UEFA clear Rangers supporters

[Nelly]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4876118.stm

Couldn't agree more.........unless they wanted to open a massive can of worms.No way could we be made an example of when there are countless other sets of fans who have their own chants,opinions,beliefs etc who are not under the microscope.

[AC_]

then again...

Rangers fined for Villarreal bus attack (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=364588&campaign=rss&source=soccernet&cc=4716)

[chiper54]

Repeat of Radio Scotland's 90 minutes. Rangers Not Guilty.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/noscript.shtml?/radio/aod/scotland_aod.shtml?scotland/90minutes_wed

[Jimmy]

disgusting behaviour, i don't want to lump all rangers supporters the same, but bloody hell, it's pretty hard not too, they really do make me sick, vile people they are :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[lions67]

there is no such a thing as a 90 minute bigot. that make me laugh. if you have it in you to sing the songs and utter the words at a match and brush it off as saying you were caught up in the moment is bogus. to them, the stadium is where they feel safe to practise bigotry, plain and simple.

[Jimmy]

there is no such a thing as a 90 minute bigot. that make me laugh. if you have it in you to sing the songs and utter the words at a match and brush it off as saying you were caught up in the moment is bogus. to them, the stadium is where they feel safe to practise bigotry, plain and simple.
the man has got a point!

[Nelly]

there is no such a thing as a 90 minute bigot. that make me laugh. if you have it in you to sing the songs and utter the words at a match and brush it off as saying you were caught up in the moment is bogus. to them, the stadium is where they feel safe to practise bigotry, plain and simple.
What part of "No evidence of bigotry" don't you understand?

Just because it doesn't fit in with your personal definition of bigotry there's no need to ignore the report altogether.Looks like the mass e-mailing campaign was all in vain.:D:D

[Jimmy]

Repeat of Radio Scotland's 90 minutes. Rangers Not Guilty.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/noscript.shtml?/radio/aod/scotland_aod.shtml?scotland/90minutes_wed
aye, you and hugh dallas alike

[Nelly]

aye, you and hugh dallas alikeAw naw....can we expect a psychiatrist employed to analyse our posts or perhaps we'll have to settle for the old sellick favourite of getting our house windows panned in.:p

[Jimmy]

Aw naw....can we expect a psychiatrist employed to analyse our posts or perhaps we'll have to settle for the old sellick favourite of getting our house windows panned in.:p
aye, just ye watch who yer talking tae bawbag, ;)

[lions67]

the evidence is everywhere. i dont need a report telling me different. i guess throwing bottles at a bus is just the way that rangers supporters say "welcome, come on in, lets have a drink together!!" ....please. thats just one incident.

[Fenianbhoy]

Uefa basically bottled it, they said yeh rangers fans where singing sectarien songs , but its been happening in scotland for years its not our problem, hands washed, and brushed under there very large carpet.

[Jimmy]

What part of "No evidence of bigotry" don't you understand?

Just because it doesn't fit in with your personal definition of bigotry there's no need to ignore the report altogether.Looks like the mass e-mailing campaign was all in vain.:D:D


Uefa basically bottled it, they said yeh rangers fans where singing sectarien songs , but its been happening in scotland for years its not our problem, hands washed, and brushed under there very large carpet.Nelly you blue tinted twat. Open your eyes mofo:mad:

[Nelly]

Nelly you blue tinted twat. Open your eyes mofo:mad:Surely you mean ears? :D
Oh,I'm up to my knees in dee da da.........:p

What?? Nowt wrong wae it.UEFA said so.:eek:

[Fenianbhoy]

I guess you guys are watching the fanzone show on stv. what Uefa basically said was it was wrong, but hey were chicken we aint touchin that subject with a barge pole.

I also like the way Celtic get brought into this subject matter at every opertunity(leckie trying to not hide his colours),when Uefa's last contact with Celtic was to say here bhoys have this fair play award.:)

We're not simply the best. were cleverer the best ;)

Edit. Wow Leckie said something decent , i bet he got it in an e-mail and i quote "if my culture is to abuse your culture my culture aint worth supporting.

