at River, if I remember correctly). Now he's at Pachuca.
ahh thats right I couldnt remember his name hes now at America. I was watching old footage the commentator really liked saying PIPINOOOO PIPINNOOO

[LeonPL]

doberman is at the outgoing player list, but which club did he joined?
tnx

[givemehistory]

Article about Pipita (http://www.ole.clarin.com/jsp/v4/pagina.jsp?pagId=1248136&fecha=20060807) in Olé, translated somewhat liberally by me:

At the moment, Passarella certainly has a fortunate problem, one that all trainers wish to have: quantity and quantity in the strikers. But ahead of the instinct of Farias, the skill of Ortega, and the youth of Falcao, rises Gonzalo Higuain, a player who can play in many positions and pays his dues in goals.

Coming from a great footballing family (his father Jorge was a leader at both River and Boca, and his brother obtained promotion with Neuvo Chicago), Gonzalo has always known what he wants to be: a footballer. Because of this, when he finished secondary school [middle school?] he told his father that he was going to do everything in his strength to play in the Primera. And he has come to achieve it.

In the River reserves he was both playmaker and striker. "He knows how to find my way around any position. He can play in the box, or just outside, close to the area," says his father, who formed a central defensive pairing for the Millonarios, and was also coached by Passarella.

Higuain made his debut last May against Gimnasia la Plata. It was a 2-1 loss at the Monumental towards the end of Leonardo Astrada's time as DT. That same afternoon, he was called upon to form a strike partnership with his brother Federico, a luxury that cannot be offered to many players.

"He talks about football at home, but it's not all he talks about. I like to ask for advice from my dad because I hope to face many defenders," he admits. In reality, he has scored 8 goals in 23 games, a good ratio.

It doesn't burden him to play on a team that boasts strikers like Farias, Ortega, and Falcao. "It's nice to have Burrito around so I can ask him for advice," says Gonzalo. But then he clarifies that he works to put the trainer in a tight spot. "I like to play where I am now, as a striker."

Pipita wants to make himself stronger at River. And if he scores more goals, all the better. "For now, I'm doing well here, and I'm not thinking about being transfered," he confesses. And the River fans are thankful for him, and for epic nights like the one in the Pacaembú, against Corinthians, in the Copa Libertadores Round of 16. His two goals that night allowed River to progress onto the next round.

He also contributes at home. Out of the six times he has played at the Monumental, River has never lost. Yesterday's match against Lanus was his consecration [?!]. When the potatoes were burning, when the game seemed closed, el Pipita announced himself, and in the space of two minutes, forced the first (own) goal and converted the second. Later, he was replaced by Ortega.

"I don't think I'm in Ortega's shadow," he declared. He can hardly be faulted for saying so. Because match by match he is demonstrating to Passarella that he is in perfect condition to fight for his place.

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/7976/lanusriverpipitajs9.jpg

[cavenaghi]

Article about Pipita, translated somewhat liberally by me:
A player with a bright future for sure. But they also could have mentioned that he could become a new Trezeguet and play for France if he wants since he's french.
"Para jugar en la selección argentina debería nacionalizarse, pero en caso de hacerlo perdería la nacionalidad francesa, ya que el país europeo no acepta la doble ciudadanía con la Argentina. La decisión que tomó junto con su familia fue mantener el origen francés, lo que le permitirá tener el pasaporte comunitario, fundamental para poder jugar en Europa."
Did he say anything new about it? And is it really difficult for an argentino to find a spanish (higuain -> basque name , no?) or an italian origin to have double nationaly with these countries?

[lamashtu]

Hey, GMH, absolutely brilliant jobs on the match report and the Pipita article, I cannot thank you enough for your selfless efforts!!!

[indomitable_lion]

So, you guys want to buy Bofo eh? :D I'm sure Chivas will let him go on the cheap. He hasn't been throwing away many shoes lately, so I'm sure he won't ask for too much money.

[west501]

we looked good the other day
I was more than happy with belluschi
I think he'll be a solid player for us this season
burrito was also fantastic..he's matured into a great player and I'm sure he'll bring us a few more championships before the end of his career
I have a feeling the game against boca, while it likely won't decide the tournament, will decide which of the teams will do better
a lot of teams looked strong in the first fixture..we just have to hope we can be the most consistent

[givemehistory]

So, you guys want to buy Bofo eh? :D I'm sure Chivas will let him go on the cheap. He hasn't been throwing away many shoes lately, so I'm sure he won't ask for too much money.

I haven't heard this. What's your source?



Oh guys, Higuain injured himself today in training (source (http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news/story?id=468079)), and is probably out of the Newell's game.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6738/fhiguainhtopxr0.jpg

Sadface. Ortega will probably replace him. Gallardo and Belluschi also picked up slight knocks but it seems like they should be fine. In other news, Lima might replace Mendez in the holding midfielder position. Possible starting lineup:

Lux
Ferrari --- Nasuti --- Lussenhoff --- Fede
Belluschi --- Lima --- Sambueza
Gallardo
Ortega --- Farías

[deviant]

it looks like River is interested in buying El Bofo Bautista from Chivas not bad considering they both hate Boca if he does go I bet the next classico is going to be intense. I dont know why he would go though Bravo is about to leave for Santander hes their only main Striker left and hes treated very well.

(SPANISH)

http://www.oem.com.mx/esto/notas/n7741.htm

[chauchey]

any idea if this game is going to be capped? :o Or should i start a request thread for this?

[tifoso-inter]

i dont know where to post this.. but i thought, here might be good. river fans are nice ppl generally. :o

where can I "obtain" footage of the latest futbol de 1ra? PM plz. :D

[River]

Hey.. I am new to this site.. Anyway, I recommend you people check out the BigSoccer forums, if you didn't.. Here are a few good threads:

River Plate Transfer News (in English and Spanish):
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=271053&page=29

River Plate General Discussions:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385841&page=5

There are several other good threads on the site. My username is Locoxriver..

Anyway, Aguante River che.. El domingo hay que ganar. :D

[west501]

pipita mania (http://www.ole.clarin.com/jsp/v4/pagina.jsp?pagId=1250714&fecha=20060812) it's always the same
I'm glad passarella is keeping it real cos I want to see this kid at river for another 2 or 3 years before he goes and becomes france's next national team sensation

[River]

pipita mania (http://www.ole.clarin.com/jsp/v4/pagina.jsp?pagId=1250714&fecha=20060812) it's always the same
I'm glad passarella is keeping it real cos I want to see this kid at river for another 2 or 3 years before he goes and becomes france's next national team sensation

Hmm.. I really like him, but I don't see him worth $12,000,000 dollars.. I would love for him to stay, but I think that offer overvalues him.. Figueroa was sold for 5 million, D'Alessandro for 8.. Sure, they were underpriced, but I still think this is a good offer.. I still think we should analize the Chelsea offer.. $4,000,000 euros (about 6.5 million dollars) for 50%, and he would stay at River for another two years.. Not to mention that we would get 50% of the money of a future sale.. So we would get some good money, and keep him till August 2008. Not bad if you ask me.

[givemehistory]

I still think we should analize the Chelsea offer.. $4,000,000 euros (about 6.5 million dollars) for 50%, and he would stay at River for another two years.. Not to mention that we would get 50% of the money of a future sale.. So we would get some good money, and keep him till August 2008. Not bad if you ask me.[/COLOR]

Except for the whole going to Chelsea thing. I'd rather see him sold for half that amount to a mid-table La Liga team than for any amount to Chelsea, but that might just be club loyalty speaking. :p

[chauchey]

anytime a player(especially a young one) goes to chelsea, you have to ask...how much is he going to play. Chances are, not alot. So a future sale might be nil, because he wouldnt have been able to prove himself. I think its a good offer, its just the team he'd be going to that would concern me. :o

[mosesmalone]

Well, I think there are a lot of options to weigh. Of course, Aguilar will just break the scales and smash all of them.

On one hand, River (wait, I'll call you Loco, else this could get confusing) is right. Higuain is highly overvalued at this point. He played very sparingly the past two seasons, so everything is based on a few good months and potential. On the other hand, I agree with the chaucey about Chelsea. While it would be great to have Higuain around for a couple more seasons, I question whether it is a sound financial decision. Any time you're selling percentages of a player to a big club, it's unlikely that you'll get much return. In the case of Lucho or Jefecito, it's fine, because it's almost inevitable that they'll be sold again, and very likely at a higher price. However, with a player like Aimar or Saviola, it would have been huge mistake.

Finally, the market needs to be analyzed. I think we've been seeing a trend where big European clubs are now unwilling to "gamble" in the South American market. Most foreign players are recycled within the league or continent before hitting it big, so the chances of getting a blockbuster offer from a Valencia, a Barcelona, or a Lazio again are remote. Instead, a bulk of the foreign buyers are mid-table teams and Eastern European clubs, so expecting a more lucrative offer in two or three years for Higuain is probably overly optimistic. Although, conversely, River do not own a full 100% of the player, so holding out for a higher bid may still prove to be the prudent thing to do.

[west501]

I resent the bullying by european sides
it's almost as if they're saying 'look how much we're willing to pay for this teenaged player based on potential alone..he mightn't be worth this much in a year or two so you better sell him now if you want/need the money and we know you do'
I just wish thing could return to 'normal' when players could at least start their careers as stars for their local teams before going on to star in europe
the market has changed in this respect in that great talents aren't allowed to mature at home and then never really get the chance in europe
torito cavenaghi is a perfect example of this as his move to russia is the only thing that prevented his senior team debut and arguably his place in germany2006
plus you get a better idea of a player's relevance in europe when he's a bit older
for example pocho insua moving to germany at 26..arguably the best player in argentina last season but not more than a midlevel player for europe..imagine what would have happened had be snatched up before turning 20 (or 19 even)

[mosesmalone]

I resent the bullying by european sides
it's almost as if they're saying 'look how much we're willing to pay for this teenaged player based on potential alone..he mightn't be worth this much in a year or two so you better sell him now if you want/need the money and we know you do'
I just wish thing could return to 'normal' when players could at least start their careers as stars for their local teams before going on to star in europe
the market has changed in this respect in that great talents aren't allowed to mature at home and then never really get the chance in europe

I understand, but realize that River do the same thing on a smaller scale.

It's disappointing as fans to see players leave, but it is a beneficial system for both sides. Smaller teams in Europe thrive off of South America's youth, as they're priced out of their local market. Meanwhile, clubs like River need the money, and there's no better time to sell a player than while they're young. That potential, the unknown variable, is worth so much.

plus you get a better idea of a player's relevance in europe when he's a bit older
for example pocho insua moving to germany at 26..arguably the best player in argentina last season but not more than a midlevel player for europe..imagine what would have happened had be snatched up before turning 20 (or 19 even)

That's true, but it's the same reason teams have to sell players at a young age. Insua has played in Europe before, so there's already some familiarity - I can't help but think that that's factored into a bid. So when you're offered the type of money that Genoa displayed for Figueroa, sadly, there can be very little hesitation.

[River]

Wtf.. They are showing Racing-Velez on Fox Sports en Espanol, and Libertad (Paraguay) vs. Sporting Luqueno (Paraguay) on TyC Sports.. :mad: Who the fuck wants to see Paraguayan futbol?

Anyway, for those of you who don't know, the first half is over and River is down 2-3. Newell's started off winning with a goal by the Paraguayan, Salcido. But River flipped the score with one goal by Gallardo (penalty) and a supposedly "nice shot" by Belluschi. Then, in the last few minutes, the other Paraguayan Cardozo, scored two goals to give his team the lead at then end of the first half. One at the 44th minute, and one at the 47th. :mad: These two Paraguayans are the same ones who scored all three goals vs. Velez.. They're fucking unstoppable..

I guess I'll just have to see this game on "Paso a Paso" and "Futbol de Primera" for second week in a row. :mad:

[River]

Termino el partido.. River: 3 - Newell's: 3.. Goles de Gallardo (penal), Belluschi, y Tuzzio para River.. Los Paraguayos Salcedo (1) y Cardozo (2) anotaron para Newell's.

[chauchey]

lol...funny post with the "who wants to watch paraguayan football", and then later "those paraguayans are unstoppable" :D :p

[Hartfield]

I haeard falcao is not going to be able to play next week as he was told.

[River]

I haeard falcao is not going to be able to play next week as he was told.

Yeah.. He's going to be playing in the reserves on Sunday..

[givemehistory]

Oh good, at least he's still alive. I thought he'd either died or joined a nunnery. Welcome back, kid (hopefully).

[River]

Lussenhoff suffered an injury, and will be out for the next three weeks.

In other news, River's stadium might be renamed, and a 16 year old youngster from our lower divisions might be sold to Chelsea. :mad: See here. (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9320300)

[River]

Make sure to join the "El Mas Sabio - 2006 Futbol Argentino" Prediction Contest, that I created on BigSoccer. Get your predictions in before Friday's match between Belgrano and San Lorenezo.

CLICK HERE TO JOIN THE CONTEST (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9320451)

[River]

Falcao won't be playing in the reserves vs. Racing, as expected. When he came back from his injury in January of this year, he got injured a few days later (and has been out till now).. This time, River doesn't want to risk having him get another serious injury and will reserve him for a little bit more..

[River]

Todo el equipo de Racing: Putos. Se la pasaron tirandose cada dos minutos.. Salian de la cancha despues de estar tirados en el piso por media hora, y volvian en segundos.. No paso una o dos veces.. Paso como quince veces.. Sixto Peralta y Bastia fueron los que mas veces se tiraron, pero Sixto fue el que mas se tiro. Ademas, el arbitro amargo les creia..

Sava: Maricon. Se la paso todo el segundo tiempo buscando con quien peliarse. Se pelio con Gerlo, Tuzzio, y un poquito con Gallardo.. Es un pelotudo..

Baldassi: Cobraba de todo para Racing.. Los de River apenas los tocaban, y.. falta, a veces con amarilla.. Ni hablar de las 10,000 faltas inexistentes a favor de Racing. Hasta hubo una vez en que chocaron dos jugadores de Racing, y cobro una falta a favor de ellos. Mientras que si nosotros queriamos un tiro libre, nos tenian que accuchillar y pisarnos con sus autos. Ahh.. Y en el segundo gol de Racing, la pelota habia salido en el principio de la jugada.. (En la banda izquierda.. Tendria que haber sido lateral para River, pero la jugada siguio).

Zapata: Sigo sin entender como este hijo de puta sigue en River. En el primer tiempo, jugo como mediocampista y no hizo nada.. En el segundo tiempo, jugo como defensor y no hizo nada.. Bah, hizo algo.. HIZO CAGADAS. Defendio re-mal en el tercer gol de Ra-sin club.. No se que hacia.. Hablaba con Tuzzio o algo, mientras que Bastia entraba al area solo para definir...

Mareque y Ferrari: Me gusto como jugaron offensivamente, pero defensivamente no saben como defender. El primer gol lo hicieron en el lado de Mareque, mientras que el segundo empezo en el lado de Ferrari y termino en el lado de Mareque. Aunque no sepan que hacer defensivamente, hacen cosas interesantes en el ataque. Creo que cuando los vamos a poner, solo tendriamos que poner a uno de ellos. Con los dos, basicamente jugamos con solo dos defensores (los dos centrales), y los rivales entran demasiado facil al area. O sea, si los ponemos, tendriamos que poner una linea de cuatro con Mareque-Nasuti-Lussenhoff-Tuzzio, o Tuzzio-Nasuti-Lussenhoff-Ferrari.

Ortega: Aunque haya metido el unico gol de River en el partido, demostro que no esta 100%, y no esta para ser titular en River. No le salia nada.. Intento amagar varias veces, pero siempre se la robaban. Ademas, no tenia una buena pegada.. El unico remate que tuvo, lo mando a la mierda. Eso si, me emocione cuando metio su gol.. Casi me puse a llorar :o. Es un capo el burrito, y se veia tan contento cuando metio el gol.. Se lo merecia.. Aguante Ortega! :D

Lo unico positivo: Ya nos sacamos de encima a, possiblemente, los dos rivales mas complicados para River (Lanus y Newell's).. Y tambien a uno de los candidatos para quedarse con el torneo (Racing)..

[cavenaghi]

Todo el equipo de Racing: Putos... Sava: Maricon.... Es un pelotudo... este hijo de puta sigue en River.
I like your style River :D

[cavenaghi]

Cavenaghi will play the Champions League!
I've always knew Spartak was a great choice for his carreer :D
It was clever from him to wait before committing suicide :cool:
He has 6 games to show his talent and escape from this golden jail. Let's pray he won't get injuried. Maybe he will able to take his fellow-prisoner Clemente Rodriguez with him ;)

[River]

"He has a great future", said Argentina's U-17 NT coach, Miguel Angel Tojo. On Sunday he will be on River's bench, for the first time in his life. Who is he? Mateo Musacchio. He is a central defender, and is only 16 years old. :eek: He had been playing for River 7th division, and just weeks ago, he was promoted to the reserves. "I was really surprised to be included in the list vs. Argentinos, because I had only started concentrating with the reserves two weeks ago" said Mateo.

It should be interesting to see him play.. If he suddenly came to the first division after being with the the 7TH DIVISION, and the U-17 NT coach said he was good, it has to be for a reason. :)

[River]

August 30, 2006 -

Gonzalo Higuaín: Se cerró la venta del 50% del pase del delantero a cambio de unos 5.500.000 euros. Se quedaria por lo menos hasta Diciembre 06, y hasta hay una posibilidad de que se quede hasta Junio 2007. Su futuro seguramente seria en Inglaterra.

Germán Lux: En las próximas horas entrarán 2.000.000 euros por el arquero. Se iria al Mallorca, y la idea es retenerlo al menos hasta fin de año.

Maximiliano Oliva: Es el pibe que se probó en el Chelsea. Por ahora se quedaria.
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August 30, 2006 -

Gonzalo Higuaín: River closed the transfer. 50% of the foward will be sold for $5,000,000 euros. He would stay until atleast December 06, and there even is a posibility that he'll leave after June 2007. His future will probably be in England.

Germán Lux: In the next few hours, River will recieve $2,000,000 euros for the goalkeeper. He would leave to Mallorca, and the idea is to keep him until, atleast, the end of the year.

Maximiliano Oliva: He is the youngster who tried out for Chelsea. For now, he will stay at River.

[west501]

Cavenaghi will play the Champions League!
I've always knew Spartak was a great choice for his carreer :D
It was clever from him to wait before committing suicide :cool:
He has 6 games to show his talent and escape from this golden jail. Let's pray he won't get injuried. Maybe he will able to take his fellow-prisoner Clemente Rodriguez with him ;)

it's going to be emotional for me to finally see him play after such a long time
usually in the past I didn't go out of my way to follow our players careers outside of argentina, but with cavenaghi it has been different
I still think he would have made the world cup squad if he'd stayed in argentina for another year and gone to juve or any of the other big name squads that were after his services

[west501]

you know the more I think about it the more upset I get, but higuain is 18 and has played maybe 1/3 of a season and scored 8 or 10 goals
my anger comes because I was looking forward to watching him play for a few years after they said they weren't selling him a few weeks ago, but what happened? he came back, put in a couple of goals and now he's likely to go to europe (and the french national team) in the january transfer window

[givemehistory]

Yeah, I would have really liked for Pipita to stay for at least another year, to get more experience, which would have helped him build up his transfer prospects as well.

All these transfers going in and out are killing the stability of the team, first of all. We can't win the league if the team is going to be a mere revolving door for youngsters on their way to "something bigger" and veterans returning home, plus the usual hodgepodge of unknowns.

This transfer policy really pisses me off. :mad:

[chauchey]

guys, i'd understand only the bare minimum of spanish, english translations are always appreciated. ;)

Besides that, thanks for the transfer updates. I was wondering when Lux was going to go. After his preformance in the Olympics a few years back, and his many callups to the NT, you'd expect someone to pick him up. It looks like Mallorca are making a move up the table, but on a budget. :) They picked up Maxi on loan from Barca, and now they have Lux. Another player and they'll probably be mid table. :)

This transfer policy really pisses me off. :mad:
Yup...completely.

[lamashtu]

This is an excerpt from an article in today's Independent (UK)
Full story at http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/internationals/article1431097.ece

The trend by which promising young South American players are owned not just by their clubs, but partly or wholly by separate companies, appeared to be taken a step further yesterday when the debt-ridden Argentine club River Plate announced the sale of percentages in five of the team's most promising players to an unnamed business group. The Israeli "super agent" Pini Zahavi is thought to have brokered the dea,l said to be worth $13m (£6.8m).