[AC_]

Some Celtic fans are class. I read a story when the bhoys went to vila-real as they were about to leave, the villarreal fans went to the side of the road to let the bhoys pass and clapped as they were leaving el Madridgal. Even though celtic lost 0-2 that night they exchanged scarves etc

*the town is called vila-real, the team is called Villarreal

Rangers... I think there were policemen on horses trying to restore order outside el madrigal before and after the match. And let's not forget the bus incident

[Nelly]

Some Celtic fans are class.That would be the minority.Ask some Coventry fans who were there this week or Fulham fans pre season etc etc etc
Rangers... I think there were policemen on horses trying to restore order outside el madrigal before and after the match. And let's not forget the bus incidentWell,if the Spanish could fucking organize a match properly in a modern stadium with all that entails then there wouldn't be a problem.Instead,thousands of fans get hearded down a small alleyway and forced through 2 tiny dillapidated turnstyles.Also,the fans should know that when their club gets tickets,those tickets are for them and their part of the ground.If the greedy Villarreal bastards hadn't wanted to rip-off over eager Rangers fans then there wouldn't have been a segregation problem in the firt place............oh,and lets not forget the bus incident,I mean that's never happened to any club before has it?:rolleyes:

btw Jimmy.........what is it with all the red,angry faces all over the place? You're overheating ya bawbag.Ye know whit happens to plastic when it gets too hot don't ye? It melts and contorts in to a grotesque mess............ah shit,too late for you ya poisenous wee fuckwit.

[AC_]

Well,if the Spanish could fucking organize a match properly in a modern stadium with all that entails then there wouldn't be a problem. Instead,thousands of fans get hearded down a small alleyway and forced through 2 tiny dillapidated turnstyles

Modern stadium?? You're talking about a town with 45,000 people. Their entire population won't even fill up some stadiums. The team has only been playing in the primiera liga for a few years. This is their first CL, they didn't know what to expect. In Spain you don't usually get away support of that magnitude.

Also,the fans should know that when their club gets tickets,those tickets are for them and their part of the ground.If the greedy Villarreal bastards hadn't wanted to rip-off over eager Rangers fans then there wouldn't have been a segregation problem in the firt place

If Rangers fans who don't have tickets didn't travel to Spain, there would be no problems. You gott look at it both ways


............oh,and lets not forget the bus incident,I mean that's never happened to any club before has it?:rolleyes:

Oh look that guy was murdered! so what? people have been murdered before :rolleyes:

[Nelly]

Modern stadium?? You're talking about a town with 45,000 people. Their entire population won't even fill up some stadiums. The team has only been playing in the primiera liga for a few years. This is their first CL, they didn't know what to expect. In Spain you don't usually get away support of that magnitude. Exactly - unprepared and unfit to host a major event.



If Rangers fans who don't have tickets didn't travel to Spain, there would be no problems. You gott look at it both ways We always have a large away following and many travel without tickets.This shopuld have been known.There was even some that got into the San Siro when it was supposed to be closed.
Again,Villarreal fans had them in their possesion and they should have remained in their possession.




Oh look that guy was murdered! so what? people have been murdered before :rolleyes:Erm.......what guy?:rolleyes:

[AC_]

Exactly - unprepared and unfit to host a major event.

Yes, What did you expect from a club that small? why are Rangers fans the ONLY people who had a problem with it? Celtic, Inter, ManU, Benfica all went there no problems. Radical groups like the Ultras Surs and Boixos Nois travel to el Madrigal but for some reason only Rangers fans had trouble with security. Are you saying Rangers fans need extra security?



We always have a large away following and many travel without tickets.This shopuld have been known.There was even some that got into the San Siro when it was supposed to be closed.
Again,Villarreal fans had them in their possesion and they should have remained in their possession.

Its the Villarreal fans fault that Rangers fans with no tickets travel to Spain and offer them a load of money for their ticket? The blame is on both sides, Don't act like the Villarreal fans forced the rangers fans to buy their tickets. If no one wanted to buy there would be no one to sell it to



Erm.......what guy?:rolleyes:

Just because it has happened before doesn't make it right. There's no logic in that arguement that would make what those hooligans did right.

[Nelly]

Yes, What did you expect from a club that small? why are Rangers fans the ONLY people who had a problem with it? Celtic, Inter, ManU, Benfica all went there no problems. Radical groups like the Ultras Surs and Boixos Nois travel to el Madrigal but for some reason only Rangers fans had trouble with security. Are you saying Rangers fans need extra security? Probably because there were loads more fans than those other clubs travelling which was known for weeks in Scotland but somehow the Spanish police and the Villarreal directors didn't heed the warnings and were thus caught out and were woefully underprepaired.
Im saying Rangers fans,indeed all fans,need better security.


just because it has happened before doesn't make it right. There's no logic in that arguement that would make what those hooligans did right.One drunk fan out of thousands throws a stone or a bottle and it's fucking headline news? To equate this horrible crime with murder is ridiculous.In case you aren't sure there is such a thing as scale and perspective on events.A few football fans throwing objects at a bus is not a big deal and happens week in week out all over the world.