Jose Maria Aguilar, the president of River Plate, explained that 50 per cent of 18-year-old forward Gonzalo Higuain and 40 per cent of midfielder Fernando Belluschi have been ceded to an unnamed business group and that the deal also involves the youngsters Augusto Fernandez (20), Juan Antonio (18) and Mateo Musacchio (16).

Musacchio has yet to play for the River first team, but the talented 16-year-old is expected to be given his debut by manager, Daniel Passarella, this weekend.

Passarella is resigned to losing his best youngsters in the future, but had been particularly keen to keep Higuain for the rest of the Argentine season. "I have no doubt he will play at the top level in Europe" Passarella said last week, "but he's so young and it would be nice if we can keep him here at least until January."
Throughout the transfer window there was speculation that Higuain would be joining an English club, with Portsmouth and West Ham mentioned in the Argentine press. But when Aguilar set off for London last week, Higuain said: "It would be great for me if I could stay another year at River."

River Plate are said to incurring substantial losses each month and the deal is necessary to keep the club afloat. If either Antonio, Fernadez or Musaccchio is sold for more than $2m in the future, River will receive 30 per cent. If they are sold for $3m, 20 per cent and if it is for more than $4m, 15 per cent

However, the trend is far from new. When Aston Villa paid £9m for Juan Pablo Angel in January 2001 little of the money went to River Plate, Angel's club. Nothing came of an investigation into the transfer by the Football Association.

[west501]

yeah, it's become painfully obvious that the millonarios aren't that well off these days, what with coca-cola stadium rumours and the selling of the rights to 16 year-olds
the agents, agencies, and european clubs are aggressively biting the hand that feeds them players like crespo, sorín, mascherano, aimar, saviola, ayala, ortega, d'alessandro, cavenaghi, etc
how long will it go on? will fifa finally do something useful and intervene?
talent should be capital and we should be one of the richest clubs in the world :mad:

[cavenaghi]

Don't know why but each time I'm reading this thread I want to cry :(
Every club has its bad periods. And no doubt, that's a big one right now. Problem is that even if we win a dozen of titles in the next months (why not? :rolleyes: ), it wouldn't change much our situation. Not matter what happens on the field, the solution will not come from there.
In the same time, the best club in the world at the moment is also the one with the biggest debt. Barça wins the Champions and the Liga on credit, and nobody says anything. We endure the consequences of our financial difficulties, they don't. And instead of being the best club in the Amsud, we're just the official provider of argentinian talents for european clubs...
Fucking depressing.

Btw Guest501, your WC90 releases were terrific. Thanks again :)

[River]

Alright, so you MIGHT say "Ok, he sold the percentage of five players.. But 13 million dollars is a lot of money." Sure, that is some good money, but is not equivalent to the value of the package.. Think about it:

- We already recieved a $12,000,000 euro offer for Gonzalo Higuain. So 50% means $6,000,000 euros for them.. So basically, around $11 million dollars for them. Not to mention that we already sold 30% (I think) of him to the other group.. So only 20% of him belongs to us.

- We already recieved a $10,000,000 dollar offer for Fernando Belluschi. So 40% means $4,000,000 dollars for them. Only 80% belonged to River, so we only have 40% of him now.

- We already had offers from Barcelona and Villarreal for Augusto Fernandez.. I love this guy.. He has to be worth millions and millions of dollars if he continues playing like he does.

- Mussachio hasn't played yet, so I don't know if he is good or sucks ass.. But considering that he barely turned 16 a few weeks ago, and has already been concentrating with the first team, makes me think that he should be worth a pretty good amount of money.

- River will only keep 10-30% of Juan Antonio, depending on how much he is sold..

So the total price of the percentages for Belluschi and Higuain, alone, is $15,000,000 dollars.. Add The percentages of the other 3, and it should be well over $20,000,000.. And I am saying 20 Million minimum.. To me, its worth more.

[zaffo]

I read awhile ago that there was a young defender who caught the eye of Chelsea and they were keen to sign him while the kid was willing to leave. Cant remember the name or even be sure if it is true. Could anyone shed some light on this?

[River]

I read awhile ago that there was a young defender who caught the eye of Chelsea and they were keen to sign him while the kid was willing to leave. Cant remember the name or even be sure if it is true. Could anyone shed some light on this?

His name is Maximiliano Oliva, and, for now, Chelsea has decided not to buy him.

[River]

An interesting article came out on Clarin the other day. Aguilar is, finally, doing something good.. And not only to help out River, but to try to benefit all the Argentine clubs.. Thank you! Hopefully they accept the proposal..

Here's the article:

La FIFA y el tema juveniles

El presidente de River José María Aguilar viajará mañana a la noche (junto a su par de Lanús, Juan José Marón), hacia Zurich, Suiza, a un congreso de la FIFA para tratar un tema picante: el mercado de jugadores juveniles.

En el congreso, Aguilar y Marón intentarán establecer la posición de la Argentina ante la utilización de la ley de la Patria Potestad por la cual varios juveniles argentinos han dejado sus clubes de origen para irse a jugar a Europa. La idea de Aguilar es la de fijar una ley FIFA para que no se puedan robar jugadores que están en formación.

Esta semana Boca fue el que sufrió este problema ante la decisión de los padres de Emiliano Insúa, de 16 años, de irse al Liverpool de Inglaterra. Y River lo padeció el año pasado cuando Erick Lamela fue tentado por el Barcelona por lo que el club decidió, finalmente, darle al padre del jugador una parte del pase, más un dinero, y la educación paga de Erick y sus dos hermanos de por vida en el Instituto River Plate. Pero en esta temporada Juan Antonio y Maximiliano Oliva también fueron tentados por el Inter de Italia y River tuvo que negociar con sus representantes como si tuvieran edad de profesionales. "No podemos hacerle contrato a los 300 jugadores de fútbol amateur que tenemos", le dijo a Clarín Aguilar, intentando dejar clara la difícil posición de los clubes en este caso.
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For those who don't understand Spanish, here are the main points:


Aguilar, the President of River Plate, will fly to Zurich, Sweden tomorrow. The cause? To try to convince FIFA to make a new law that wouldn't allow European clubs to "steal" youngsters while they are currently playing in an Argentine club's lower divisions. Hopefully they accept this law.. It would be good news for every Argentine team, and would make our league a much better league.
Boca was the last team to get a player "stolen" from by a European club. Who was it? Emiliano Insua.. The 16 year old youngster left Boca this week to join Liverpool of England.
River also has their players in danger.. In the last few weeks, Juan Antonio and Maximiliano Oliva had offers from Inter of Italy and Chelsea of England, respectively. River had to negociate with their representatives to make sure they'd stay. Last year, ''los millonarios' almost lost Erick Lamela to Barcelona, who was barely 12 (or 13) years old at the time. River had to negociate with his family to keep him. They finally reached an agreement after offering a good amount of money, the percentage of a future transfer, and a life-long educational scholarship for Erick and his two brothers.

[chauchey]

rough...i believe that every kid should have the opportunity to stay at home untill at least 16 years of age, and even then, preferably 18, or they graduate from highschool. When i think back to my days when i was 13, 15, I would have been wrecked by the world had i left home. I'm sure that their parents go with them, but still...i see junior hockey players here in canada leave home at 15, and they get into tons of trouble off the ice, because they play with guys that are 20 yrs old and are into bad things. and they want to fit in. not a good scene. keep them at home where they have good childhood friends hopefully, and lots of family to spend time with.

I hope Aguilar succeeds in his bid to keep Argentinian youngsters at home. :)

[zaffo]

His name is Maximiliano Oliva, and, for now, Chelsea has decided not to buy him.

Thanks for that.

[River]

http://www.ole.clarin.com/diario/2006/09/12/fotos/f013ah02.jpg

River's ninth division beat Boca 5-1 in the Bombonera on Saturday. Daniel Villalba (2), Emmanuel Morelli (2), and Erik Lamela (1) were the players who scored the goal for the winning side. They all are said to have played well, and are only 14 years old..


Daniel Villalba: He was chosen the Man of the Match. Not only that, but he is also part of the Argentina U15 side. Being 1.56 meters tall, they compare him to Saviola not only because of his height, but also because of his style of play.. Might be an interesting prospect to keep in mind.. :cool:
Emmanuel Morelli: He is a foward, who scored 2 goals vs. Boca to make it a total of 14 by him this season.
Erik Lamela: He is the "famous" youngster that Barcelona wanted in 2004, when he was barely 12. He "supposedly" scored a nice goal. After several pases, he passed a last defender, and scored with his left.

[River]

Hey, make sure to check out the compilation I made of River's best goals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH9-RDLDQmI

Sorry for the bad quality. :D

[River]

Grande Domingo.. Really nice goal, and thanks to him, we are at the top of the table with San Lorenzo and Boca (who has one game suspended at half time).

Carrizo: I think he played pretty well.. He started off really bad, and it was his fault we were down 1-0.. But after that, he started improving, and did some very important saves. Still, I prefer to see Lux the next game. He deserves another shot.

Falcao: Showed that he still is not 100% fit.. Although he didn't play very good and wasn't really clear, he showed good intentions, and put a lot of pressure on Gimnasia when he could.

Ortega: He wasn't horrible, but he didn't really play well either. If he couldn't shine vs. teams like Argentinos Jrs, Quilmes, or Gimnasia (Jujuy), then I doubt he could vs. teams like Boca, Sao Paulo, Internacional, etc. I think that he's had his chances, and has proved that he isn't in conditions to be a starter. As fowards, I prefer to put Farias, Falcao, or Higuain before him. And as playmakers, I prefer to put Gallardo, Belluschi, or Augusto Fernandez.

Ferrari: Although he made a goal vs. Quilmes, I don't think he played well that game. Today, he didn't do much either. He didn't seem to be present in Jujuy today. I would like to see Augusto Fernandez or Belluschi there instead.

[River]

http://www.ole.clarin.com/diario/2006/09/17/um/fotos/river.jpg

:D

[River]

What the hell is going on? I heard Passarella will put in several subs vs. Atletico Paranaense.. Marcelo Sosa and Pusineri are going to play.. The changes that will probably be made that I do support though, are the returns of Farias and Augusto Fernandez to the team. :) Mareque may also play, which is a good thing, because I think he deserves another shot.. Oh, and, as we've known for a while now, Lux will once again form part of the first team..

I just hope we get a good result. I think this Copa is very accessible, and we should really try to bring it home this time. There aren't many rivals who scare me.. I am used to seeing a Sao Paulo or an Internacional in there, you know, a team that makes you nervous.. But this time I don't see many hard ones:


Argentinean Teams:
- Boca is, obviously, the hardest one in there. If we both pass this round, we will be facing them. I think they would be our toughest possible rival.
- San Lorenzo are having a pretty good campaign this season. Still, I believe we could beat them, specially after the 7-1.. :p
- Gimnasia (LP) is sucking this season. They have been in the bottom half of the table in Argentina, I truly don't see them rising.
- Lanus is always a hard team, but we already beat them for the first game of the season, so why wouldn't we be able to do it again?
Brazilian Teams: The Brazilians usually strike some fear, but this time I don't see any amazing teams in here.
- Corinthians has been sucking ass for a long time now. We beat them a few months ago, and now, without Mascherano and Tevez, they seem even worse.
- I haven't seen Atl. Paranaense, Fluminense, or Santos play in a while, so I can't really comment on them. I don't think they have super-teams though.
Mexican Teams:
- Toluca, surprisingly, would probably be the hardest team in the tournament to beat, other than Boca and possibly Santos. They've been having a good campaign for a while now, and with Gallego on top of the team, they seem powerful.
- Pachuca.. Don't really scare me.. Not a horrible team, but I think we could manage to beat them.
Ecuadorian, Chilean, Colombian, and Uruguayan Teams:
- El Nacional wouldn't be too easy to defeat. They don't have a bad team, and the height of their stadium could be a major factor for their performance in the competition.
- Colo Colo.. Very accesible, in my opinion.
- Same goes for Deportes Tolima.
- Nacional.. They've been surprising me.. They eliminated Libertad (though they didn't play at all like they had vs. River) and have a player that I like. His name is Castro. I haven't seen much of him, but vs. the Paraguayans, he did really good.. They must face Boca for the Round of Sixteen.. If they eliminate the Bosteros, they would be facing the winner of River/Atletico Paranaense.. Are they capable of doing so?
Costa Rican Teams:
- Alajuelense.. Don't even get me started.. :p


So, as you see, there are some good teams, but I think that we could beat them if we really tried.. Vamos River, carajo.. Que la Copa tenemos que ganar!!

[River]

What tha fuck? I was pissed off to see Pusineri form part of the team, but I still thought we had a pretty good team.. But there are even more changes I wasn't aware of :eek: :

- Lussenhoff, Domingo, and Federico Dominguez will not even concentrate for the game. I would like to see Domingo and Fede Dominguez play, but the Lussenhoff thing is just completly crazy.. He was amazing vs. Colon, and must play against the Brazilians. :mad:
- Belluschi will be a substitute.
- Ortega will be on the bench (I think that's fine.. I don't think he's ready for first team football).
- Jose San Roman, an 18 year old defender, will probably be making his debut in professional football.. He plays as a right-defender (like Hernan Diaz, Ferrari, etc. I just don't know if he's as offensive as them.) He has never played a minute for River, or any other club. I am neutral on this decision.. Even though he's young and has no experience, he might just be great and might prove to be important to the team in the near future. In fact, I've been hearing good things about him for a while now..
- Sambueza would return to the first team.. I support this.. Zapata sucks ass.. :D
- Gallardo wouldn't be able to play since he is suspended (red card vs. Libertad in the Libertadores). Since Belluschi and Ortega will both be on the bench, River will head out with a 4-4-2 formation (no playmaker).. That is, unless, Augusto Fernandez surprisingly takes the role of #10.

Passarella seems to show little, if any, importance in the Sudamericana. What do you guys think about it? Do you think he's making the right decisions? Should he atleast put a few more normal starters in the formation? Should he put all the starters?

I don't know.. This doesn't seem right.. I mean, we are facing Belgrano on Sunday.. Not Boca.. Not Internacional.. Sure, they are still a great team, but come on.. Why not a little more concentration on the Sudamericana? This is reminding me a lot of the first semester.. I remember writing a nearly identical post on BigSoccer about Passarella's decision to put subs in the Copa Libertadores.. And incase you don't remember what happened, we were almost left out of thoe Libertadores in the first round (group stage) :mad:. This time we won't have as many chances as we did then.. Here, we only have two chances, and after Wednesday, it will turn down to only one. Hopefully we do good, but I am worried.

[chauchey]

i think river should put some importance on the copa sud. its a continental cup. and gets you alot of extra publicity. something that could perhaps springboard a team into better jersey sales worldwide. If River want to start solving some of thier money problems, they need to win everything they can. simple as that.

6 posts in a row river(some big ones too)...dang! :eek: :p That has to be a MFF record. ;)

[River]

Based on today's game..

Good:
- Fernando Belluschi: Came in, and changed the team's attitute.
- Augusto Fernandez: I've always loved this guy.. In my opinion, he was our best player next to Belluschi.
- Gonzalo Higuain: Didn't do much, but from the little that he was able to do, he did better than most of the other players on the field.
- Rubens Sambueza: Did some interesting things.. He would disappear at times, but I still prefer him over Zapata, without a doubt..

Bad:
- Marcelo Sosa: Didn't do shit.. He recuperated very little, and did several violent tackles.. If I were Passarella, I would continue putting Domingo over him (or Ahumada, once he returns).
- Lucas Mareque: He did a very bad job defensively.. Never stole the ball from the opponents, and marked quite poorly during the Brazilians first and only goal.
- Paulo Ferrari: I haven't liked him at all this season. I've been saying that after every game, and it seems as if I won't stop anytime soon. First off, he didn't do shit defensively.. But that is ok, I didn't really expect him to.. But he didn't do shit offensively either.. And he gets me frustrated every single time he gets the ball.. Instead of passing it ahead and keeping up the game tempo, or switching the ball to the other side where an open teammate is, he holds onto it.. Then he runs to the side with the ball for like 20 seconds.. And to finish it off, he ends up passing it to another River player 4 centimeters away.. I say, put Augusto instead of him from now on..
- Radamel Falcao Garcia: He had a few clear opportunities, but could never define. He seems to be well physically and everything, but it is obvious that he hasn't recovered his level completely.. I think Passarella should have him practice his definition during the training sessions.. Like I said, he's showing the right attitude and is running and pressuring a lot, but he needs to improve his shots..

Neutral:
- German Lux: Didn't have much to do because of the few shots the Brazilians took.. In fact, I don't remember him having to stop anything.. But what I do remember is that he gave away a ball to a foward who was in or near the box.. He almost gave away a goal right there.. I was asking for him lately, but now I think I am seeing why Passarella is choosing Carrizo over him. I still think he should get another chance (vs. Belgrano).. If he doesn't do well there, then yes, put Carrizo vs. Boca..
- Lucas Pusineri: I don't like the guy at all, but I must admit he didn't do bad today.. He gave a beautiful pass to Falcao to leave him one on one with the goalie, and was probably the player who attacked most before Belluschi came in.. The only reason I chose to put him in the neutral section is because he still didn't really have a greaaat game, and I don't think he deserves to stay in River..

Overall, the only ones I was happy with were Belluschi and Augusto Fernandez.. Even though Higuain and Sambueza are in the "Good" section, they weren't close to Fernando and Augusto's level.. Still, those two weren't bad.. The rest needs some serious improvement.

[River]

Hey.. I created a new video.. This time, it's dedicated to the Bosteros.. Make sure to look at it..

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_LSVlUiGkg

Oh, and don't forget to turn on your speakers.. ;)

[chauchey]

i thought Lux was purchased by a team in spain? :confused:

[River]

i thought Lux was purchased by a team in spain? :confused:
He was, but his transfer will go through at the end of the year (December 06)..

[chauchey]

He was, but his transfer will go through at the end of the year (December 06)..
ahhh..gotcha..thanks. :)

[River]

ahhh..gotcha..thanks. :)

Nevermind.. It seemed as if his transfer was confirmed, but...

"I haven't requested a goalkeeper, so he won't come". With these words, Mallorca's coach ended the rumours of a possible transfer. :)

[Somaztlan]

Hey.. I created a new video.. This time, it's dedicated to the Bosteros.. Make sure to look at it..


Hahahaha...awesome!!!

[River]

Hahahaha...awesome!!!
Thanks. :)

[deviant]

wow I had no idea el Burrito Ortega was back at River bad luck for River at that last match though

[west501]

wow I had no idea el Burrito Ortega was back at River bad luck for River at that last match though

the last two we lost the 2 points right at the end
infuriating stuff
we can beat boca this weekend though and turn the tide in our favour
we need to win this tournament

[River]

Es para vos, es para vos.. Bostero puto la puta que te parioooo!!

Aguante River loko!!! :cool:

[River]

http://www.ole.clarin.com/diario/2006/10/08/um/fotos/pipita.jpg

Dicen que los bosteros tienen aguanteee...
Son todos negros, putos, y vigilanteeeees...
Siempre agarran a los guachos y a las mujereees...
Por que con las gallinas boca no puedeee...
OHHHH, MILLONARIO!!! OHHHHH MILLONARIO!!!

Aguante River loko.. El Mas Grande. Lejos..
River, te amo!!

[chauchey]

River really got Boca on the counter. I must say I was really impressed. I didnt expect them to eat up the defence so well. Boca had good offence, but boy, their defence sure didnt measure up.

[west501]

great game for us
this is what we needed to do to boca at home
I saw weaknesses in lavolpe's boca from the first game he took over and we clinically exploited what velez started but could not finish last weekend
now we need to go for the tournament!

[River]

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[River]

Que hinchada, dios mio!! :D

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/locoxriver/river3boca.jpg

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[River]

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[River]

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[River]

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[givemehistory]

So you know what's still so brilliant about Belluschi's performance yesterday? On the second goal, Farías was in an offside position, drawing three defenders away from him. Belluschi flicks it out wide to Pipita, who'd been making his run unnoticed the entire time. He rounds Bobadilla like a bitch and buries it.

On Farías's goal, Belluschi had the ball in just about the same area as he did for the previous one, again with Pipita dragging wide and Farías staying in the center. This time, Silvestre stays wide, while Díaz tries to keep an eye on both Pipita and Farías, giving Belluschi enough room to slide the ball in between Díaz and Morel for Farías to poke it underneath the onrushing Bobadilla. Every time I think about it, I'm amazed at the amount of uncertainty the two strikers were able to cause. They didn't know who to defend!

:D

¡River corazón!

[River]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/176/2638/1600/dialogo.jpg

[cavenaghi]

Fantastic game! Pipita mad me cry on the second goal :D
I saw weaknesses in lavolpe's boca from the first game he took over
I'm not sure you can say that Lavolpe's Boca is inferior to Basile's based on that game. Cause if you remember well the last superclásico, we should have won it and with a great goleada. Unfortunately we were enable to score more than one goal although we had many opportunities. And it was because Gallardo didn't make the right choices. Just the opposite of what Bellu did this time. That's the only difference!
Conclusion: River is just better than Boca! And Lavolpe or Basile can't change that! :cool:

Nice pictures btw ;)

[chauchey]

Hey river...did you take those pictures at the game? :eek: :cool:

[River]

Hey river...did you take those pictures at the game? :eek: :cool:
Nahh.. I wish I could have gone, but I live in Los Angeles.. :( I just searched through several River websites and picked out the best pictures.. I'll probably post more in the future..

[River]

October 10, 2006 -

Marcelo Sosa: El uruguayo llegó a préstamo por seis meses para reemplazar a Ahumada. Pero parece que aún no está en la forma que esperaban en el cuerpo técnico y le darían salida.

Lucas Pusineri y Bernardo Leyenda: Seguirían el mismo camino que Sosa. No van a seguir en River el campeonato que viene. :)
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October 10, 2006 -

Marcelo Sosa: The Uruguayan arrived on loan for six months to replace Ahumada. But it seems as if he is still not as fit as he was expected to be. River will let him go.

Lucas Pusineri y Bernardo Leyenda: They would follow Sosa's path. They won't remain at River the next semester.:)

[River]

According to the Argentine press, River will be playing with an alternative team in Brazil on Thursday.. :mad: We better win.. I am not saying we won't, I have faith in our guys (Augusto Fernandez is great, Gallardo will be starting, Sosa won't be playing.. Belluschi and Higuain will probably be on the bench), but we must remember that we lost 1-0 the first match, and now we have to play in Brazil.. Hopefully everything goes well, and, at the same time, the first team gets a well-earned rest.

[River]

According to the Argentine press, River will be playing with an alternative team in Brazil on Thursday.. :mad: We better win.. I am not saying we won't, I have faith in our guys (Augusto Fernandez is great, Gallardo will be starting, Sosa won't be playing.. Belluschi and Higuain will probably be on the bench), but we must remember that we lost 1-0 the first match, and now we have to play in Brazil.. Hopefully everything goes well, and, at the same time, the first team gets a well-earned rest.

Ok, ok.. I'm more calm now.. I just read that Passarella will put a "mixed" team (some subs + some starters).. But he has seperated a few players (Sosa, Leyenda, Pusineri).. So the subs we will be seeing will probably be Lux, Mareque, Augusto Fernandez, maybe Lima.. Plus Gerlo, Gallardo, and Falcao, but I wouldn't really say they are subs.. They kind of switch on and off..

Aguante River.. El jueves tenemos que ganar..

[River]

More pictures..

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[River]

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[River]

Damn, I can't say I'm as disappointed as I am when we are eliminated from a Libertadores, but I had faith in the team.. The tournament was accesible, and with the eliminations of strong candidates like Boca and Santos, it doesn't seem very competitive.. Oh well, here's the review..

Zapata: F-U-C-K YOU!!! I hate him more week after week.. The guy is a complete fuck up whose been fuckin up since he arrived at River seven years ago. I cannot understand what he's doin in River (yes, I've said that in 95% of my reviews :D ).. I would prefer to see Sambueza instead, or Belluschi in that position meanwhile Augusto Fernandez takes the left side.. We even have more options.. Abelarias didn't do bad vs. Boca, and is very young.. Meanwhile Oyola may not be the best option ever, but he's still a thousand times better than this fag.. No more Zapata.. please!!!!! :(

Gallardo: He did some good things, but it really pisses me off that just because he has a name he gets to shoot every single freekick. Come on, you've been sucking ass at them for a loooong time now, and Belluschi is one of the best shooters we've seen in a long time.. Another thing that annoys me is that when he's on the field, it's like the other players feel like they HAVE to give him the ball.. I don't know, he didn't do bad, but I feel like the team plays better and less pressured when he's on the bench.. Oh, and I also like Belluschi a lot more when he plays as a playmaker, than when he plays more back..

Falcao: He was really slow, in basically every aspect.. He ran really slowly, he took a long time to shoot, and his passes were also very slow (not to mention very imprecise). The team was a lot faster and did much better with him off the field.

One question.. Why did Antonio come in and not Augusto Fernandez? :confused: Augusto is a midfielder, and we needed someone who could take the ball up top and attack.. Antonio is a foward.. Not to mention that he replaced a midfielder, so we were left with one person less in the middle..

[nimme]

wow, that is some amazing pictures :p

[River]

wow, that is some amazing pictures :p
You think thats amazing? You should watch it on video! :D :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATOFOJRnvAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTDmiFqfUL0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU9Ybg5qp80

The last two videos are good and all, but if you were to watch one, I would recommend the first one.. It's incredible..

[River]

October 16, 2006 -

Germán Lux: Los dirigentes aseguran que el Poroto ya fue transferido, a pesar de que Mallorca negó haberlo comprado. El partido contra el Atletico Paranaense podria haber sido su ultimo partido con la camiseta roja y blanca.
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October 16, 2006 -

Germán Lux: Besides the fact that Mallorca denies it, River's "dirigentes" assure that the goalkeeper was already sold. The game vs. Atletico Paranaense could have been his last game with the red and white jersey.

[River]

October 17, 2006 -

Si River lo vende a Fernando Belluschi, planean traer a Gonzalo Castro (un joven delantero de Nacional de Uruguay), Julio Cesar Caceres (defensor Paraguayo, que estuvo en River durante el primer semestre del año), Justo Villar (arquero Paraguayo, ya tienen el OK de Newell's), y Cristian Villagra (un lateral izquierdo que juega en Central.. Tiene 20 años y es una gran promesa para el futuro.. Hasta Basile lo esta mirando :eek: ).
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October 17, 2006 -

If River sells Fernando Belluschi, they plan on bringing Gonzalo Castro (a young foward who plays for Nacional of Uruguay), Julio Cesar Caceres (a Paraguayan defender who wore River's jersey during the first half of the year), Justo Villar (Paraguayan goalkeeper, they already have Newell's' approval), y Cristian Villagra (a left wing who plays for Central.. He is only 20 years old and is a big promise for the future.. Even Basile is watching him :eek: ).

[River]

- I really like Castro.. I think he did great when I saw him play in the Copa Sudamericana a few times. Not to mention that he was chosen best player in the Uruguayan league (last season) and has 44 goals in just three seasons.

- I wouldn't mind seeing Caceres return.. We have several great central-defenders (Lussenhoff, Nasuti, Tuzzio.. Gerlo does good at times), but you never know what could happen.. Last semester (fuck, not even.. basically the last 20 years) we had problems in the back, and we desperately needed reinforcements.. I don't even need to mention what would happen when one of the "good ones" got injured.. So yeah, it's never bad to have more than you need.. Another thing is that Lussenhoff is on loan, and who knows, we might not be able to retain him, and he is our most important defender at the time..

- Villar is a good goalkeeper, who just happens to always save Newell's vs. River.. He also has been on the Paraguayan National Team for a while now.. Might be an interesting option to replace Lux.

- Cristian Villagra.. I haven't seen him play, but if Basile is keeping an eye on him, and River is chasing him when he's barely 20 years old, it must be for a reason.. I would definently give him a chance.

Ohh, I forgot to mention in my last post. Atletico Madrid offered $9,000,000 euros for Belluschi. River's vice president, Domingo Diaz, said that River won't sell him now and that they want him to play the Libertadores.. I hope he keeps his word.. Plus, I think he's worth a lot more than that.. I just hope that Aguilar doesn't act like a dumbass and accepts any proposal.. He has to be more like Macri, who rejects several offers, and gets to squeeze every drop of juice out of the offers he recieves.. He always ends up getting a good sum of money and gets to keep the players for a few years.. That's how it should be.. I value Belluschi at $20,000,000 dollars minimum.. :cool:

[west501]

here's what I don't get, river sold the rights to the future contracts of the players for pennies last month
now that belluschi is priced at over 10millionU$D, why couldn't they wait..for the love of god
same thing with higuaín, he's going to go to europe for a huge mound of cash, but river sold the rights to an agency to take him to europe
I just don't understand this madness..they're screwing themselves out of millions of dollars

[lamashtu]

Zapata: F-U-C-K YOU!!! I hate him more week after week.. The guy is a complete fuck up whose been fuckin up since he arrived at River seven years ago. I cannot understand what he's doin in River (yes, I've said that in 95% of my reviews :D ).. I would prefer to see Sambueza instead, or Belluschi in that position meanwhile Augusto Fernandez takes the left side.. We even have more options.. Abelarias didn't do bad vs. Boca, and is very young.. Meanwhile Oyola may not be the best option ever, but he's still a thousand times better than this fag.. No more Zapata.. please!!!!! :(


Finally somebody echoes my very own sentiments about the guy :) It has been a total mystery to me why coach after coach decided to stick with him. He is a total diaster. And with Sambu on the bench I just cannot for the life of me understand ...

On the Belluschi scare: he is going to go and sooner rather than later. Which is going to be a catastrophe since he is singlehandedly -- OK, in tandem with Pipita -- responsible for the upsurge of River's footballing quality in recent months.

[chauchey]

here's what I don't get, river sold the rights to the future contracts of the players for pennies last month
now that belluschi is priced at over 10millionU$D, why couldn't they wait..for the love of god
same thing with higuaín, he's going to go to europe for a huge mound of cash, but river sold the rights to an agency to take him to europe
I just don't understand this madness..they're screwing themselves out of millions of dollars

Because the guys who are making the decision to sell the players, are getting a kickback from the agency's if they sell them early. At least, thats the only reason i can think of. Thats reasonable anyways. I mean, these managers are footballing managers, they should know talent when they see it. :o :(

[River]

Noo! I just read that Boca is interested in reinforcing their squad by bringing in Luciano Figueroa.. :mad: If he arrives at Boca, I swear I will literally buy a plane ticket to Argentina and personally murder him. He is a great player who did great in River the few games that he played.. If it were players like Luduena (just an example), I wouldn't really care if they arrived at Boca, despite their past in River.. But Figueroa is not only an ex-millonario, but also an amazing player..

After hearing this news, I ask.. why don't we go after him? I understand that we currently aren't in the best economic situation, but he would be arriving at Boca on loan if the offer was to be accepted.. How much could a loan possibly cost?

He already proved to be a great player in River the few games he played, and it would be fantastic to see him back for the Copa Libertadores 2007. Plus, it seems as if Higuain will be leaving River soon.. Ortega is obviously not in conditions to be a starter in River, specially if we want to win such a tough tournament like the Libertadores.. Falcao is not fit now.. I am not saying he wont be by next year, but how knows.. When we played vs. Paranaense without Higuain on the field, our offense looked clueless.. We were clearly missing offensive power.. I think it would be fantastic to see him return to River.

In other news, Passarella requested Marco Ruben as a reinforcement for 2007. He is a great foward who currently plays for Rosario Central. At only 19 years of age, he already has 15 goals in Primera, and 4 in 9 games in the current Apertura.. When asked about a possible transfer to River, he said he would love to join the team.. I really hope this one does go through.

[cavenaghi]

I've personaly never liked Figueroa but you're right, if we lose Pipita and Bellu we should better have someone like him as a striker.
Btw, Pipita had the first major report on him in a big french tv show last week. Doesn't seem like he will change is mind about the nationality question :(

[River]

Augusto Fernandez had his right knee operated today and will be out for the rest of the year. :(

Here are the games that the top 8 still have to play:

River (27): Independiente (V), San Lorenzo (L), Estudiantes (V), Gimnasia LP (L), Godoy Cruz (V), Chicago (L) y Vélez (V).

Boca (25): Argentinos (L), Arsenal (V), Quilmes (L), Gimnasia J. (V), Colón (L), Belgrano (V) y Lanús (L). + Suspended Matches: Gimnasia (LP) (V), Racing (V).

Estudiantes (25): Chicago (L), Vélez (V), River (L), Newell's (V), Racing (L), Argentinos (V) y Arsenal (L).

Arsenal (22): Belgrano (V), Boca (L), Banfield (V), Central (L), Independiente (V), San Lorenzo (L) y Estudiantes (V). + Suspended Match: Godoy Cruz (V).

Vélez (22): San Lorenzo (V), Estudiantes (L), Gimnasia LP (V), Godoy Cruz (L), Chicago (V), Lanús (V) y River (L). + Suspended Match: Colon (V).

Racing (20): Banfield (V), Central (L), Independiente (V), San Lorenzo (L), Estudiantes (V), Gimnasia LP (L) y Godoy Cruz (V). + Suspended Match: Boca (L).

Independiente (19): River (L), Newell's (V), Racing (L), Argentinos (V), Arsenal (L), Quilmes (V) y Gimnasia J. (L).

San Lorenzo (19): Vélez (L), River (V), Newell's (L), Racing (V), Argentinos (L), Arsenal (V) y Quilmes (L).

** (L) = Home Game, (V) = Away Game.

5-0.. :D

Carrizo was fantastic.. He was amazing.. The only thing he did wrong was to not do a fast counterattack after stopping Saja's shot..

Ferrari was great.. He was fast, ran a lot, gave some nice passes.. I was really satisfied with his performance today.

Good job by Farias with the two goals..

As much as I hate Zapata, I have to admit he had a really good game today.. But just because we are talking about Zapata, I will not say anything else.. :D

Orteeeeega, Orteeeeeega... DAAAAAYYYYYUUUUMMMM, What a goal!! I almost broke down in tears when I saw him celebrate the goal (just like vs. Racing).. He seemed so happy and like he wouldn't have taken anything in exchange for that moment.. I am really glad for him and hope he keeps up that level.

Overall, I applaud the whole team.. I feel like nobody did anything wrong.. Even Jesus Mendez came in and created a great play that ended up in CASLA's net.

Gracias River!

[visitor]

hi guys, i wanna ask that someone of you will cap the match Racing vs River Plate apertura 2001,plz :)

[cavenaghi]

hi guys, i wanna ask that someone of you will cap the match Racing vs River Plate apertura 2001,plz :)
You mean that game (http://www.fbtz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52441)?
So, you'd like a reseed?

[visitor]

yes, that game, maybe you could cap?

[cavenaghi]

yes, that game, maybe you could cap?
You mean you want a torrent?

[visitor]

You mean you want a torrent?

torrent or http, i think http would be better :)

[River]

11/26/06 -

Gonzalo Higuain: Los dirigentes de River, cansados y molestos con la insistencia del entorno del jugador, esperan que en los próximos días llegue un nuevo fax con una propuesta más tentadora (arriba de los 10 millones de euros) que les permita bajarle el martillo a la transferencia del Pipita.

Federico Higuain: "Hay varios clubes interesados en llevárselo ahora", contó hace unos días Jorge Higuaín. Como la cesión es hasta junio del 07, los directivos ya evalúan cómo podrían resarcir al equipo de Mataderos en caso de que el otro punta también cruce el Atlántico.

Cristian Villagra: En la semana continuarán las charlas para comprar el pase del lateral de Central.

Juan Manuel Torres: El volante central está colgado en Racing porque quedará libre en junio próximo. River le hara una buena oferta a Torres y al mismo tiempo compensar a Blanquiceleste con efectivo y, tal vez, con algún futbolista.

Danilo Gerlo: Este podría haber sido su último encuentro con la camiseta de River: hay muchas posibilidades que emigre a Tigres de México a cambio de 1.250.000 dólares. River es el dueño del 50 por ciento del pase del defensor.
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Gonzalo Higuain: River's "dirigentes", tired and annoyed by the insistence of the player's surroundings, are expecting to recieve a new fax within the next few days that includes a more tempting offer (over 10 million euros).

Federico Higuain: "There are several clubs who are interested in taking him now", said Jorge Higuain. Since the loan is until June 2007, the directives are now trying to find a way to repay Nueva Chicago in case he, like his brother, crosses the Atlantic.

Cristian Villagra: River will continue negociating the transfer of the defender throughout this week.

Juan Manuel Torres: The midfielder is not playing in Racing because he will become a free agent in June. River will make a good offer to Torres, and, at the same time, compensate Racing with cash and perhaps a player.

Danilo Gerlo: This might have been his last match with River's jersey: there is a big possibility that he will move to Tigres of Mexico in exchange for $1,250,000 dollars. River owns 50% of the defender.

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11/27/06 -

Diego Galván: Estudiantes de La Plata pretende quedarse con el. El equipo platense deberá competir con una oferta de otro equipo mexicano.

Paulo Ferrari: Es pretendido por Sevilla de España. Igual, Mario Israel aseguro que el ex-Central continuará en el club.

Julio César Cáceres: El Kaiser lo quiere. El paraguayo también dice que quiere venir a Buenos Aires con su familia. "Vamos a hacer una gestión en los próximos días, pero si no se resuelve rápido lo dejaremos ahí", dijo un dirigente.

Eduardo Tuzzio: Podria ser transferido. :(

Chelito Delgado: Los dirigentes quieren acercar al delantero para cubrir la posible venta del Pipita Higuaín. "Passarella no nos pidió a Delgado, pero es un delantero de capacidad. Me parece más probable que lo de Castromán", dijo Mario Israel.

Rubens Sambueza, Marcelo Sosa, Matias Oyola y Lucas Mareque: Podrian ser transferidos.
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Diego Galván: Estudiantes de La Plata wants to keep him. They must compete with another Mexican team who wants him.

Paulo Ferrari: Sevilla of Spain wants him. Still, Mario Israel assured that the ex Rosario Central player will stay.

Julio César Cáceres: Passarella wants him. The Paraguayan also says he wants to return to Buenos Aires with his family. "We are going to get in contact within the next few days, but if it isn't resolved quickly, we will just leave it there", said a dirigente.

Eduardo Tuzzio: There is a possibility of him being transferred. :(

Chelito Delgado: The dirigentes want to bring in the foward to fill in Higuain's spot if he is sold. "Passarella didn't request him, but he is a quality foward. I find his transfer more possible than Castroman's", said Mario Israel.

Rubens Sambueza, Marcelo Sosa, Matias Oyola y Lucas Mareque: They might be transferred.

[cavenaghi]

YOU WANT TO BE PART OF THE BUSH FAMILY?
BECOME A BOCA FAN!!!!

"Las mellizas Bush fueron a La Bombonera"
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/anexos/imagen/06/598500.JPG

:cool:

[west501]

dios mio, diego must have been pissed

[chauchey]

YOU WANT TO BE PART OF THE BUSH FAMILY?
BECOME A BOCA FAN!!!!

"Las mellizas Bush fueron a La Bombonera"
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/anexos/imagen/06/598500.JPG

:cool:
who are those girls in the photo, besides Diego's daughter?

[deviant]

who are those girls in the photo, besides Diego's daughter?
he just said, George Bush's daughters.

[west501]

http://www.ole.clarin.com/diario/2006/11/28/um/fotos/golf.jpg
¡gallardo golfs! (http://www.ole.clarin.com/jsp/v4/pagina.jsp?pagId=01318032&fecha=20061128)
can't say I saw this one coming..that there is an example of footballer sticking out like a sore thumb on the golf course

[River]

12/06/06 -

Juan Pablo Carrizo: Milan apunta a un recambio generacional de arqueros y JP integra una lista de candidatos. En River dicen que el arquero se va sólo si la oferta supera los 8 millones.

German Montoya: Aunque Carrizo se quede, los dirigentes igual quieren un arquero. En Belgrano piden $2.500.000 dolares.

Justo Villar: El Paraguayo es otro que River mira.

Oscar Cardozo: López, presidente de Newell's, pidió $10.000.000 de dólares por el paraguayo goleador. Igualmente, Newell''s aún no es dueño del paraguayo porque no pagó la opción de u$s 1.200.000, deuda que pretende cancelar con el dinero de River.

Gastón Fernández: River cerro la venta del delantero al Monterrey por $1.600.000 dolares.

Facundo Quiroga: Reemplaza a JC Cáceres, ya descartado. Como el Wolfsburgo quiere comprar el otro 50% de Juan Carlos Menseguez, el ex central de Newell''s (que siempre gustó en Núñez) entró en la negociación. Ya casi es jugador de River: sólo faltarían detalles.

Ronald Raldes: El boliviano se recupera de un desgarro de 17 milímetros en la zona que une el gemelo con el tendón de Aquiles (pierna izquierda) pero estaría en condiciones de empezar la pretemporada. Astrada se lo recomendó a Passarella.

Walter Erviti: Lo que parece difícil que River arregle con este club es la transferencia del ex volante de San Lorenzo que Passarella dirigió en México, ya que el DT Miguel Herrera declaró que Erviti es fundamental para su equipo.