[AC_]

Probably because there were loads more fans than those other clubs travelling which was known for weeks in Scotland but somehow the Spanish police and the Villarreal directors didn't heed the warnings and were thus caught out and were woefully underprepaired.
Im saying Rangers fans,indeed all fans,need better security.

I agreed with you, I said "YES", they were unprepared. BUT my arguement was, can't Rangers fans take responsibility for themselves and their actions? they need other people to tell them what not to do? "Hey don't throw stones at the team bus" Even if only a few thousand ManU fans went to el madrigal if they wanted to cause trouble they could... but they didn't


One drunk fan out of thousands throws a stone or a bottle and it's fucking headline news? To equate this horrible crime with murder is ridiculous.In case you aren't sure there is such a thing as scale and perspective on events.A few football fans throwing objects at a bus is not a big deal and happens week in week out all over the world.

Your defense before was, it happened before, what's the big deal or something along that line. I'm saying that is not excuse for ANY wrong action. Be it something as big as murder or as small as vandalizing. That sort of excuse is not acceptable. Just because it happened to other people before or other people did it its ok? Where's the logic in that

[Nelly]

I agreed with you, I said "YES", they were unprepared. BUT my arguement was, can't Rangers fans take responsibility for themselves and their actions? they need other people to tell them what not to do? "Hey don't throw stones at the team bus" Even if only a few thousand ManU fans went to el madrigal if they wanted to cause trouble they could... but they didn't It's kinda difficult to do anything for yourself when you are packed into tiny,cobbled streets and are being smacked around the head by the police who are on horses.The only crime being that it showed up their lack of preparedness.


Your defense before was, it happened before, what's the big deal or something along that line. I'm saying that is not excuse for ANY wrong action. Be it something as big as murder or as small as vandalizing. That sort of excuse is not acceptable. Just because it happened to other people before or other people did it its ok? Where's the logic in thatThere is no defence.The 'crime' as you say is so small in the grand scheme of things not to matter an iota.Yes....a bus window was broken - hold the front page!! It has happened before and will happen several times in the future I'd bet.If this sort of thing upsets you,I can only assume you haven't been to many football matches.It is not a big issue........yes vandalism is wrong,yes it will continue to happen.Big fucking deal?

[AC_]

It's kinda difficult to do anything for yourself when you are packed into tiny,cobbled streets and are being smacked around the head by the police who are on horses.The only crime being that it showed up their lack of preparedness.

Again YES I agreed with you before they were unprepared.

Didn't the horses come out after the team bus was attacked? I thought that was what we were discussing. Anyway.. now its location. You can't do anything about that.

There is no defence.The 'crime' as you say is so small in the grand scheme of things not to matter an iota.Yes....a bus window was broken - hold the front page!! It has happened before and will happen several times in the future I'd bet.If this sort of thing upsets you,I can only assume you haven't been to many football matches.It is not a big issue........yes vandalism is wrong,yes it will continue to happen.Big fucking deal?

Its not like it only happened to your club this season. Cules spat on Chelsea's team bus in Barcelona and it was on the frontpage too. It had its own segment on Sportscenter asia. Take Beckham for example, he cuts his hair its on the frontpage. Its headline material because of the people involved. The big deal is that Rangers FC is a big club, that and Celtic are probably the 2 clubs that represent Scottish football in Europe and that happens? What if that rock/bottle went through the glass? Is UEFA suppose to wait for that to happen before they act?

[Zoroaster]

'UEFA clear Rangers' did they fuck. They just didnt punish them for their entrenched bigotry. Instead they have passed the buck onto the SPL who will have to act if they want to remain part of UEFA.

Keep in mind UEFA are even considering appealing their own decision!

Rangers anti-papish anti-irish bigotry will land them in the shite.

[lions67]

its always the same when it comes to the huns. put the blame on others for THEIR actions. if the staduim was modern, if they had better police. hers one... if only rangers had better supporters!!!.... you make me sick nelly.

[AC_]

its always the same when it comes to the huns. put the blame on others for THEIR actions. if the staduim was modern, if they had better police. hers one... if only rangers had better supporters!!!.... you make me sick nelly.

Calm down lol even I wasn't that mad when I was debating with Nelly :p

[anglo]

That would be the minority.Ask some Coventry fans who were there this week or Fulham fans pre season etc etc etc
Well,if the Spanish could fucking organize a match properly in a modern stadium with all that entails then there wouldn't be a problem.Instead,thousands of fans get hearded down a small alleyway and forced through 2 tiny dillapidated turnstyles.Also,the fans should know that when their club gets tickets,those tickets are for them and their part of the ground.If the greedy Villarreal bastards hadn't wanted to rip-off over eager Rangers fans then there wouldn't have been a segregation problem in the firt place............oh,and lets not forget the bus incident,I mean that's never happened to any club before has it?:rolleyes:

btw Jimmy.........what is it with all the red,angry faces all over the place? You're overheating ya bawbag.Ye know whit happens to plastic when it gets too hot don't ye? It melts and contorts in to a grotesque mess............ah shit,too late for you ya poisenous wee fuckwit.
Coventry, I know nothing about but Fulham I can talk about.
NO TROUBLE AT ALL!! I was there, I live 2 miles away in Southfields, my neighbours on both sides are Fulham season ticket holders, my bhoy often goes to home Fulham games with 1 neighbour and his son. We went down to Putney pre match doing a mini pub crawl the length of Putney High St. to get to our preferred boozer on the river and the pubs were packed, everyone enjoying the fantastic atmosphere.
We walked to the ground, enjoyed the game(?), walked back to Putney which was still enjoying the same atmosphere had a few more beers and then home about 8pm and never saw one bit of agro all day. My neighbours were not surprised as they had seen this the year before, however they DID NOT have the same opinion when the Ger's came to Fulham.

Segregation problem? There was no trouble in Seville, yet the Celtic fans were all around the ground at the UEFA Cup final.

jimmy Was he the only person that was getting overheated in this thread? Calling someone a "bawbag" and "ya poisenous wee fuckwit" nelly is hardly adding to the debate or are we all to be banned for having the audacity to slate your beloved Rangers? I even thought you two liked each other going by the banter posted at times.
I comment on what I hear and see myself and you are trying to defend the indefensible. There are sectarian songs sung at every game Rangers take part in and that is fact. You could even hear them being sung at the San Siro against Inter and there were only supposed to be club officials at that game.
Not to be one sided, I have frequently heard "Songs of the Old Brigade" sung at Celtic away games but it has been a long, long time since I've heard any "rebel" songs sung at Celtic Park. :)

[Nelly]

jimmy Was he the only person that was getting overheated in this thread? Calling someone a "bawbag" and "ya poisenous wee fuckwit" nelly is hardly adding to the debate or are we all to be banned for having the audacity to slate your beloved Rangers? I even thought you two liked each other going by the banter posted at times.
I comment on what I hear and see myself and you are trying to defend the indefensible. There are sectarian songs sung at every game Rangers take part in and that is fact. You could even hear them being sung at the San Siro against Inter and there were only supposed to be club officials at that game.
Jimmy's banning was his own doing.In fact I didn't even notice it til much later.Nowt to do with me.........even if I wanted to ban him(Which I didn't - he would have been gone long before now if I had made an issu of it)I couldn't.The overheated bit was for the past few days he had the wee red faces on every single post.I'll miss him.:)

As for Fulham........going by what I've heard and read,there was trouble in various parts of London that weekend and Celtic fans were very much to the forefront.

As for bigot this,that and the next thing...........yes,the west of scotland plastic paddy,IRA loving,blessing himself without having a religous bone in his body etc etc is something I personally cannot stand.

To put it simply,your definition of bigot differs from mine.If it's okay to be a fenian and to commemorate and glorify their acts,as you've said the away support of Celtic like belting them out,then it's okay for me to have a wee dislike for the very same thing without being labelled a bigot........or is that too hard to stomache.

Fenian does not mean catholic nor in this instance does it mean mystical Irish warrior from the begining of time.

and another thing...........yous are the huns.Go home ya huns is something I used to sing years ago to you lot.In case you don't know why it was in regard to Irelands less than neutral part in WWII and the amount of young men who suddenly decided to visit uncle Seamus back in Donegal when Scotland was being bombed to fuck by the huns(Germans/Nazis in case you cannot keep up)

[kc123]

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