Fernando Belluschi: Su representante verá el domingo Atlético-Espanyol y se juntará con el director deportivo del club madrileño. El volante, tasado en 12.000.000 de euros, tiene a favor que desde ayer es jugador comunitario. Y en la negociación podría ingresar Luciano Galletti.

Marcelo Gallardo: Hay un interés del Paris Saint Germain. Si la oferta es concreta, el Muñeco podría volver a Francia.
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Juan Pablo Carrizo: Milan wants to change it's current goalkeepers, and JP is part of the list of candidates. In River they claim that they will only sell the player if the offer is over 8 million dollars.

German Montoya: Even if Carrizo stays, the dirigentes still want a goalkeeper. Belgrano wants $2,500,000 dollars for him.

Justo Villar: The Paraguayan is another option.

Oscar Cardozo: Lopez, president of Newell's, requested $10,000,000 dollars for the Paraguayan. Still, Newell's is not the owner of the player because they haven't payed the $1,200,000 option, a fee that they expect to pay with River's money.

Gastón Fernández: River closed the transfer of the foward to Monterrey for $1,600,000 dollars.

Facundo Quiroga: He replaces Caceres from the list. Since Wolfsburg wants to buy the other 50% of Juan Carlos Menseguez, the ex-Newell's defender (whom was always liked in River) entered in the negociation. He is almost a River player: there are only a few details to resolve.

Ronald Raldes: The Bolivian is recovering from an injury on his left leg, but he would be in conditions to begin the pre-season. Astrada recommended him to Passarella.

Walter Erviti: It seems hard for River to complete the transfer of the ex-San Lorenzo player who was coached by Passarella in Mexico. Monterrey's coach, Miguel Herrera, claims that Erviti is a fundamental part of the team.

Fernando Belluschi: His representative will watch Atletcio-Espanyol and will meet with the Sports Director of the club. The midfielder, valued at $12,000,000 euros, has in favor the fact that he is a communitary player. Luciano Galleti could enter in the negociation.

Marcelo Gallardo: Paris Saint Germain is interested in him. If the offer is concrete, el Muñeco could return to France.

[cavenaghi]

Gastón Fernández: River cerro la venta del delantero al Monterrey por $1.600.000 dolares.
Shit, I've always liked la Gata and hoped for his return (and no, I'm not a girl!!!! :D ).

Marcelo Gallardo: Hay un interés del Paris Saint Germain. Si la oferta es concreta, el Muñeco podría volver a Francia.
Every semester, Gallardo is announced returning in France. Marseille before, now Paris. So I have doubts about this move. Until now, the main problem was his expensive cost, now that he plays less often with River plus the fact that he's getting old (almost 31), the price should be more interesting for Paris.
But I really think he won't move to France. It's too late for him.

[River]

Every semester, Gallardo is announced returning in France.
Hmmm, really? Check this out:

It is official: Marcelo Gallardo will no longer be a River player. They are not yet sure where he will be going, but it will probably be France. He also has offers from Turkey and Mexico.

http://www.infobae.com/notas/nota.php?Idx=290490&IdxSeccion=100

I am fine with this. Gallardo has had good games, but River plays a lot better without him (i.e. - vs. Boca in 2004 for the second match of the semis in the Copa Libertadores, vs. Boca this year, etc.).

Here is an opinion I read, coming from a River e-mail list I'm in:
"Yo lo que más recuerdo del muñeco es el penal que le atajó Córdoba en cancha de River, la expulsión por cagón en la semi de la libertadores contra la bosta, los 2857 tiro libres que pegaron en la barrera y generaron contragolpes, y ni hablar de los que fueron por arriba del travesaño...Por todo esto y por tu camarilla eterna, te deseo lo mejor muñe, ojalá te vaya bárbaro así no volvés más. Gracias por todo!"
That may be kind of harsh, but it's true. Gallardo has gotten several red cards when it was unnecessary... And I cannot agree more with the free-kicks statement. He has become a horrible freekick taker, but he always shoots them, even though we have some players who are great at that (Belluschi, Sambueza.. Even Zapata is better at them :p ).

Still, thanks Gallardo for games like the one vs. Sao Paulo when you first returned.. Thank you, but your time has passed, and it's been obvious for a while now. It's sad to say, but we needed to get rid of players like this if we wanted to win the Libertadores. We needed players like Belluschi, and with him playing at his best level (without Gallardo), we have a better shot of actually winning something this time.

As for which player will take his playmaker role, there are some options:

- Belluschi.. He played some of his best games in that position. Ferrari or Augusto could play as the #8's.
- Augusto Fernandez.. That was his original position. He was a playmaker his whole life until recent times.. And not only was he a playmaker, but according to many he was an amazing playmaker (many clubs had tried to take him before he even played in Primera).
- Sambueza.. He has what it takes to play in that position, and without Gallardo and with more minutes, he might regain his confidence and return to his original self we had seen a few years ago.
- Buonanotte.. I read an article two years ago saying that he would be ready to play in Primera in "about one or two years".. The time has passed.. He's been working out and has gained a lot of muscle (that was what Passarella claimed he needed to be ready to play for the first team). Is this his chance?

I wouldn't mind seeing another #10 coming in.. We have some options, Buonanotte perhaps being the most exciting, but it wouldn't hurt to bring in a good playmaker.. Montenegro would be fantastic, but we can't bring him in economically.. So who else?.... I want to see Buonanotte play in the Torneo de Verano, and then see if he's ready.

Patino, San Martin, Alvarez, Oberman, Gallardo. 5 down, 1 more to go (Zapata :D).

[cavenaghi]

Hmmm, really? Check this out:
It is official: Marcelo Gallardo will no longer be a River player. They are not yet sure where he will be going, but it will probably be France. He also has offers from Turkey and Mexico.
Leaving River doesn't mean he will come to France... and to PSG. They always announce him in France because that's the only place where he's been, outside of Argentina. I don't think his reputation is as good as it was only few months ago. But once again the fact that he's much less expensive than before could play in his favour. We'll see soon enough.

"Yo lo que más recuerdo del muñeco es el penal que le atajó Córdoba en cancha de River, la expulsión por cagón en la semi de la libertadores contra la bosta, los 2857 tiro libres que pegaron en la barrera y generaron contragolpes, y ni hablar de los que fueron por arriba del travesaño...Por todo esto y por tu camarilla eterna, te deseo lo mejor muñe, ojalá te vaya bárbaro así no volvés más. Gracias por todo!"
Great analysis! :D
Still, I've always liked Gallardo, he's a typical millonario, and it was more sad than anything to see him being so useless on the pitch during the last months. Hope he will be able to produce some great football again with his future team. Wherever it will be. Even in France... :rolleyes:

[River]

Great game by Higuain. This just made me realize that not only does Belluschi benefit from Gallardo's absense, but so does Gonzalo. Think about it: the last time Higuain scored a goal was vs. Boca, when Gallardo didn't play. It was also the last time Higuain actually had a really good game. Today, without Gallardo, he shined once again and was River's best player.

Carrizo did good.. He didn't have much to do, but when he did, he made great saves. He was misfortunate on the goal. Hopefully Milan doesn't take him. :(

Tuzzio was our best defender. Velez couldn't pass him. Another player who did good today.

Zapata was useless. He didn't do shit (like always) and it seemed as if we were playing with one man less than Velez from the start. Now Passarella asked him to please stay with River, so instead of waiting till we sell him, I guess I'll have to count the days till he retires.. :mad:

I didn't want Castroman to join River before this game, but after the 90 minutes I want him even less. He didn't wasn't extreeeemely horrible, but I just don't want River to spend millions on a player like him.

12/11/06 -

Facundo Quiroga: La negociación está estancada. River debe comprarlo o arreglar un préstamo con el Wolfsburgo, dueño de la mitad del pase, ya que no entraría en la operación Menseguez (River conserva el 50%). Además, el ex defensor de Newell''s tiene un contrato en Alemania que River no podría equiparar.

Cristian Villagra: Central lo cotizó en 3.000.000 de dólares y espera una respuesta por escrito de River. La cifra es elevada si se tiene en cuenta que en enero pagó 1.200.000 por Paulo Ferrari, un lateral de más trayectoria. Eso está demorando un pase que parecía inminente.

Marcelo Gallardo: Ayer acordó con los dirigentes su desvinculación del club y ahora deben documentarle una importante deuda por primas atrasadas. El Muñeco se va de Núñez con el pase en su poder, ya que River nunca efectivizó la compra. Entre hoy y mañana se podría oficializar su transferencia al Paris Saint Germain.

Mariano Pavone: Estudiantes demoró las charlas iniciales hasta que se defina el Apertura, pero parece dispuesto a escuchar una oferta de River, porque el Pincha quiere comprar a Diego Galván, por quien tiene opción. Ojo que a La Volpe también le gusta el Tanque, aunque eso dependerá de si el técnico continúa o no en Boca.

Oscar Cardozo: River trata de bajar las pretensiones de López, el presidente de Newell''s (pidió u$s 10.000.000). Va a esperar, además, la concreción de la venta de Higuaín y el desarrollo del caso Pavone.

Marcos Ruben: El delantero de Central es otra opcion.

Jeronimo Morales Neumann: River dejo libre al pibe que le metio un golazo a Gimnasia (LP) el semestre pasado. Tambien se fueron Faurlin y Herrero, otros dos juveniles.

Gonzalo Higuain: River le pidio $13.000.000 euros al Real Madrid por la transferencia del Pipita. Si se concreta el pase, intentaran traer a dos delanteros.
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Facundo Quiroga: The negociations have slowed down. River must buy him or arrange a loan with Wolfburg, owner of half of the transfer, since Menseguez wouldn't be part of the operation (River wants to keep the other 50%). Plus, the ex Newell's defender is being paid a good contract in Germany, something that River wouldn't be able to equalize.

Cristian Villagra: Central gave him a $3,000,000 dollar value and is waiting for a reply. The price is elevated, considering that River paid $1,200,000 dollars for Paulo Ferrari, a player with more experience, in January. This is what is making the transfer take so long.

Marcelo Gallardo: Yesterday he agreed his exit from the club and now the dirigentes must pay him an important debt. The Muñeco will leave Nuñez as a free agent, since River never really bought him. His arrival to Paris Saint Germain might become official between today and tomorrow.

Mariano Pavone: Estudiantes wants to postpone the initial chats until after the definition of the Apertura, but they seem to be interested in listening to River's offer since they want to buy Diego Galvan. Careful, La Volvpe also like "el Tanque", but that would depend on the coach's stay or departure from Boca.

Oscar Cardozo: River is trying to lower Lopez's pretensions (he requested $10,000,000). They will wait for Higuain's sale and Pavone's situation to be cleared up.

Marcos Ruben: Central's foward is another option.

Jeronimo Morales Neumann: River let the youngster, who scored a golazo against Gimnasia (LP) last semester, free.

Gonzalo Higuain: River wants $13,000,000 euros from Real Madrid for his transfer. If he leaves, the Millonarios will try to bring in two fowards.


OK, SORRY VIP..
I guess you can't post much in these forums.. So I'm going to stop posting transfer news here.. If anyone is interested, they could visit the following link:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10239521#post10239521

I post transfer news there everyday.

[cavenaghi]

OK, SORRY VIP..
I guess you can't post much in these forums.. So I'm going to stop posting transfer news here.. If anyone is interested, they could visit the following link:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10239521#post10239521
You can post as much as you want, the only rule is that if you were the last person to post in a thread, edit your post instead of writting a new one.
Pretty simple. Your transfer news are much appreciated in here. And sometimes your informations are good ;) . Like for this one for example:
Marcelo Gallardo: Yesterday he agreed his exit from the club and now the dirigentes must pay him an important debt. The Muñeco will leave Nuñez as a free agent, since River never really bought him. His arrival to Paris Saint Germain might become official between today and tomorrow.
I was very reticent to believe you on this one, cause I think it's a bad move for both Gallardo and PSG. But the informations from France show that this move should be official very soon.
Sorry for doubting :( . Hope you will be that good on the Pavone case too :rolleyes:

[River]

There are rumours that River has offered Rosario Central $7,500,000 dollars for Marco Ruben, Villagra, and Ojeda (goalkeeper)..

Hopefully it goes through.. It may seem like a lot of money, but is it? Central had asked for $3,500,000 for Villagra and $5,000,000 for Ruben.. That's $8,500,000 for the first two alone.. I think the money would be worth it for a few reasons:

1) If Aguilar doesn't spend the money on them, would he end up spending money on anyone else?
2) Villagra is a very promising, young defender.. Boca and Villarreal want him, and Basile is keeping an eye on him for the NT in the future..
3) Ruben reminds me a lot of Belluschi.. Not on the style of play or position, obviously, but on the situation.. Many were saying $5,500,000 was too much for Belluschi, and his value ended up rising in River.. Ruben is very, very, very young (20 years old), but he already has plenty of goals in Primera (about 20).. He seems like he has a bright future ahead of him, and I think we should give him a shot.
4) Ojeda is a good goalkeeper.. He may not be the best in the world, but we need players in that position now that Lux is gone, and I wouldn't mind seeing him be Carrizo's alternative..

I hope this is true.. This information came from someone who works for Clarin, but it's hard to believe with Aguilar in charge of River's finances.. Then again, it seemed impossible for Belluschi to join the club, but he came.. So why not dream this time too?
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It seems as if it wasn't just a rumour.. It has now appeared on Ole, and they claim it has some good possibilities of going through. River would pay between 7 and 8 million dollars for the three, and would include a percentage of future transfers..

The dirigentes are also trying to bring in Ezequiel Lavezzi, of San Lorenzo.. They plan on making a good offer for 50% of the transfer..

Meanwhile, el Piojo Lopez, unwanted in America (Mexico), was also offered.

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Well, it seems as if Lavezzi won't be joining River.. :mad: San Lorenzo declared him untransferable, something that is supposedly linked directly to Ramon Diaz's arrival at the club..

Meanwhile, other fowards will be joining the club.. Estudiantes wanted to keep Galvan, but they weren't able to find the money to take advantage of the option.. It also seemed as if la Gata Fernandez was going to say in Monterrey, but he will be returning on the first day of pre-season training..

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River has offered Estudiantes $4,000,000 dollars plus Diego Galvan in exchange for Mariano Pavone..

I doubt they will accept it since this same week they rejected a $4,000,000 euro offer from Genoa of Italy.

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12/26/06 -

Marco Ruben, Cristian Villagra, y Juan Ojeda: Central aprobó la venta del trio en u$s 7.600.000. Hoy cerrará con River.

Julio C. Cáceres: El paraguayo ya dio el okey por el contrato de tres años, pero el Nantes aún no contestó la propuesta de River (2.000.000 de dólares). Mientras, algunos medios mexicanos publicaron que la llegada del defensor a los Tigres ahora está complicada (ya lo habían anunciado más de tres veces). "Es un buen síntoma", dicen los allegados a Cáceres, aunque los dirigentes de River mantienen la cautela.

Roberto Ayala: Los dirigentes pensaron en él como una posibilidad en caso de que no prospere la negociación con Cáceres. El Ratón está de vacaciones en Paraná y ya comunicó su deseo: a pesar de que no esté jugando en el Valencia, quiere quedarse dos años más en Europa. Por eso, si no es el paraguayo surgirán otra vez los nombres de Facundo Quiroga y Mauricio Romero.

Lucas Mareque: Hoy quedarían resueltas las últimas diferencias y se cerraría la operación con un grupo empresario, que pagará 700.000 dólares para llevarlo al Porto.

Gastón Fernández: El interés de Racing disminuyó: River no acepta un préstamo.

Mario Bolatti: Belgrano quiere a Sambueza, pero también algo de efectivo.

Ezequiel Lavezzi: "No es que Lavezzi se quiere ir de San Lorenzo. Se quiere ir a River, que no es lo mismo", dice su representante. "Savino habló hace un mes con el jugador, cuando estaba concentrado para el partido con Racing que luego se suspendió, y le dijo que iba a tratar de venderlo". San Lorenzo quiere los 4.000.000 libres de impuestos y River estaría dispuesto a satisfacerlo.
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12/26/06 -

Marco Ruben, Cristian Villagra, and Juan Ojeda: Central approved the transfers of the trio for $7,600,000 dollars. The transaction will be closed today.

Julio C. Cáceres: The Paraguayan made an agreement to sign a contract with River for the next three years, but Nantes still hasn't replied to River's offer ($2,000,000 dollars). Meanwhile, the Mexican press has published some articles stating that the defender's arrival to Tigres is complicated (they've already wanted him three times). "That's a good symptom", say some of Caceres' friends.

Roberto Ayala: The dirigentes thought of him as one of the possibilities incase the Caceres negociations don't go through. The Raton is on vacation in Parana and has already stated his intentions: despite not playing in Valencia, he wants to stay for two more years in Europe. That's why, if it's not the Paraguayan, River will go after Facundo Quiroga and Mauricio Romero.

Lucas Mareque: A business group will buy him for $700,000 dollars and take him to Porto. The agreement will be made today.

Gastón Fernández: Racing's interest has disappeared: River will not accept any loan offers.

Mario Bolatti: Belgrano wants Sambueza, but also some cash.

Ezequiel Lavezzi: "It's not that Lavezzi wants to leave San Lorenzo. He wants to join River, that's not the same thing", says his representative. "Savino talked to him a month a go, when he was concentrating for the match vs. Racing which was later suspended, and he told him that he was going to try to sell him". San Lorenzo wants $4,000,000 dollars free of taxes, and River is willing to satisfy their request.

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Well the trio have now passed their physical check-ups, and are basically River players now.. They should be presented within the next few days. The package will also include a percentage of three youngsters, whom which River will have priority to buy over any other club (if there are two equal offers, one from River and one from, let's say Boca, they will accept River's).

Meanwhile, Caceres won't be joining River.. Nantes liked Tigres' offer more, so he'll be joining the Mexican side. River will go after Mauricio Romero, of Lanus, and Facundo Quiroga, who plays for Wolfsburg, instead.

[cavenaghi]

Marco Ruben, Cristian Villagra, and Juan Ojeda: Central approved the transfers of the trio for $7,600,000 dollars. The transaction will be closed today.
Great news! And the price is quite fair for two such promising players :)
Gastón Fernández: Racing's interest has disappeared: River will not accept any loan offers.
So, if nothing moves, will he come back to play for River or return to Mexico? :confused:

[River]

So, if nothing moves, will he come back to play for River or return to Mexico? :confused:

He has no transfer offers, only loan ones.. So so far he is expected to show up on the first day of pre-season training alongside all of his other teammates.

[cavenaghi]

He has no transfer offers, only loan ones.. So so far he is expected to show up on the first day off pre-season training alongside all of his other teammates.
I think it would be great for us to have him. He's still young and talented. Didn't play much as a millonario but was very good with Racing.
But what do you think about la Gata? Is he on your "kill'em" list? :rolleyes:

[River]

I think it would be great for us to have him. He's still young and talented. Didn't play much as a millonario but was very good with Racing.
But what do you think about la Gata? Is he on your "kill'em" list? :rolleyes:

I actually like him a lot.. He was great before he got injured.. My biggest memory of him with our jersey was when he scored that goal against Boca for the Clausura 2004.. He was very important for the team's title win, and after hearing about him regaining his for in Mexico, I would like him to return..

Meanwhile, it's complicated for Lavezzi to join our club.. Savino, San Lorenzo's President, rejected River's $4,000,000 offer and requested 8 million. :eek: This doesn't completely discard his possibilities of joining River since his representative wants the transaction to go through, but it is really complicated..

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12/29/06 -

Leonardo Ponzio: Los españoles cotizaron al lateral en cuatro millones de euro, pero el ex-Newell's estaría entusiasmado con jugar la Libertadores. Encima no es titular en el Zaragoza. ¿Entonces? En River piensan en incorporarlo a préstamo con una opción de compra, o adquirir sólo el 50% de su pase.

Ezequiel Lavezzi: San Lorenzo, que lo había declarado intransferible, ahora lo vendería si la oferta llega al menos a los $5.000.000 de dólares. River les ofrecerá unos 5,5 millones limpios al club de Boedo (la cifra global rondaría entre seis y siete millones).

Mariano Pavone: Estudiantes rechazo la oferta de River, pero en Núñez consiguieron un grupo inversor como socio y entonces la operación sería de casi 7 millones de dólares, y entraría solamente dinero.

Facundo Quiroga: Sigue siendo el primer candidato para reforzar la defensa. Si no llega, la idea es buscar un extranjero, ya que los del mercado local no terminan de convencer o cuestan una fortuna. Se habla del paraguayo Carlos Baez (Cerro Porteño) y del uruguayo Diego Godín (Nacional).

Walter García: Passarella insiste en que traigan a Quiroga, pero avisó que no cierren del todo el tema de García.

Gabriel Paletta: Fue ofrecido pero no lo convence al entrenador (que raro.. él mismo quería a Paletta para la Libertadores pasada.. :rolleyes: )

Lucas Mareque: Al DT le dieron ganas de tenerlo, pero habló por teléfono con el lateral y le dio vía libre para que cierre su incorporación al Porto. Viajaría el martes.

Sambueza y Oyola: Belgrano sigue interesado en llevárselos. Pero por ahora no hay arreglo.

Darío Conca: Viajará el lunes a Brasil para incorporarse, a préstamo, al Vasco da Gama. Será su cuarto prestamo consecutivo: Estuvo en la Universidad Católica dos veces, y en Rosario Central el semestre pasado.

Jesús Méndez: Es pretendido por Nueva Chicago.
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Leonardo Ponzio: The Spaniards valued him at four million euros, but the ex-Newell's player is enthusiastic about playing the Libertadores. Plus, he is not a starter for Zaragoza. So what's the plan? River expects to bring him in through a loan with an option for a future transfer, or just purchase 50% of his transfer.

Ezequiel Lavezzi: San Lorenzo, who had previously declared him untransferable, now is willing to sell him if the offer exceeds $5,000,000 dollars. River will offer $5,500,000 to CASLA on Tuesday (the total would be between six and seven million).

Mariano Pavone: Estudiantes rejected River's offer, but in Núñez they managed to partner up with a business group and make and offer worth almost 7 million dollars, and would include only money.

Facundo Quiroga: He is still the first candidate to reinforce the defence. If he doesn't arrive, the plan is to bring in a foreign player since the players from the Argentine League either don't convince or cost a fortune. The Paraguayan Carlos Baez (Cerro Porteño) and the Uruguayan Diego Godin (Nacional) are some of the possibilities.

Walter García: Passarella insists on bringing Quiroga, but asked that they don't completely close the negociations for Garcia.

Gabriel Paletta: He was offered but doesn't convince the coach (how strange.. he himself had requested the defender as reinforcement for the last Libertadores.. :rolleyes: )

Lucas Mareque: The coach ended up wanting him, but decided to let him go on with his carreer. He will fly to Portugal on Tuesday.

Sambueza and Oyola: Belgrano is still interested in taking them. For now, there is no agreement.

Darío Conca: He will fly to Brazil on Monday to join Vasco da Gama on loan. This will be his fourth loan in a row: He's went to Universidad Católica twice, and was at Rosario Central last semester.

Jesús Méndez: Nueva Chicago is interested in him.

[cavenaghi]

I actually like him a lot.. He was great before he got injured.. My biggest memory of him with our jersey was when he scored that goal against Boca for the Clausura 2004.. He was very important for the team's title win, and after hearing about him regaining his for in Mexico, I would like him to return..
I knew you were great :D

Mariano Pavone: Estudiantes rejected River's offer, but in Núñez they managed to partner up with a business group and make and offer worth almost 7 million dollars, and would include only money.
1) Nobody wants him in Europe? 2) So Galvan would come back to River?

Btw, do you have any news about Cristian Fabbiani, el ex de Lanús? Not for playing with River but the guy was fun to watch (on and off the pitch) and it would be great to see him back in Argentina ;)

[River]

1) Nobody wants him in Europe? 2) So Galvan would come back to River?

1) Well so far Genoa and Real Sociedad wanted him.. The Italian's first offered $4,000,000, but were rejected. They then offered 6 million.. I don't think Estudiantes have replied to them yet, but if the news about River and the business group partnering up is true, the offer would be worth one million dollars more.. As for Real Sociedad, they backed down since they claimed they wanted way too much money (same goes for Federico Higuain, wanted by the same team).
2) Estudiantes wanted to keep him but weren't able to manage to find the $950,000 that River had requested for 50% of the transfer. They have till today to make the offer.. Passarella said that he has him in mind for the next semester, but I don't know if he's saying that because he means it or because he wants to raise his value..

Btw, do you have any news about Cristian Fabbiani, el ex de Lanús? Not for playing with River but the guy was fun to watch (on and off the pitch) and it would be great to see him back in Argentina ;)

Nope.. Sorry, I haven't heard anything at all about him, but if I do I'll let you know.

Edit: I did some research and found out that 9 clubs are interested in him (Belgrano, Argentinos Jrs., Godoy Cruz, and Central are just some of them). But he wishes to return to Lanus and the coach wants him, so it seems like he is going to show up on January 8th for Pre-Season training.

[cavenaghi]

What can I say? I'm impressed! :D

EDIT: According to Clarín la Gata could be involved in Pavone's transfer:
Además de las negociaciones con Genoa, Estudiantes también recibió una propuesta de River, que ofreció US$ 5.000.000 más el pase de Gastón Fernández y el 50 por ciento del pase de Diego Galván, cuya cotización es de US$ 950.000.
Source (http://www.clarin.com/diario/2006/12/30/um/m-01336689.htm)

[west501]

we got back la gata..I hope he can make it work this time
a very promising young player

[River]

DAMN!! I think this semester would turn Passarella into the biggest spender in River's history. And no, I'm not complaining, I like it.. I am just surprised by how much money is being spent. In all other seasons we wouldn't even want to spend 1 mill on 5 reinforcements combined (:rolleyes: ), and now it likes 1 mill on one person is way too little. $8,000,000 on Ruben, Villagra, and Ojeda has already been spent.. It is almost for sure that Ponzio will join, and that's another $3,500,000. And River still wants Pavone and Lavezzi, so if one of them comes, it will be atleast $5,500,000. For five players, we would have spent a total of atleast $17,000,000..

Oh, not to mention that last semester when el Kaiser was coaching, we spent $5,500,000 on Belluschi and $2,000,000 on Ortega. That's another $7,500,000.

Does anyone ever remember River spending even 1/4 of that on transfers??

[west501]

It's an absolute priority to win. I also really hope they stop selling our players to evil men like kia joorabchian. Look at the mess he's got Masche (and Tevez) into!

[River]

It's official.. Leonardo Ponzio, who was close to signing for Boca in 2003, is now a River player. Los Millonarios have reached an agreement with Zaragoza to transfer the 2001 U-20 Champion for $3,500,000 dollars.

[cavenaghi]

We're on fire! Who's next? :D

[River]

If Lavezzi comes, this would be my ideal team for 2007:

Carrizo;
Tuzzio-Lussenhoff-Nasuti-Villagra;
A. Fernandez/Galvan-Ponzio-Sambueza;
Belluschi;
Lavezzi-Farias;

On the bench: Lux, Ojeda, Gerlo, Ahumada, Domingo, Ferrari, Zapata (:p), Marco Ruben, Ortega, Falcao, Gaston Fernandez, etc.

Ahumada and Domingo could easily replace Ponzio, Ortega could replace Belluschi, Zapata could easily replace the gardeners :D, Marco Ruben and Gaston Fernandez could easily replace Lavezzi, and Falcao can always come in for Farias..
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What we will probably be seeing:

Carrizo;
Tuzzio-Lussenhoff-Nasuti-Villagra;
Ferrari-Ponzio-Zapata;
Belluschi;
Lavezzi-Farias;

On the bench: Ojeda, Gerlo, Ahumada, Domingo, Augusto Fernandez, Galvan, Sambueza, Marco Ruben, Ortega, Falcao, Gaston Fernandez, etc.

Either way, they are both good teams that give you a reason to have faith on a good season. Hopefully they live up to their hype.

What would your "ideal" team be?

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Nelson Rivas: Alejandro Sabella se llevó varios videos del colombiano para mirar en Mar del Plata. Hay un rumor de que River lo tiene abrochado y se lo daría a San Lorenzo como parte de las negociaciones por Lavezzi. Por ahora el zaguero del Deportivo Cali es sólo una opción más.

Nicolás Pareja: Salió de la lista de candidatos. Tal como había adelantado su representante, Fernando Hidalgo, el jugador no quiere regresar de Europa. Ayer se lo comunicaron oficialmente a los dirigentes de River.

Facundo Quiroga: Aunque es otro que ya dijo que no quiere volver de Alemania, en Núñez creían que cambiaría de opinión al no ser tenido en cuenta en Wolfsburgo. Sin embargo, por el momento no tuvieron novedades suyas.

Ezequiel Lavezzi: San Lorenzo quiere u$s 5 millones limpios, el pase de Zapata y el préstamo de Falcao. Igual, el colombiano dijo que esta muy bien en River. "Estoy en el club donde quiero jugar. Quiero a este club y quiero jugar acá. Jugar más partidos y hacer muchos goles", agregó. Si te gusta, Ramón, mirá los partidos de River.

Rubens Sambueza: El equipo más popular de Brasil está buscando un volante izquierdo y entre las carpetas que manejan los dirigentes del Flamengo apareció el jugador de River. Passarella por ahora lo quiere tener en su plantel, y por eso no se ha ido a Belgrano.

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Nelson Rivas: Alejandro Sabella took several videos of the Colombian with him to Mar del Plata. There is a rumour that River already has everything arranged with him, and would give him to San Lorenzo as part of the negociations for Lavezzi. For now, Deportivo Cali's defender is just another option.

Nicolás Pareja: He is no longer a candidate to reinforce River's defense. Just like Fernando Hidalgo, his representative, had said, the player doesn't want to leave Europe. It was made official to River's dirigentes yesterday.

Facundo Quiroga: Although he is another person who said he didn't want to return from Europe, in Núñez they think that he might change his mind since he is not in Wolfsburg's plans. In fact, at the moment there is no news on him.

Ezequiel Lavezzi: San Lorenzo wants 5 million dollars, the transfer of Zapata and Falcao on loan. Anyway, the Colombian said he is fine in River. "I am at the club I want to play for. I love this club, and I want to play more games here and make more goals", he added. If you like him, Ramon, then just watch River's games.

Rubens Sambueza: The most popular Brazilian club wants the left midfielder and he figures in Flamengo's dirigentes' plans. Passarella wants him on his team, for now, and that is why he hasn't joind Belgrano.

Three: The amount of additional reinforcements expects for the next semester. Since only 5 can be inscribed for the Clausura, two will play the Copa.

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01/05/07 -

Sebastián Leto: Si bien no figuraba entre las prioridades del Kaiser, los dirigentes de River tienen pensado hacer un tirito por el volante de Lanus. Se sabe que en el Sur quieren 3.000.000 de dólares, y también que en River se prendió una señal de alarma porque en las últimas horas surgieron diferencias con la firma del nuevo contrato de Víctor Zapata. :D

Leonardo Ponzio: El DT del Zaragoza confirmó que el ex-jugador de Newell's se va a River.

Villagra, Ruben y Ojeda: Se destrabó la situación y se pudieron sumar hoy al plantel.

Ezequiel Lavezzi: River hizo su última oferta: estaría dispuesto a pagar 4,5 millones de dólares brutos, haciéndose cargo además del 15 por ciento correspondiente al jugador. San Lorenzo, en tanto, quiere entre 5 y 5,5 millones limpios. "En San Lorenzo no juego más", dijo el Pocho lleno de bronca.

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Sebastián Leto: Even though he didn't figure in the list of el Kaiser's priorities, RIver's dirigentes are interested in incorporating Lanus' midfielder. They know that el Granate will want $3,000,000 dollars, and also that an alarm went off in River because in the last few hours there were a few differences with Zapata on his new contract. :D

Leonardo Ponzio: Zaragoza's coach confirmed that the ex-Newell's player is going to play for River.

Villagra, Ruben and Ojeda: The problems were fixed and they were able to join the team today.

Ezequiel Lavezzi: River made their last offer: they are willing to pay $4,500,000 dollars, as well as the 15% that belongs to the player. San Lorenzo, meanwhile, wants between 5 and 5.5 million just for them (not in quotes, just five million in a one-time payment). "I am not going to play for San Lorenzo again", said el "Pocho" furiously.

Nelson Rivas: The Colombian doesn't convince River's dirigentes.

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In other news, "la Gata" Fernandez is said to have scored a golazo in today's training session. Hopefully it's a sign that the old gata we all love is back. :)

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River is now interested in bringing Mauro Rosales if the Lavezzi transfer doesn't go through. For those of you who don't recognize him, he plays in Holland for Ajax, arriving previously from Newell's Old Boys. He took part of the Argentine NT Squad that won the Olympics in 2004. He also won the U-20 World Cup with Argentina in 2001.

[lamashtu]

If Lavezzi comes, this would be my ideal team for 2007:

Carrizo;
Tuzzio-Lussenhoff-Nasuti-Villagra;
A. Fernandez/Galvan-Ponzio-Sambueza;
Belluschi;
Lavezzi-Farias;

On the bench: Lux, Ojeda, Gerlo, Ahumada, Domingo, Ferrari, Zapata (:p), Marco Ruben, Ortega, Falcao, Gaston Fernandez, etc.

What would your "ideal" team be?



Can't resist such an invite :)

Of these guys, I'd go with

Lux
Ferrari, Tuzzio, Nasuti, Villagra
Augusto, Ahumada, Sambueza
Belluschi
Ortega, La Gata

(but I have never seen Lavezzi play)
(and please, could we have just one season without Zapata :( )

[west501]

my turn!

carrizo
ferrari, tuzzio, lussenhoff, villagra
ponzio, belluschi(c), ahumada
ortega
fernandez, farias

when necessary ferrari could switch up a line to play with 3 defenders
I know belluschi loves to play up front but he's good both ways and he could drift to either side and be the late man coming in on the attack..I'd give him the armband too
if lavezzi comes put him in for fernandez but not ortega

edit: olé reports belluschi WILL be the next capitan! (http://www.ole.clarin.com/notas/2007/01/08/01340925.html)
of course you all know what this means: I CALLED IT (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z1M1Do7-B1o)

[River]

01/07/07 -

Ezequiel Lavezzi: A los de Núñez, que se estirarían hasta los 4,5 millones limpios, les juega a favor que el jugador quiere que la transferencia se concrete sí o sí.

Leonardo Ponzio: Hoy reanuda sus funciones Eduardo Bandrés Moliné, presidente del Zaragoza, y firmará los papeles para la desvinculación del que será nuevo volante de River, tras un pago de 3.500.000 dólares. En Mar del Plata esperan al ex Newell''s para esta misma semana.

Sebastián Leto: Lo quiere Passarella y hoy habrá nuevas reuniones. Los dirigentes de Lanús quieren tres millones de dólares por el zurdo volante.

Pablo Aguilar: Es paraguayo, anoche jugó en el Sub 20 contra Bolivia y un rato antes fue ofrecido. Dos integrantes del cuerpo técnico estuvieron pendientes de la tele después de la cena. ¿Será el zaguero que tanto pide el técnico? Por las dudas, el colombiano Nelson Rivas (Deportivo Cali) sigue en las gateras.

Germán Lux: Hoy está prevista una nueva reunión entre los principales dirigentes y el arquero para definir la situación. ¿Quedará libre?
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Ezequiel Lavezzi: In Nuñez they'd be willing to stretch the total to 4.5 million for San Lorenzo. River has an advantage: the player himself wants the transfer to go through.

Leonardo Ponzio: Eduardo Bandres Moline, President of Zaragoza, will sign the documents to make the transfer, worth $3,500,000 dollars, official. In Mar del Plata, they expect the ex-Newell's to join the team this week.

Sebastián Leto: Passarella wants him and there will be new meeting. Lanus' dirigentes want three million dollars for the midfielder.

Pablo Aguilar: He is Paraguayan, and today he played for his U-20 team vs. Bolivia and was offered a while earlier. Two members of the staff watched him on TV after dinner. Is he the defender that the coach wants so badly? Just in case, the Colombian Nelson Rivas (Deportive Cali) is still in mind.

Germán Lux: There is a meeting scheduled for today between the dirigentes and the goalkeeper to define his situation. Will he be left as a free agent?

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Nelson Rivas has reached an agreement with los millonarios. A business group bought him for $1,000,000 dollars and will loan him to River for one year.

This case reminds me A LOT of Diogo's stay at River. He came to the club, but River didn't even own 1% of him. At the end of the semester he attracted several clubs, Real Madrid bought him, and River was left without a defender and without a penny.

Rivas is going to be loaned to River for one year, so I doubt he'll be here when that time is up. Hopefully we can enjoy him while he lasts. (Either way, if he did good and was owned by River, Aguilar would end up selling him.. Atleast we would get some cash though.)

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River wasn't willing to put the $3,600,000 dollars on the table that Lanus wanted for Leto.. :( I had faith that he would come and Zapata would lose his spot.. But what makes me even more upset is that now it seems as if he is going to be transfered to Liverpool. :eek: First off, to attract the interest of an English club, you have to be good. Second, it's not just an English club: It's Liverpool, one of the biggest teams from the country and even the European continent. And third, he's playing for Lanus.. So not only is it a huge thing to attract such a big club itself, but to get attention from them while playing for Lanus is even more important.

Damn, it seems as if he could have been a good player for River.

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01/09/07 -

Nelson Rivas: River no tendrá el problema que yo pensaba que tendría cuando termine el préstamo (quedarse sin él, como pasó con Diogo). Hoy firmó el préstamo y River tendra una opción para comprar el 50% del pase en el futuro.

Leonardo Ponzio: "Estamos terminando detalles con Zaragoza. Desde lo jurídico, necesitamos resolver una cuestión de avales, de lo que se encargará el tesorero (Héctor Grinberg) en estas horas", contó Aguilar. El fin de semana, o antes, Ponzio estaría en la Argentina.

Ezequiel Lavezzi: Por ahora River no puede cumplir con la forma de pago que exige San Lorenzo: 4,5 ó 5 millones de dólares en efectivo. "No es un tema menor", alertó Aguilar. Sin embargo, cuando el presidente regrese de Londres, continuará la negociación: cayó bien que el Pocho se la jugara por River. Passarella lo quiere.

Mauro Rosales: En lista de espera. Si no se concreta lo de Lavezzi, van a ir por el ex Newell's, hoy en Ajax.

Mariano Pavone: Se puede reflotar porque hay un grupo inversor dispuesto a pagar el pase completo. Igual, Estudiantes no se muestra dispuesto.

Pablo Guiñazú: Libertad pide u$s 1.800.000 por todo el pase del Cholo. El secretario Mario Israel prometió una respuesta cuando regrese de Inglaterra.

Federico Fazio: Un empresario lo tiene colocado en el Sevilla. Sin embargo, a River le propusieron que ponga 500.000 dólares para comprarlo y a Passarella le interesa el central de Ferro y del Sub 20.
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Nelson Rivas: River won't have the problem I expected them to have when his loan finishes (lose him and not get anything, just like Diogo's situation). Today he signed the final documents to complete the loan, and River will have the option to buy 50% of his transfer in the future.

Leonardo Ponzio: "We are putting the final touches with Zaragoza. On the legal situation, we need to resolve a problem with the endorsements, something which the Treasurer (Hector Grinberg) will take care of in the next few hours", said Aguilar. This weekend, or earlier, Ponzio will arrive in Argentina.

Ezequiel Lavezzi: For now River won't be able to pay the amount that San Lorenzo wants: 4.5 or 5 million dollars in cash. "This is not a minor subject", Aguilar alerted. In fact, when the President returns from London, he will continue the negociations: they like the fact that el Pocho prefers to play for River. Passarella wants him.

Mauro Rosales: He is on the waiting list. If Lavezzi's transfer doesn't go through, they will go for the ex-Newell's, who is currently playing for Ajax..

Mariano Pavone: It is still a possibility since there is a business group that is willing to pay for 100% of the transfer. Still, Estudiantes isn't showing any signs of being willing to sell him.

Pablo Guiñazú: Libertad wants $1,800,000 dollars for the transfer of "el Cholo". Mario Israel, the Secretary, promised a response when he returns from England.

Federico Fazio: A business group is ready to take him to Sevilla. Despite that, they asked River to put $500,000 dollars to buy him, and Passarella is interested in getting the defender, who plays for Ferro and the U-20 team.

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Well, no matter what your "ideal team" is, there is no doubt we will be seeing good players in River this season, with several options to change the team and be able to fight for both tournaments.

What we have in each position:

Carrizo/Lux (you never know, he might return :))/Ojeda/Leyenda
Ferrari/Ponzio/Tuzzio - Tuzzio/Nasuti/Lussenhoff/Rivas/Gerlo - Villagra
Ponzio/Ahumada/Domingo/Lima/Jesus Mendez
Belluschi/Galvan/Augusto Fernandez/Ferrari/Ponzio - Sambueza/Zapata/Villagra
Belluschi/Augusto Fernandez/Sambueza/Ortega/Buonanotte
Farias/Falcao/Ruben/Ortega/Gaston Fernandez/Juan Antonio

To that list you can also add several youngsters.. Mussachio and San Roman are said to be great defenders, Burzac (a playmaker) and Andres Rios (foward) were promoted from the lower divisions to train with the first team this pre-season. Sciorrilli too was given the same opportunity, and is said to be shining in the practices.

Overall, I think we have good alternatives. As for the Libertadores, "Vengeance is mine" said the Lord, he said it better than all.. :cool:

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Rivas seems to have gotten off at a good start in River.. The other day one of River's defenders was taken out of the team in the training session, for safety precautions. It was just the perfect time for the Colombian to enter the field and show what he can do. I obviously wasn't able to see the practice, but I heard that he impressed.

And now it seems that he didn't only impress, but he made River's dirigentes fall in love with him.. I don't know what he did, but whatever it was it must have been special: According to the Argentine press, River already wants to make use of the option, despite having one year left on his loan.. :eek:

No offense, but I hope this isn't true. I am not saying I don't want to keep him.. I'd actually love to keep him if he's good.. But the thing is, there's one year left and he's on loan. You never know, he might have had a good training session and then the rest of his carreer he is pathetic.. If I were Aguilar, I would wait till the 2008, and then decide. It's not like the value of the option is going to rise by then or anything, it'll be the same..

Anyway, it's a good sign. Hopefully he demonstrates the same thing in the next few friendly matches River will be playing (for the Torneo de Verano), and then in the Copa Libertadores and Torneo Clausura. :)

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Did anybody see today's game vs. Racing? It's good to hear that the real Ortega re-appeared in this game and that the team played well.

Meanwhile, I heard that the Colombian Rivas made his debut and did well.. According to Ole, "los hinchas de River lo ovacionaron".. :eek: First earning the love of the dirigentes, and now the fans.. Not a bad start, right? :D

They will be showing a replay of the game tomorrow at 9 PM Pacific Time on Fox Sports en Espanol. Just because they said Ortega was the player of the game and he controlled River, I think I'll be watching it.. :)

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01/13/07 -

Pablo Vitti: "Es una posibilidad, puede ser una buena inversión, me gusta, sabe jugar al fútbol", dijo el Kaiser sobre el ex Central, a quien compró un grupo inversor con la intención de llevarlo a México, pero podría desembarcar, a préstamo, en Núñez. Otro Canalla mas?

Ezequiel Lavezzi: El mismo grupo que hace cuatro meses invirtió en Gonzalo Higuaín está decidido a poner 7.000.000 de dólares en el club de Núñez, y con ese dinero ahora sí River podrá comprar, al fin, al delantero de San Lorenzo. A cambio no pediría un porcentaje de Lavezzi, sino de Marco Ruben y Cristian Villagra, del que River compró el 80%.
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Pablo Vitti: "It's a possibility. He may be a good investment, I like him, he knows how to play soccer", el Kaiser commented on the ex Rosario Central player, whom an investment group bought with the intentions of taking him to Mexico. Despite that, he may join River on loan. Another Canalla?

Ezequiel Lavezzi: The same group that invested money on Gonzalo Higuain four months ago is willing to give the club from Núñez $7,000,00 dollars, which River plans to use to buy San Lorenzo's foward. In exchange, they don't want a percentage of Lavezzi, but a percentage of Marco Ruben and Cristian Villagra (River owns 80% of each of them).

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01/14/07 -

Andres San Martin: El Pelado se sumará a Arsenal de Sarandi por seis meses a préstamo, sin cargo y sin opción.

Ezequiel Lavezzi: River arregló con Lavezzi su contrato y se hará cargo de su 15%. El miércoles cerrarían los clubes. "Con esto nos retiramos del mercado", afirmó Aguilar, quien hoy visitará a Passarella en Mar del Plata.
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Andres San Martin: The defensive midfielder will join Arsenal de Sarandi for six months, without charge and without a future transfer option.

Ezequiel Lavezzi: River reached an agreement with Lavezzi, regarding his contract, and will take care of his 15%. On Wednesday, the transfer will be closed. "With this, we will be exiting the transfer market", said Aguilar, who will visit Passarella in Mar del Plata today.

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This is what happened with Ortega yesterday, according to Ole:

El Burrito estaba tan contento por el partido que había jugado contra Racing que pensaba dormir una siesta para descansar. Y así lo hizo. A las 17 se cruzó con un integrante del cuerpo técnico en el lobby del hotel Costa Galana y le contó que estaba esperando a su familia, que llegaba a Mar del Plata y se iba a hospedar en el Sheraton. Se sentía entero. Pero tras el reencuentro con Danesa, Sol, Tomás y Manuela, su mujer y sus hijos, empezó otra historia. La más triste. Porque el jujeño decidió visitar un bar de la zona de Alem junto con al menos cuatro compañeros. Y ahí, entre risas, sufrió una fuerte recaída en su lucha contra el alcohol. Una situación que se le tornó inmanejable y por la que mientras Passarella y Cía. alargaban la sobremesa en el restaurant Cinco Andaluz, el Burrito regresó al búnker de River en muy mal estado. Al subir a la habitación que comparte con el juvenil Sebastián Sciorilli, en el 10° piso, mantuvo una fortísima pelea telefónica con un familiar. A raíz de eso, desbordado y sin control, cortó intempestivamente, volvió al ascensor y salió del hotel. Dónde estuvo, con quién y qué hizo durante las siguientes cinco horas es un misterio. Lo que contaron testigos es que volvió al amanecer, y en peor estado del que tenía al irse.


:(

The rest of the article is here: http://www.ole.com.ar/notas/2007/01/16/01346007.html .. I recommend you read it.

This situation makes me so depressed. Yes, I don't even know the guy in person, but it just makes you feel bad. It's not like he's a person who doesn't give a fuck about anything, and continues to drink alcohol. He's been trying to get over the situation, and had previously stated that his main goal for this season was to "overcome his alcoholic situation". He's been trying so hard to beat it, but it's like he just cannot win the fight. It makes me feel even worse knowing someone who is going through a situation similar to his.

My best wishes go to Ortega, my first River idol.. I hope he gets better.

[cavenaghi]

Bump.. Sorry, for the double post, but I think there were some interesting posts in my last "huge post",.. I don't know if people are reading them and just not replying, or not reading it because the "subscribed threads" don't get updated when posts are edited..

Well, I'll delete this post later.. Just posting it so the River thread will appear in people's "User CP"s.
Yeah mods are very rough. Just look at that (http://www.fbtz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50427&page=6) :D
I guess it's more easy to be a Toulouse fan than a millonario :rolleyes:

Too bad for Ortega :(
I thought his problem was over but I guess that's the reason why the doctors always say "once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic". You can stop drinking but you can't cure the disease. It will always be there and just one mistake can put you down again.

[west501]

what a disgusting ill..I'm sorry to hear ortega is battling such problems :(

[River]

Well, if River doesn't manage to bring in Lavezzi, they will go after Gonzalo Castro, of Nacional. No offense to Ezequiel, but I would prefer that the Uruguayan join the team a thousand times more than the San Lorenzo player. Why? Not because Lavezzi is bad, but because everytime I saw Castro play I fell in love with him. The kid has talent and would be an excellent investment for River. I am now hoping the Lavezzi transfer doesn't go through, just so this guy can join our team (I don't see it happening: Lavezzi's transfer is likely to become a reality this week).
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Rivas did good in today's match vs. San Lorenzo (which was extremely boring by the way). I think he was the best player on the field, not just for River. He was very solid defending and had an incredible speed. If he keeps up this level, I wouldn't be surprised to see him in River's starting line-up in a "real" tournament.

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The Superclasico is tomorrow (Saturday, January 20th). The game will be shown live on Fox Sports en Espanol and Fox Soccer Channel at 5 PM Pacific Time / 8 PM Eastern.

The teams will appear on the field with the following line-ups:

http://www.clarin.com/diario/2007/01/20/fotos/64.jpg

Yup.. Surprise, surprise: Rivas will be a starter (and will hopefully give Palacio and Palermo a hard time), and Zapata will go the bench.. :) Gerlo will be playing instead of Lussenhoff, but I think that is just because el Colorado is returning from a small injury. Ruben is said to have done well in today's practice, scoring one goal, and will be a sub.

As for Boca, Guillermo Barros Schelloto will be a starter, but as playmaker instead of a foward. Another surprise will be that Caranta, one of Boca's new reinforcements, will be a starter, leaving Bobadilla on the bench.

It seems like we will be seeing a good match in Mar del Plata tomorrow. Sure, it doesn't have the same significance as a Superclasico played in an official tournament, but it is also a fact that no one will want to lose.

Aguante River..
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01/19/07 -

Juan Roman Riquelme: Boca hizo gestiones por repatriarlo, ya que en el Villarreal está “colgado”; pero la relación entre el futbolista y Mauricio Macri no es buena y eso impide su llegada al club. Pero Román quiere jugar y por ese motivo los dirigentes de River harán una oferta al club español para ficharlo. “Van a hacer el intento, él está dispuesto. Pero dicen que la madre no va a querer que venga acá, y él la escucha en todo. Pero hay posibilidades”, reveló un allegado del jugador.

Germán Lux: Volvió a sonar el Beira Mar de Portugal como destino del arquero, pero Néstor Sívori, su representante, lo desestimó.

Lisandro Lopez: Hubo contactos, pero Porto no va a desprenderse de Licha a menos que le paguen bastante más que lo que invirtió. No quiere venderlo. Y si lo hace, será por fortunas. Parece imposible.

Gonzalo Castro: Varias ofertas llegaron desde Europa y, desde lo económico, River no podría igualarlas. Pero... "A mí me gustaría pasar seis meses o un año por la Argentina antes de probar en Europa. No iría a pasear, sería para aprovecharlo", tiró el Chory.
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Juan Roman Riquelme: Boca tried to sign him, since he is not kept in mind in Villarreal, but his relationship with Mauricio Macri isn't good and that blocks his arrival. But Roman wants to play and for that reason, River's dirigentes will make an offer to the Spanish club to sign him. "They will intend to bring him, he is willing to do so. But they say his mother doesn't want him to return here, and he listens to whatever she says. But there are possibilities", said a close friend of the player.

Germán Lux: Beira Mar of Portugal is interested in him, but Nestor Sivori, his representative, dismissed it.

Lisandro Lopez: There were contacts, but Porto won't let go of Licha unless they pay a lot more than what they originally payed for him. They don't want to sell him. And if they do, it will be for fortunes. It seems nearly impossible.

Gonzalo Castro: He has recieved several offers from Europe and, economically, River can't match them. But... "I would like to play in Argentina for six months or a year before going to Europe. I wouldn't go to visit, it would be to enjoy the opportunity", said el Chory.

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Crespo said he is expecting to play in Europe for another year, and then return to River for his retirement.

What do you guys think about this? I'd love to see him return, and he deserves to retire with la banda on his chest. Still, how do you guys think he will play in a year? Will he be anywhere near his current potential? I know he's doing great, and had a very good World Cup, but you have to remember that this move would be in 2008. Hopefully he returns and does great (a la Francescoli or Ramon Diaz).

Meanwhile, if the Uruguayan Gonzalo Castro comes, he won't be fully owned by River. Los Millonarios will have the option to buy a percentage of him, or get him on loan.

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Great second half by River.. :)

I'm glad Falcao was able to score a goal. Hopefully this will give him the confidence he needed to return to his oldself again.

Sambueza - Fantastic game. This, as well as Zapata's horrible 8 years in River, show that he needs to be in charge of River's left side. Please, let this be a sign that Zapata needs to get the fuck out of the Monumental. Not to mention that the 30 minutes that el Chapa played were really bad. He slowed down several counter attacks and gave bad passes.

Belluschi - Espectacular. Player of the game, once again. He proved once more that he plays better without Gallardo, and hopefully he guides the team to success this year.

Galvan - Really good game. Hopefully he keeps up this level, because he was very useful for the team.

Tuzzio - His second half wasn't that bad, but his first half was a nightmare. The worst game I've ever seen him play, absolutely horrible! I hope Passarella doesn't ever put him in that position again, because he did everything wrong: really bad clearance, lost a thousands balls (which almost ended up in the net at times), no steals, etc.

Rivas - He started out a bit nervous, but he improved as time went on. He once again proved that he needs to be a starter. He has that speed and strength that River was missing.

Farias - Didn't do much. He goes through his good and bad periods, and I don't remember him having a good match for a while now. I think if Castro comes, Ernesto should go to the bench and leave Falcao and Castro up top. And if the Uruguayan doesn't come, we should also consider giving Ruben the spot instead.

Ferrari - I liked how he played today. Good speed, as well as other things. Oh, and he had a nice save.. right on the line.

Gerlo - I wouldn't say he was the worst thing ever, but considering we have other options (Rivas, Lussenhoff, Tuzzio, and Nasuti can play in his position), I would prefer he doesn't start in River.

Overall, it was a good game. Really bad first half, fantastic second half. I am glad River was able to flip Boca's appearance in the first 15 minutes.

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01/20/07 -

Hernan Crespo: Parece que mi informacion estaba mal: El delantero tendría en mente jugar en el club que lo vio nacer al fútbol a partir de junio (no 2008) y por lo menos un año, antes de su retiro. :)

Gaston Fernandez: Rosario Central manifestó un interés por la Gata. Pero un dirigente del Consejo de Fútbol informó anoche que "River no va a ceder jugadores al medio local. Si se van, entonces, será al exterior".

Gonzalo Castro y Mauro Rosales: Daniel Passarella se reunió el viernes por la noche con Mario Israel y Rodolfo Cuiña y reforzó su pedido: ahora quiere, sí o sí, dos delanteros más. "Nuestra idea es concretar dos de las tres operaciones (la otra es Lisandro Lopez). Y estamos cerca, la verdad. Esperemos que haya buenas noticias en los próximos días", confirmó anoche Cuiña.
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Hernan Crespo: It seems as if my information was incorrect: The foward expects to play for the club that saw him grow in June (not 2008) and for atleast one year, before he retires. :)

Gaston Fernandez: Rosario Central has shown an interest in la Gata. But a dirigente confirmed last night that "River won't loan players to local clubs. If they leave, then it would be to a foreign team".

Gonzalo Castro and Mauro Rosales: Daniel Passarella met on Friday night with Mario Israel and Rodolfo Cuiña and he restated his request: he now wants two more fowards. "Our idea is to complete two of the three operations (the other one is for Lisandro Lopez). And we are very close to doing that, it's true. We hope to receive good news within the next few days", Cuiña said.

[west501]

[COLOR="Red"]Crespo said he is expecting to play in Europe for another year, and then return to River for his retirement.

What do you guys think about this? I'd love to see him return, and he deserves to retire with la banda on his chest. Still, how do you guys think he will play in a year? Will he be anywhere near his current potential? I know he's doing great, and had a very good World Cup, but you have to remember that this move would be in 2008. Hopefully he returns and does great (a la Francescoli or Ramon Diaz).

this would be fantastic for crespo to return for a glorious retirement for the love of the shirt
he still has another european year left I would say, but if he comes this june I'd be all for it
I like this trend that has been bringing back some big names to the tournament and hope it continues
I would also hope it means continued callups to basile's promised 'local squad'



http://www.clarin.com/diario/2007/01/20/fotos/64.jpg


this was a great game for us, we played like the classier squad even if we were on the back foot at the start, kind of the reverse of what bianchi's boca would do to us regularly
good job by 'el negro' not so good for tuzzio
zapata was great, but ponzio was also crap when he came in
farías looked quicker than I've seen him for a long time, but only in the first half while falcao looked better in the second half
sambueza blows hot or cold, so while he is capable of a lot more than zapata, at least zapata is consistent..but rubens deserves a chance to win the spot
so many high points to the game, but the main positives were totally outclassing boca and mark my words:belluschi has the opportunity to become the top player in argentina this year
and let's hope he realises it
I have a feeling that this is the end of boca's old guard based domination (delgado, guillermo, palermo, ibarra), so hopefully we can step back into the leading role again in the next years

[River]

01/22/07 -

Mauro Rosales: River hizo una oferta por el 50% y confían en que llegue el delantero del Ajax. Por ahora hay una diferencia de 200 mil euros.

Gonzalo Castro: Paco Casal pidió 4.000.000 de dólares por el 70% de su ficha y un contrato más alto que el que tenía Gallardo. Así, no vendrá, pero atención: si no hay una oferta de afuera, las cifras bajarán

Gaston Fernandez, Matías Oyola y Jesús Méndez: River no los tendra en cuenta y estarían dispuesto a prestarselos a otro club.
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01/22/07 -

Mauro Rosales: River made an offer for 50% of the transfer and they expect Ajax's foward to arrive. For now, there is a $200,000 euro difference between what Ajax wants and what River offered.

Gonzalo Castro: Paco Casal requested $4,000,000 dollars for 70% of the transfer and a contract even higher than Gallardo's. He won't be arriving like that, but careful: if a European club doesn't make an offer, his value will drop.

Gaston Fernandez, Matías Oyola and Jesús Méndez: River won't have them in mind and is willing to loan them to a different club.

[west501]

that's too bad for la gata..he just can't seem to win one shot with river these days and it's a shame
judging by his cover on olé
http://www.ole.clarin.com/diario/2007/01/23/portadachica.jpg
rivas has made quite an impression..comparisons to mike tyson abound :rolleyes:
he seems like a genuine hatchet man on defence, and while that would normally be a liability, our defence has been shaky during our dry run and if it needs a guy like this to galvanise it I'm all for it

[River]

01/23/07 -

Mauro Rosales: La cifra que se maneja hasta ahora es la de 3.500.000 euros, pero incluye el 100% del pase y los números del contrato de tres años. "Estamos negociando todavía. Creo que se cierra mañana (por hoy)", confirmó su representante.

Jesús Méndez: El mediocampista pasará al Saint Gallen de Suiza en una negociación que a River le dejará 550.000 euros, más un porcentaje de una futura venta.

Gaston Fernández: Llegó una oferta de un equipo mexicano (préstamo) y también esperan un fax de un club europeo, que compraría el pase.

Matías Oyola: River desea transferirlo. El presidente de Gimnasia (JJ), Raúl Ulloa, estuvo gestionando con las autoridades de River para conseguir el préstamo del volante.

Federico Dominguez: Según cuentan en River, un equipo de Portugal habría hecho llegar una propuesta para llevárselo a préstamo, aunque todavía nadie lo confirmó oficialmente.

Marcelo Sosa: Todavía no rescindió, pero quieren que lo haga.
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01/23/07 -

Mauro Rosales: The operation would cost round $3,500,000 euros, but includes 100% of the transfer and a three year contract. "We are still negociating, but I think it will close tomorrow", his representative confirmed.

Jesús Méndez: The midfielder will go to Saint Gallen of Switzerland in a negociation that would leave $550,000 euros for River, plus a percentage of a future transfer.

Gaston Fernández: A loan offer arrived from a Mexican club, and they also expect a fax from a European club, who would buy him.

Matías Oyola: River wants to transfer him. Gimnasia (JJ)'s President, Raul Ulloa, has been negociating with los Millonarios to get him on loan.

Federico Dominguez: In River they calim that a Portuguese club has made an offer to take him on loan, but nothing has been confirmed till now.

Marcelo Sosa: He still didn't terminate his contract, but they want him to.

[progott]

wow, river seems to build an amazing squad. they have two quality players for every position. I think it's one of the best squads since aimar's days. Belluschi will be amazing next season. there are no more excuses next season, river must go for the copa libertadores and the domestic title.

[cavenaghi]

and mark my words:belluschi has the opportunity to become the top player in argentina this year
and let's hope he realises it
Well, isn't he already? ;)
He was our best player during the Apertura, same thing with NOB before. If he's not yet considered as the best player in the country that's only due to the fact that River didn't win the title. So if we win the Clausura or the Libertadores (or both :rolleyes: ), there's no doubt he will reach this status... and then move to Europe :(

[progott]

is it true that passarela said he would only sell him for 30-40 Mio€? is he realy worth that much?

[west501]

Well, isn't he already? ;)
He was our best player during the Apertura, same thing with NOB before. If he's not yet considered as the best player in the country that's only due to the fact that River didn't win the title. So if we win the Clausura or the Libertadores (or both :rolleyes: ), there's no doubt he will reach this status... and then move to Europe :(

yeah, I guess winning championships is the key to being considered as such
as for 30-40 million euros..well he's worth that if we want to dissuade potential buyers..so yes, he's worth that
I hope we can hold onto this guy
I think we'll start seeing him on the national team before too long

[River]

Is this what the 2007/2008 season jerseys will look like?:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/locoxriver/river-07-jerseysshorts.jpg

I know the third one (the white one) will never be released, but I thought it looked nice so I added it.. As for the other two (as well as the shorts), there is an actual possibility that they will look that way.

Some other one's I created:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/locoxriver/river-07-alternativas.jpghttp://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a256/locoxriver/river-red-07.jpg

I doubt we will ever see those, but I got bored and continued making different River designs. Out of all 7, I think we have good chances of seeing the original one (white with red diagonal) and the black one on the first post. The other ones have really small chances. I would love to see the black one with "la banda" though.

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Well, I got feedback and responses from other people in different places, and it seems as if the starter jersey won't change.. According to them, it'll change next year.. But who know's, when Adidas change their design, we change our jerseys.. So why wouldn't it happen this time.

They also sent me some real pictures of the new alternative jerseys. God damn, I hope these are just some fake replicas, because they are extremely ugly!!!

http://www.solodeportes.com.ar/imagenes/100020800934001-1.jpg

http://www.solodeportes.com.ar/imagenes/100020800946001-1.jpg

[Vip]

Around 1 1/2 to 2 months ago, Gaston Recondo at Estudio Futbol disclosed the way the contracts with Higuain and Belluschi were done with the "investors".

I certainly don't have the clip to review it ... but I recall him saying that both players had to be sold by June 30th 2007?

If not, the investors could choose whatever players from the squad for a certain amount of $$. Or something around those lines. The way it was explained, it made it impossible for River to not sell both players by the date.

Did anyone see that show? I haven't seen anything written about it. And I trust Recondo, as he is a River fan and well connected and respected journalist inside River. It was kinda "insider" info the way he explained the contracts.


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[west501]

Did anyone see that show?
.

I remember this article (http://old.ole.clarin.com/jsp/v4/pagina.jsp?pagId=1268158)
it isn't the exact one, but olé's archive is the worst thing ever
it made no sense to sell the transfer rights to higuaín and I said it then (http://fbtz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=514484&highlight=higua%EDn#post514484)
actually, looking back on it I CALLED IT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1M1Do7-B1o) :cool: :( :cool:
though I'm glad I was wrong about the french national team thing :D
but yeah, aguilar went back on his word and sold not only the rights of pipita, but belluschi and three youth team players for 10 million euros and pressure to sell

[River]

Thank God!!!

Zapata no arregló su contrato y quedará libre en junio. ¿Será colgado o igual tendrá chances de jugar?

http://www.ole.com.ar/notas/2007/02/01/01355279.html

This news made my day.. Just to know that Zapata will be leaving in June/July is fantastic, and to have the possibility of not letting him play until his contract is over would be the frosting on the cake. Either way, I am happy he won't stay with us for more than 6 months.. :)

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Wow, I was surprised how bad Belluschi played. This was, without a doubt, his worst game since he joined the club.. I didn't really like Ahumada either.. He's not a bad player, but I'd prefer to see Domingo (amazing player with a great future) or Ponzio (didn't see much of him, but I liked what I saw vs. Independiente).

The thing River is missing is one of those players who scores everytime, estilo Cavenaghi.. And to think we could have kept Figueroa for $2,000,000.. :rolleyes: Falcao is soooo irregular: one game he takes advantage of every opportunity he is given, and the next game he completely loses his touch and looks lost on the field.. Meanwhile, Farias isn't that type of player that I previously mentioned.. I am just hoping we find that "top goalscorer" in Marco Ruben..

Aguante River..

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The good news keeps on coming in: :D

Aunque creía que iba a ser parte de alguno de los amistosos con Quilmes, a Víctor Zapata no le quedó otra que trotar por el predio de Ezeiza. Eso fue la actividad que realizó ayer el volante que ya está mejor de una molestia muscular y que será colgado por los dirigentes si no firma su contrato, más allá de que Passarella pretende contarlo en su plantel.
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It looks like the fun is over.. :( :mad:

Víctor Zapata dijo que "la puerta está abierta" para firmar un nuevo contrato y no quedar libre. Y Aguilar fue concreto: "Vamos a arreglar y será parte del plantel".

Damn!! I was so happy he was going to leave, and now I feel like he's going to stay till his retirement.. :mad:

Meanwhile, River is after Coloccini, who got in an argument with Deportivo La Coruna's coach and won't be playing the rest of the semester if he stays in Spains. San Lorenzo also wants him. As for Rosales, his story isn't over, and their will be a final chapter this week: He'll either join us or not, since the transfer market will be ending soon.

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Hell yeah!!! Aguante River, Aguante Tuzzio, Aguante todos loko!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Es para vos Bossio la re-concha de tu madre hijo de mil puta que gasta 20 horas para hacer un saque de arco.. :D :D

Belluschi was a complete disaster. I don't know what was wrong with him, but he was without a doubt River's worst player. His passes were imprecise, his shots were off.. I don't know, it's just not the Belluschi I am used to seeing.

Galvan was fantastic: River's best player. He made some nice plays and ran the whole time he was in the pitch. He just never stopped. Great player, hope he keeps up his level.

"El Negro" Rivas: Good game.. Solid as always.

Zapata: Why the hell did Passarella put him? Sambueza wasn't playing bad, and we needed more offensive play, not Zapata. Oh, and the 20 or so minutes he was played sucked. :P

I've been saying this for a while, and I'm going to continue saying it. The only thing River is missing is one of those players who scores in every game. Farias takes one shot every 24 games, Falcao was doing good and running a lot but he wasn't creating too many dangerous chances up front. I mean, think about it.. In the summer only Farias scored one goal (the rest were scored by Ferrari (2), Galvan, and Belluschi). One goal scored by all the fowards in 5 games? That's not good at all. We really need to find a top goalscorer. Be it Ruben, or Falcao returning to his oldself, or a youngster from the lower divisions.. I don't care, I just want one as soon as possible.

Anyway, good start for River. I was suffering so much in that game.

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There was violence in the Argentine league, once again. Towards the end of the match, River and Newell's fans started throwing rocks at each other. :mad: I ask myself, where the hell do these guys get the rocks from? There's no rocks in the stands.. Do they come with like 20 rocks in their pockets? Newell's fans threw pieces of iron and rocks the sizes of fists into the field also.

As for the police, completely pathetic. They didn't do shit. Just stood and watched. They claimed that they couldn't do anything, because then the fans would pass the gap between the two sides and fight. Ok, fine, I can understand that. But there were approximately 700 policemen present. There were about 10 or 15 guarding that gap, where were the other 685? I hate the Argentine police, especially the ones from Rosario. They are all HDPs, that never do anything good.

What is this, the 4th or 5th violent event in 2 fechas? And to think that the second one isn't even over yet.

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02/19/07 -

Mauro Rosales: Ya es oficial: el ahora ex-jugador de Ajax es el nuevo refuerzo de River. Si bien no se conocieron cifras oficiales, se estima que los millonarios depositaron cerca de de 1.800.000 euros para la compra del 100% del pase de Rosales.
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02/19/07 -

Mauro Rosales: It's official: the now ex-Ajax player is River's new reinforcement. Although the exact price isn't known, it is estimated that "los millonarios" deposited approximately $1,800,000 euros for 100% of the transfer.

[River]

http://www.ole.com.ar/diario/2007/02/20/portada.jpg

http://www.ole.clarin.com/diario/2007/02/20/fotos/tapa2.jpg

River decidió echar del club a los seis barras acusados de la pelea en el quincho. Ahora responderán a los otros pedidos del Gobierno para que se levante la clausura.
El poder de Los Borrachos aún no se recortó: Alan y Adrián lucharán por conducir desde las sombras. Mientras, viejos barras están atentos por si se abre un hueco en la tribuna.
This just looks like a path to more violence, if you ask me.. One barra, the most powerful in Argentina to be precise, without a leader.. Dear god, that just isn't good news. In fact, six groups will supposedly be fighting for power:
Hoy, hay seis grupos de hinchas que quieren el lugar. Son los de Fuerte Apache, Merlo, Lomas, Claypole, Villa Constituyentes y el Oeste. Justamente este grupo es liderado por El Turco, quien para muchos podría ser el próximo líder de la barra.

Los directivos de River están temerosos por este nuevo escenario. "Eran un mal conocido", dicen en la intimidad y coinciden que con Alan y Adrián, independientemente de los desmanes ocasionales, no había droga ni robos en la popular.

The last part is one of the things that I've mentioned in the past: this barra, unlike ones in the past, had eliminated drugs, robberies, and violence from River's stands. Now, with "el Turco", one of the leaders of LBDT in the 90s, might return to the head of River's barra, and he might bring back all those things with him.
un nuevo conflicto: ¿quién llevará las banderas al partido ante Racing? Los trapos fueron retirados del Monumental el domingo 11 de febrero a la noche —el día de los incidentes en la previa al partido ante Lanús por la primera fecha—. Están en un lugar seguro que pocos saben. Tenerlos significa poder
Another good point.

[cavenaghi]

You're perfectly right. Los Borrachos have done "a good job" in the populares del Monu.
Finding a solution to the violence isn't simple but there's no doubt this isn't a good decision. You're just giving the place to worse people.
Para habilitar el Monumental la Justicia exige:

1) Impedir el acceso al club de los barras identificados en los hechos del 11 de febrero.

2) La planificación de operativos de seguridad a cargo de una persona seleccionada.

3) Llamar a brigadas idóneas para la tarea de prevención además del personal policial.

4) Redactar las directivas para el control de precacheo y cacheo de ingreso.

5) Anular los depósitos bajo la tribuna Sívori donde se encontraron armas de fuego.

6) Se informe qué medidas tomarán para que no se vendan bebidas alcohólicas.

7) Que todos ingresen por los lugares correspondientes pasando por los controles policiales y molinetes de control.

8) Que los días de eventos la zona del bajo terraza y el camino lindante a las canchas de tenis sean valladas.

9) Nombre, apellido y documento de las personas a cargo de la seguridad privada y acreditar a la empresa.

10) Explicar el método a utilizar para contabilizar las personas que ingresan al estadio.

11) La instalación de un circuito cerrado de TV que cubra la totalidad del área del club.

If the Monumental stays closed, River could play in Santiago de Chile! :eek:
Don't think we'll have to, though.
Un dato: el presidente de River se comunicó con su par de la AFA, Julio Grondona, y le comentó la chance de que River fuera local ante Racing en Santiago de Chile. La idea de Aguilar fue dejar claro que no hay estadio en el país más seguro que el de River. La chance, obviamente, no prosperó por más que a la AFA llegó un fax —desde el Estadio Nacional de Chile, donde River jugará este jueves ante Colo Colo por la Copa Libertadores, prestando sin inconvenientes sus instalaciones— y River, sino se da el recurso de amparo para ser local en el Monumental, jugará en Vélez a las 17.10 (el equipo de Liniers jugará el sábado).

[River]

It's seems many people are seeing exactly what I was seeing. For those who don't understand me, take time to read these personal opinions:

ESTOY MAL POR LO QUE PASÒ...SE LES FUE LA MANO..Y AHORA...PARA UDS CHAU CANCHA....MAS ALLÀ DE LOS NEGOCIOS QUE PUEDAN TENER (DÒNDE ESTÀ MARIO ISRAEL QUE NO SE LO VE).....YO ESTABA CONTENTO CON USTEDES...ME SENTÌA "PROTEGIDO" DE VISITANTE Y DE LOCAL (AFANOS)...HABÌAN PUESTO A LA HINCHADA POR SOBRE LA 12...COSA QUE NUNCA ANTES HABÌA PASADO....HACÌAN LAS COSAS INTELIGENTEMENTE Y AHORA NO ENTIENDO CÒMO SE FUERON A LA ************. LOGRARON QUE TODOS ESTÈN CONTRA RIVER Y HAYA UNA PERSECUCIÒN TREMENDA CONTRA USTEDES. LOS Q HABLAN MAL AHORA DE USTEDES (VARIOS EN LA LISTA) SE VÈ QUE VAN AL MONUMENTAL SOLAMENTE Y SON MAS QUE HIPÒCRITAS....EL "LLEGAN LOS BORRACHOS DEL TABÒN.." NO LO CANTA NADIE Y DE VISITANTE O NO VAN O VAN CAMUFLADOS SIN NADA QUE LOS DISTINGA COMO HINCHAS DE RIVER. COMO DIJO ALGUIEN...AHORA LO QUE SE VIENE POR LA SUCESIÒN DE LA BARRA...PREPÀRENSE. ALAN....ADRIÀN....GRACIAS POR ESTOS 5 AÑOS...EN SERIO LO DIGO, NO LE DEN BOLA A LOS GILES QUE LOS CRITICAN....HABLAN PORQUE NO PODRÌAN ESTAR JAMÀS EN EL LUGAR DE USTEDES...TODOS TENEMOS NUESTROS "NEGOCIOS" Y NOS CUIDAMOS DE QUE NO NOS AGARREN....OJALÀ ALGUN DÌA SUPEREN SUS DIFERENCIAS Y VUELVAN COMO "COALISIÒN" A SER LOS JEFES DE LOS BORRACHOS. NADA MAS.

Yo lo unico que digo es:
Voy a la cancha dese hace más de 20 años, y nunca como en los últimos 5 años en River se estuvo tan tranquilo.
La popular sin drama, tranquilo podes llevar a tu flia. el celular o salir de raje del laburo caer de traje y corbata y no pasa nada.
eso antes no era así. En mi caso particular mi padre dejo de ir a la cancha después de que dos veces seguidas lo chorearon en River.
Eso había cambiado para bien. Espero que no vuelva toda esa ************.
Y respecto a LBDT, creo que solo la gente de River puede entender a LBDT, porque siempre fue algo más dentro del sentimiento. La entrada por la punta, los trapos, los bombos, etc., solo el que es de River lo entiende.
DS

gracias a "A LOS BORRACHOS DEL TABLON" yo voy a la cancha re-tranquila con mi nene. Nunca, pero NUNCA me pasò algo desagradable y siempre sentì la protecciòn d la barra, d local o visitante. Las ocaciones en q algùn bobo hizo bardo, yo vì como en 1 minuto lo sacaban d la cancha,porque la onda familiar,reina.

Yo estoy encontra de la violencia, pero les comento que comenze a ir a a la popular a partir del año 99. Tenia que ir vestido como un croto, llevar la guita bien guarda y tener siempre 1 peso listo para poner en la gorra porque si no la pasabas muy mal. Como todos ustedes he visto infinida de veces robo de cadenas, billeteras y hasta de camiseta dentro de la misma tribuna. Como un hincha de River le puede robar o otro riverplatense. De visitante la cana venia y pegaba y nadie abria la boca. Luego con la llegada de Adrian y mucha de esta gente al poder vi poco empezaron a expulsar a los ladrones de la tribuna a golpe de puño y como se respetaban todos con todos, hasta algunos que antes pasaban robando, con este cambio solo se encargaban de alentar al equipo. Tambien recuerdo muchas veces que la cana vino a pegar por pegar y ellos saltaron a defender a todos.

Fue muy lindo poder estar en la popular solo mirando el partido y saber que nadie te va a afanar. Que lindo que fue poder invitar a amigos y amigas que nunca habian ido a la cancha y decirle vengan a popular que esta todo bien no pasa nada y ellos disfrutan de esa fiesta que vivimos todos los domingos alentando a nuestro querido equipo.

Es verdad tambien que ellos estan ahi por dinero y por otras cosas, pero ahora que va a pasar, van a volver los chorros de antes o chorros nuevos y tendremos que agachar la cabeza por que si no te golpean y los jueces y policias solo miran. No seamos ipocritas estamos en Argentina y sabemos que esto va a ser para peor, ojala que me equivoque. Lo unico que se es que me duele mucho decirlo pero despues de ochos años voy a abandonar la popular y me sentare en una platea, por que ahora quien me garantisa que voy a estar a salvo saltando en la Sivori Alta, aunque por ahi pase por la puerta de la popular o tal vez mis sentimientos me traicionen y termine llendo a la popular. Por que el que esta todos los domingos en el tablon, sabe muy bien que la popular es la popular.

Es que el problema de fondo es justamente que la seguridad no la tendria que garantizar la hinchada, si no la policia, pero que le vamops a pedir a la ******** yuta de ************ o al mismimismo gobierno, se lavan las manos y listo, ,la verdad es que a mi me toco vivir la popu fulera....y justamente por eso deje de ir a la cancha.....es mas en esa epoca no se podia ni siquiera ir a la alte brown baja (asi se llamaba por entonces).....pero en fin....como por fuera (pais) todo va seguir como siempre, con politicos chorros (los de los clubes de futbol incluidos) por ahora solo roguemos que la "nueva conduccion" de lso borrachos no cambie lo bueno conseguido.......

[west501]

there's some disaster in formatting in the previous page..someone should edit
I just watched river destroy colo colo :cool:
we didn't dominate but we knew what to do with the ball and our counterattack was deadly
I understand the argument against ponzio's goal, but the truth is that the goalie was 100% wise to the play and was totally prepared for the shot even if the players were not
there is no argument as strong as lille's where the play was not started
but in any case this ref was one of the worst I've ever seen, the red card to falcão was embarrassing
there wasn't contact worthy of a foul, if anything it was incidental..but even that might warrant at most a yellow
farías made fun of him a few minutes after, which was hilarious
but we should have scored at least one or two more goals in this game..their defence was dismal
I feel bad for my chilean friend who talked up colo colo last night..but then they no longer have mati fernandez
they'll definitely make the next round though

[River]

Preview of tomorrow's match vs. Racing posted on my River blog:

http://r-i-v-e-r.blogspot.com

[west501]

does the ban on the monumental extend to the libertadores as well?

[River]

does the ban on the monumental extend to the libertadores as well?
No, just the Argentine league. It's for a total of 5 fechas, but River has already done the first thing to undo the ban. They are doing everything possible to be able to play the next home match (vs. Arsenal) in the Monumental.

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Good win by River.. They showed a good display of football in the first half, and parts of the second half. There were times, though, in which the team didn't play good. I don't blame them for that for a few reasons:

1) It was basically the same team that played on Thursday vs. Colo Colo in Santiago.
2) They ran a lot in the first half. Not only that, but it was said to be extremely hot, so it makes sense for them to be tired at certain points.

The Player Review:
Falcao: I can't really say he deserves a 5 star rating, but he most definitely was very important for River. He scored two goals (1-0 and 2-1) and opened up the game for us.

Zapata: What a suprising weekend! I never thought I'd see Palermo score a goal that was actually nice.. I almost got a heart attack after that.. And now, Zapata actually played a good game! :eek: Nice assist and nice goal. Hopefully he keeps up level, but it is sort of hard to imagine. :D

Galvan: He had a great first half. Ran, gave good passes, nice shots.. A different Galvan compared to the one we saw on Thursday. In the second half you could tell he was extremely tired, yet he managed to make a goal (mostly thanks to Racing's horrible defending).

Gerlo: I liked how he played vs. Boca in the Torneo de Verano, but he hasn't been impressing me lately. They went right through him, and River's defense didn't seem really strong. Not to mention that Lussenhoff was River's best defender last semester, so we might have to reconsider this position's owner.

Villagra: I don't want to be too tough on him, since this is his first official game with River's jersey, but he didn't do much. Still, he's very young (20 if I am correct), and was wanted by some big teams before joining River. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

I insist that I would like to see more of Marco Ruben. It's not that I have anything against neither Falcao or Farias, but I've liked what I've seen from the ex-Central player so far. It might also do the the Fa-Fa duo good to have Ruben play, since they must be very tired after playing almost 90 minutes of the 4 matches so far.

Overall, good win for River. The team shined at points of the match, and was a pleasure to watch. We have won all 3 games played in the Argentine Clausura so far, and are leaders along with Arsenal, whom we will face in 2 weeks.

[west501]

cracking game!
I got very emotional over this clasico today..I thought we played fantastically
seriously haven't seen us put in such a good one for a few years..amazing attacking football! we were breaking their defence at will!
I really like what passarella is building right now and can only hope that belluschi stays with us for at least one more year
by having several good shooters in the midfield (ponzio, belluschi, galván) we have a double threat in attack that will be very difficult to defend against!
it's subtle but I think this new dimension in attack is becoming the key to this team because it forces defenders to guess what is going to happen
they showed real chemistry and as chaucey(?) said in the other thread, that's what wins championships
may he be right

[brain26]

I am an American who has recently (about 1 year) started watching South American football (especially Argentina). These games are amazing and the fans are so passionate.

The classico that was played today was great. River wanted it more and congrats to them.

[givemehistory]

That was the first River game I've been able to watch since the season started, and I'm extremely happy with the way we played. Barring Racing's golazo to make it 3-2, the win was fully deserved and the players didn't look nervous at all. Even more than that, though, I'm happy for Falcao. He's had a tremendous start to the season after being away for more than a year. Now he just has to stay healthy ... :o

[west501]

I am an American who has recently (about 1 year) started watching South American football (especially Argentina). These games are amazing and the fans are so passionate.

The classico that was played today was great. River wanted it more and congrats to them.

for my money it's the best football in the world :rolleyes:
in all seriousness, argentine league football experienced a huge boom in the heady days of the 90s and a precipitous drop in quality in the beginning and middle of this decade because of the (still) peaking trend of selling all young talents
the resurgence in the past few seasons can be attributed to a huge upturn in the economy
-the recovery of the big clubs keeping stars longer (particularly boca)
-the economic ability of former stars to return (k.gonzales, veron, riquelme, c.lopez..soon: trezegol, crespo, hopefully more!)
-the continued brilliance of the youth system, with 4 of the last 6 youth wcs arguably the best in the world..the first cohort should have won this world cup, the second should win in 2010

[River]

03/01/07 -

Mauro Rosales: Al fin se hizo. El pase de Mauro Rosales ya está resuelto desde que el club de Núñez consiguió el aporte de un grupo inversor por los 250.000 euros que faltaban para llegar al 1.800.000 solicitado por el Ajax. Desde el entorno del jugador se informó que llegaría entre el fin de semana y el lunes. Llenará el hueco de Falcao el Jueves contra Caracas?
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03/01/07 -

Mauro Rosales: The transfer is finally complete. Mauro Rosales's transfer has been resolved since River found a business group who was willing to put in the $250,000 euros that were missing. The total price is $1,800,000 euros. The people who are around the Ajax player have confirmed that he would arrive either this weekend or on Monday. Will he fill in Falcao's spot on Thursday vs. Caracas?

[lamashtu]

thats good news about Rosales. I have always held him in high regard and I hope he will add speed and variety to the River attack.
After the confident display in Santiago and the sometimes rampant showing versus Racing I have my hopes up and cant wait for the next match.

[River]

Argentinos Juniors - River Plate Preview (http://r-i-v-e-r.blogspot.com/)

[west501]

Argentinos Juniors - River Plate Preview (http://r-i-v-e-r.blogspot.com/)

nice work
I didn't get to see the game
pity we lost a chance to open a lead on boca, but I still think this team has great potential

[lamashtu]

I watched the game live on the internet the other night and I was rather pleased with the first half -- there was the same speed, cohesion and invention to be seen as in the last two games.
But the match got progressively tougher and we seemed to have lost the grip on the game in the second half.
Ruben was playing really well, great first goal, but when he had the chance to equalise in the second half, he hit the bar from 3 paces out. Still, hugely promising! Zapata was useless as usual and subbed. Unfortunately, the midfield could not hold Argentinos, they were swept right through almost every time and the defenders had to resort to faults a lot. Some terrible defending and some promising attacking was again the recepie for this match.

[River]

River played really bad tonight, and lost to Caracas by a score of 1-0 in the Monumental. Despite not playing well, we reached their goal several times and deserved the tie, if not the win..

Marco Ruben: Just like vs. Argentinos, the ex-Rosario Central foward was our best player.. He was unlucky to not score: he did a nice bicycle kick and hit the post in another.

Victor Zapata: *Sigh*. What can I say? He played like shit vs. Argentinos, played like shit today.. He'll continue playing like shit.. Disappeared 98% of the game, and when he got the ball, he did bad like always.. Zapata, do us all a favor and do not sign a new contract!

Danilo Gerlo: The third game in a row in which his presence was unnoticed, except in the cases in which he messed up.. Sorry Paco, but it's time for Lussenhoff to return..

Oscar Ahumada: Otro muerto en mitad de cancha..

Eduardo Tuzzio: In the last two games he looked like the Tuzzio we saw vs. Boca in the verano, when he played his first game on the left side. He didn't defend well, gave bad passes.. It's unfortunate, it looked like he was adapting to that position. Hopefully he improves his level.

Rubens Sambueza: Didn't play enough time to really be able to rate him. I can't say he did great, but I don't think he did bad. One thing is for sure: he did better than Zapata in every aspect.

River lost an important game, and are now 3rd in the group. Caracas, who beat Liga Deportiva Universitaria de Quito in their first match, has six points. LDU, River's next rival in the Copa Libertadores, has the same amount of points as us but is leading in goal difference.

Now we must concentrate on Sunday's match vs. Arsenal, the leaders of the Torneo Clausura.

[cavenaghi]

So many opportunities! Fucking unbelievable :eek:

For those who care: first goal del Torito with Bordeaux! :)
Only the beginning... :cool:

[River]

River - Arsenal Preview Posted (http://r-i-v-e-r.blogspot.com/2007/03/river-arsenal-preview.html)

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Paulo Ferrari: Great game. Easily River's best player. If it wasn't for him, we wouldn't have won. He scored the first, and assisted in the second. Grande Paulo!!

Fernando Belluschi: He seemed lost throughout the match, but in the last few minutes he had three clear chances. The first two were stopped by Mario Cuenca, slowly transforming the goalkeeper into the player of the match. But in the last one, he managed to score and give River the win.

Nelson Rivas: Solid throughout the match. He continues being River's best defender in the tournament so far.

Victor Zapata: Poor game as usual. I only have one request: No more Zapata!

Ernesto Farias: Good game. He ran a lot and supported a lot to the attack. I wouldn't say he was thhhaaaaaatttt great, but he did good. Oh, and to top it off, he did a nice "cano" (through the legs) on an Arsenal defender.

Goals Posted (click on the player's name in red) (http://r-i-v-e-r.blogspot.com/)

[west501]

that was a lucky win, but you need a little bit of luck to win championships
we stay in the thick of the race with this win

edit: found this expediente campeon apertura 96 (http://www.vidiac.com/video/2323716A-3A14-4911-8CFD-C554EABD659F.htm) randomly..enjoy this glorious river campeon and check out the user's other videos..he's got everything recent and some old stuff including libertadores 96 highlights! my vote for best thing on the web!
(mods: can I embed this?)

[River]

Nice find, Guest501. ;)

In other news, Milan (Italy) have offered $8,000,000 dollars to take JP Carrizo. :mad: :mad: :mad:

LDU Quito - River: Preview Posted (http://r-i-v-e-r.blogspot.com/)

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The Player Review -

Ernesto Farias: Once again, River's best player. This was his second goal in this year's Copa Libertadores, also making him River's top goal-scorer this season. (4 goals in 7 matches)

Rubens Sambueza: We may say he was expelled fairly, but I don't think it was his intention to foul the rival. He went looking to get the ball first, the same exact way the Ecuadorian did. If anything, the other player should have been red carded as well, for doing the same thing as "Canito".

Cristian Villagra: Horrible game, in my opinion, for the ex-Rosario Central player. He did better in the second half than in the first, but I still can't say he did good. Not much towards the defending side, and he would lose the ball most of the times he tried to come foward and attack. He hasn't impressed me in any of the three games so far. I've been asking myself, "was he worth the investment?".

Leonardo Ponzio: Another player who did good. He ran a lot, and did his share in both the defensive and offensive point of views. He has been an important player for the team so far.

Fernando Belluschi: Yet another match in which Fernando failed to shine. Is it the public pressure? Are the teams putting extra marking men on him? Is he getting too "over himself" and tries to do every play elegantly? What ever it is, I hope he finds out about it and fixes it: we are heavily missing the old Belluschi.

Federico Lussenhoff: Looked solid, as expected. My ideal "regular" defense would be Ferrari-Lussenhoff-Rivas-Tuzzio.. Sounds tougher to get past than a brick wall to me!

Despite not getting the three points that we all wanted, I think this was a good result. Just look at the statistics: River lost the last 4 matches they played in Quito (not Ecuador in general, just Quito). This tie has left us second in the group, along with LDU, with four points. We will be facing them again in two weeks in the Monumental.

One thing that concerned me, though, is that the players looked awfully tired. It makes sense, due to the high elevation and the tough schedule, but will they be fine when we face Quilmes in three days? A slight rotations is expected to begin on Sunday, with Rivas and Tuzzio (River's best defenders this season) returning to the starting line-up.. Rosales is also expected to make his debut with La Banda.. And don't be surprised if Ortega gets some minutes on the field.

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Quilmes - River Preview Posted (http://r-i-v-e-r.blogspot.com/)

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God damn!! "La Gata" Fernandez scored, once again, today vs. Rosario Central. In the last 3 matches, he has managed to score 4 goals (1 vs. Boca, 2 vs. Banfield, 1 vs. Rosario Central).. Despite his great form, I doubt he would have played much in River and, if he did, I don't know if he would have impressed much. I think Ramon Diaz takes everything out of each player and makes them stars.. That's why instead of selling him we should have loaned him once again.. It would have been great to see him return in June 07 or January 08 after having Ramon turn him into an amazing player.. Damn Aguilar, why did you sell him? :(

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It was a tough match.. River wasn't playing good, and it seemed as if it were all over. You could look at the scoreboard and it would read as follows: 0-0 / 47:40 Minutes. But Ortega, on his official return since his alcoholic problems, managed to enter with 20 minutes left in the game and score in the last minute of the game to give us the three points vs. Quilmes. The goal itself was controversial, having hit "el Burrito"'s arm after a header, but Gimenez allowed it. I myself didn't notice this until after the replay, and would have counted it it as well if I were in his position. Either way, it wasn't a direct hand ball - a la Maradona -, it hit his arm after a header and he claims it was not intentional.

Player Review -

Juan Pablo Carrizo: Important player for River. It's not like he stopped us from a tremendous loss, but he did have some important saves. He continues showing why Milan of Italy offered $8,000,000 dollars for him recently.

Cristian Villagra: The ex-Rosario Central player showed an improvement compared to his poor performance in his first three matches. He still isn't defending too well, but he did some interesting things while attacking. Since neither Zapata or Sambueza are responding, should we try "Kity" as a left-midfielder?

Victor Zapata: Yeah, yeah, I know he didn't play, but did anyone else notice that the only two games he started this season we lost? (vs. Argentinos Jrs. and Caracas)

Fernando Belluschi: He kept on trying to do things right, but things just aren't working out for him this season. He's already played 10 games this season, and hasn't had one good one. Can we expect his level to improve anytime soon?

Ariel Ortega: Burrriiiiitttooo!! Burrriiiiitttooo!! Just like vs. San Lorenzo last season, he sent tears down many River fans' faces. What a way to return! Not only did he score, but if it weren't for him, we would have lost 2 points against a weak team and would have gotten farther away from the league leaders (San Lorenzo). Aguante Ortega! We are all with you..

Ernesto Farias: Missed two "not so hard" chances, one of them being extremely easy. This wasn't the same Tecla we had seen lately. Either way, I wouldn't criticize him too much base on one match.. He's been doing great this season and we have to cheer him on.

Mauro Rosales: Due to Marco Ruben having some problem, "Speedy" Rosales was able to make his debut with River's jersey and played from the start. He didn't play bad, but wasn't great either. We need someone to support attack in the midfield, and Rosales can do just that. He's fast and gives nice centers, might be a good option for the right side of our midfield.

This week we don't play in the Copa Libertadores, so the players will finally get some good rest. They didn't play a good game today, and this might have been due to have played 5 games in the last 14 days. It's not easy to play in the altitude of Quito and then play another match three days later.

We will be facing Gimnasia (Jujuy) next week in Velez's stadium, due to the suspension of the Monumental. This will be the last match River will play as the home side in Liniers.

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River - Gimnasia (JJ) Preview Posted (http://r-i-v-e-r.blogspot.com/)

[cavenaghi]

edit: found this expediente campeon apertura 96 (http://www.vidiac.com/video/2323716A-3A14-4911-8CFD-C554EABD659F.htm) randomly..enjoy this glorious river campeon and check out the user's other videos..he's got everything recent and some old stuff including libertadores 96 highlights! my vote for best thing on the web!
Do you know that there is a CatrachoMillonario on maXxed? Could be the same one :)
God damn!! "La Gata" Fernandez scored, once again, today vs. Rosario Central. In the last 3 matches, he has managed to score 4 goals (1 vs. Boca, 2 vs. Banfield, 1 vs. Rosario Central).. Despite his great form, I doubt he would have played much in River and, if he did, I don't know if he would have impressed much. I think Ramon Diaz takes everything out of each player and makes them stars.. That's why instead of selling him we should have loaned him once again.. It would have been great to see him return in June 07 or January 08 after having Ramon turn him into an amazing player.. Damn Aguilar, why did you sell him? :(
As a big fan de la Gata I'm just happy to see him play. Each time he was in River, he didn't really have the chance to show his talent. Why would he come back just to find a nice seat on the bench once again? Except if he comes back with Ramon... :rolleyes:
The goal itself was controversial, having hit "el Burrito"'s arm after a header, but Gimenez allowed it. I myself didn't notice this until after the replay, and would have counted it it as well if I were in his position. Either way, it wasn't a direct hand ball - a la Maradona -, it hit his arm after a header and he claims it was not intentional.
Of course, it wasn't intentional! :rolleyes: :D

[cavenaghi]

Colón - River is postponed, due to the recent inundations in Santa Fe.
Se suspendió Colón vs. River

La policía, avocada a las inundaciones, no puede garantizar la seguridad

Los partidos Colón-River Plate y Rosario Central-Gimnasia y Esgrima La Plata, por el torneo Clausura 2007 de primera división, y otros dos encuentros del ascenso que debían jugarse este fin de semana, fueron suspendidos por las inundaciones que se produjeron en la provincia de Santa Fe.

El gobierno provincial informó hoy que, como consecuencia de la lluvia caída en los últimos días, el encuentro en el estadio Brigadier López, que estaba previsto para el domingo, y el que debe disputarse en el Gigante Arroyito, pautado en principio para el sábado, deberán ser reprogramados por la AFA.

Además, fueron postergados Tiro Federal-Defensa y Justicia, por la décima fecha del Clausura de la Primera B Nacional y Central Córdoba-Sarmiento, por la duodécima jornada de la Primera B, que debían jugarse el sábado.

El gobierno santafesino informó que, a raíz de las inundaciones, la policía no está en condiciones de garantizar la seguridad de los espectáculos deportivos.
Source (http://www.lanacion.com.ar/895592)

[River]

Damn, Colon-River suspended? Oh well, atleast the players will get some rest (we are playing for the Libertadores next week as well). Thanks for the news, Cavenaghi. ;)

Vladem Lázaro Ruiz Quevedo, most commonly known as "Delem", has passed away at 71 years of age. Delem was a true River idol and piece of our history in several ways: he played the roles of a player, coach, and talent-finder for the team.

:( For More Info: http://r-i-v-e-r.blogspot.com

Aguante River.. We have to get a win today, no option. If we lose today, and Colo Colo wins tomorrow, River will be in 4th place in this group. That would make it really tough to go through to the next round. Vammmooo River!!!

[River]

Can somebody tell me how the fuck we did not win that match? River played good and could have won by a good difference, even by a margin of 3 or 4 goals.. I am really pissed off, because we played a lot better than in the last few games and most definitely deserved the 3 points. If we had gotten them, we would have been first. Now, with the tie, we could be last if Colo Colo wins tomorrow. This is sooo messed up. :mad:

[COLOR="Red"]The Player Review -

Augusto Fernandez: I've been warning people about this guy for the longest time. Now, we were all able to see what I've been talking about. In the first half, I think he was the second best -behind Rosales-, but overall, I think he was our best player of the night. Fast, nice shots, good passes: he had it all. It's good to see him play, and do well while doing so. We needed him, since neither Ahumada nor Galvan were responding, and I think he's one of the reasons why we improved so much today.

Mauro Rosales: Great game for Mauro. The ex-Ajax player was River's best player in the first half, and one of the best of the game. To top it off, he did two nice "canos" in the first half.
Fernando Belluschi: Despite still not reaching his potential and matching his level from last semester, he played better than in the last few games. He had a slight improvement, and I think this was due to having other players such as Rosales and Augusto to create plays and add offensive power. He needs some partners up there, so hopefully he'll keep on getting better once Ortega returns.

Ariel Ortega: El Burrito played the last 10 minutes due to the fans requesting him time after time. Those ten minutes proved what Passarella's been saying all week: Ortega is not ready to play yet. He was slow, slipped when trying to juke defenders, and didn't have a good shot. He had one really clear chance, in which LDU's goalkeeper came out and he was left with the ball, but he shot really bad. He slowed down the tempo a bit, and minimized our chances of winning. I don't want to be too harsh on Ortega, he's a legend, but he is just not ready to play.

Victor Zapata: He didn't have thaaat bad of a game (pretty good for Zapata's standards), but he did mess up a few times and was one of the worse players we had. *Sorry, but a review is just not a review without me hating Zapata.* :D

Paulo Ferrari: Ran a lot and played good. Another good game for Paulo, one of our best and most "regular" players this season.

Ernesto Farias: It just wasn't his day. In my opinion, River's worst player. He didn't have too many clear chances, but when he did, he didn't know how to define or when to juke.

[cavenaghi]

What can we expect for this Libertadores, if we can't win any home game?
Like someone in this thread would say: "I predict" that Ramón will be River's DT for the next Apertura (well, if Passarella doesn't win the Clausura by then... :rolleyes: ). "Mark my words!" :p :D
Are there any technical details preventing this move?
Victor Zapata: He didn't have thaaat bad of a game (pretty good for Zapata's standards), but he did mess up a few times and was one of the worse players we had. *Sorry, but a review is just not a review without me hating Zapata.* :D
You know, that's always the first thing I read in your reviews :D
...or when to juke.
Sorry, my english isn't that good. What does it mean? :confused:

[west501]

that was bad..I remember calling our last minute wins 'lucky..' well the luck has officially run out
the positive football from the summer is also over..there have been a lot of changes to the squad and the boys look tired
passarella was being ambitious to play the same lineup for the league and the libertadores, but it's now affecting both tournaments negatively
we need to pick it up
rosales definitely shows a lot of promise..I'd like to see him and ortega play at t he same time
the chants last night were too much though..that doesn't help the team and promotes the bad luck we had on the pitch

[River]

Sorry, my english isn't that good. What does it mean? :confused:

By "to juke", I meant "gambetear" or "amagar".. You know, to move to one side or the other, or fake a shot, etc..

[River]

Carrizo and Belluschi Sold to Juventus for a Low Price (http://r-i-v-e-r.blogspot.com) :eek: :mad:

For atleast a small joy, view the Video of Ortega's Top 10 Goals in the previous post. :(

[cavenaghi]

You're a funny guy! :mad:
You juked me! (hadn't checked the link the first time) ...On a Sunday morning! Bastard! ;)
Anyway, we will be crying in few months...

[west501]

the positive football from the summer is also over..there have been a lot of changes to the squad and the boys look tired
passarella was being ambitious to play the same lineup for the league and the libertadores, but it's now affecting both tournaments negatively
we need to pick it up


I stand by my theory that the team is tired and over-worked
that's why I was excited to hear today's match was cancelled :cool:
hopefully we will return with a renewed vigour for the next two games..particularly that one in two weeks :eek:
the superclasico will decide who finishes above whom and depending on how we do against san lorenzo, it could be the tournament
it's depressing to think that this squad can be the best in south america in few years because that kind of time frame no longer exists for our club

[River]

Caracas FC - River Plate: Preview Posted (http://r-i-v-e-r.blogspot.com/)

[River]

First half is over: 3-1 in favor of the Venezuelans..

The radio commentators insist about River's defensive errors.. What the fuck do you expect by playing that defense?

- Gerlo has been sucking ass since the Torneo de Verano.. After his second game this season they should have stopped giving him chances. Why give him more opportunities?
- Villagra is pure shit (you see why I left him out of my "ideal" line-up, Illrod?). He hasn't had one good game yet, and he commits way too many defensive errors. He always starts counterattacks...... for the opposition. :mad:
- Ferrari is a good player, but he doesn't have a clue about defending..

So what can you expect? No one can actually complain about defensive errors if we are technically playing with one defender (Rivas).

Plus, the fucking dumbass retard Zapata got a red card.

Fuck everyone.. Ramon has to return. :mad:

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VAYANSE TODOS A LA CONCHA DE SUS MADRES LA PUTA QUE LES PARIO!!!

I had kept myself quiet before, but not now.. I want Ramon back.. I want Aguilar to leave (these 6 years have been hell.. and we have to wait another 2).. I don't want Gerlo, Villagra, or Zapata to ever play for River again.. I want Montenegro to return.. I want Belluschi to go to the bench..

We better beat Boca and win the Clausura.. That won't be enough to cover my anger, but if we don't do that (or even get 1 of those 2 things), I'm going to explode even more.

QUE VUELVA RAMON. :mad: