La Selección

[mosesmalone]

Marca has published a preliminary list of players that Aragonés plans to take to the World Cup, although one spot is still vacant.

The list:

Casillas
Reina
Cañizares

Salgado
Puyol
Pablo
Marchena
Juanito
Sergio Ramos
Pernía
Antonio López

Xavi
Xabi Alonso
Fabregas
Albelda
Senna

Raul
Torres
Villa
Morientes
Reyes
Luis Garcia

The last five players competing for the final spot:

Joaquín
Vicente
Gavilán
De la Peña
Baraja

Is anyone else a little worried about this? Several months ago I was very excited about the prospect of a Joaquín - Xabi Alonso - Xavi - Vicente midfield, but it's now possible that two of those players won't even make the squad. The strength of Spain's team is its midfield, yet Aragonés wants to take eight defenders and six forwards?! I know several of the forwards can drop back to play midfield, but none are as skilled as Vicente or Joaquín. It's a shame that quality players like Cani or Iniesta are cut to make room for a Marchena, Morientes, or Senna.

Thoughts?

[Vip]

I agree with you MM ... it seems that Aragones is debating between Joaquin and Vicente. Vicente has been doubtful all season and Joaquin has not been to his level at Betis.

I would imagine that Aragones is disappointed at their shape and at the team's response in Euro 04, playing them wide.

With Garcia on the right and Reyes on the left, you still have wingers, or players that can open up the field. With Xavi-Xabi and Cesc you have an exquisite midfield that has ball control ala Barza.

My question is ... where is Iniesta? :confused: He has shown that he is a great sub ... the midfielders can have injuries/card problems thru out the competition. Aragones should forget about useless Raul and take Andres.

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[kidujp]

I understand why Raul was selected...but have to question the sanity of the decision. WTF has he done all season. I've to say pretty much the same abt Morientes too.
Well, Spain is going to do what they do everytime in major competitions...no surprises witht his squad.

[fcb_sandy05]

I would definately like to see Iniesta in there.Cani is quality too. But I guess he's going
for tough midfielders like Albelda, Senna to complement the more cultured Xavi and Xabi.
Guess Del Horno isn't going to make it.
Morientes.hmm Pernia has twice as many goals as he does :eek:

[jolagi]

Really doesn´t matter who is finally selected as Spain will follow their tradition of disappointment :(

Raul will go only because of he did in the past because that man is really worn out, but from 3 years ago.

Daniel Alves, if he gets the spanish nationality, Iniesta and De la Peña are must-goers.

[barcalove]

morientes absolutely does not deserve to be there... thats all i have to say for now.

[fcb_sandy05]

The only reason Aragones picks Morientes is his international goal scoring record (has twenty five in fourty starts or something like that) .But he has what, one or two goals in qualification? He's just the managers favourite I guess.
By the way, I think Javi Venta will make the squad over one of the other right backs.

[saurabh]

Looks pretty good to me. Vicente is not fit and Joaquin has not delivered for him so I guess he wants to play Luis Garcia as RF and Reyes as LF, Raul/Torres as CF and Villa as Striker. Since he has opened up this possibility of playing 3 forwards and a striker he need at least 6 forwards in the squad. Villa adds skill, Torres speed, Morientes the prowess in air, Raul experience, Luis Garcia his ability to score at crucial times and Reyes his good run of form. So it all fits in well. Xabi Alonso and Albelda would start in the middle until Xavi is completely fit. Del Horno will make it, I am pretty sure. He is good going forward and will fill the space behind Reyes.

This Aragones seems to be smarter than what I thought, I'll be watching out for España.

I will really miss Vicente, though. He is one of my favourites but if a player is not fit, it is better not to include him in the squad.

I hope Aragones plays Reina in the goal. It will be debated but in the end it will prove to be a wise decision.

[jolagi]

Tomorrow will be official a list of 27 players, and then reduced to those 23 players:

SPAIN FINAL LIST http://informns.k12.mn.us/schoolTIES/files/2733790/01535/racheld/LOGOgirl_walking_with_spain_flag_lg_nwm.gif

GK
Iker Casillas (R. Madrid)
J.M. Reina (Liverpool)
S. Cañizares (Valencia)

RB
Sergio Ramos (R. Madrid)
Michel Salgado (R. Madrid)

LB
Asier Del Horno (Chelsea)
Antonio Lopez (Atletico Madrid)

CB
Carles Puyol (FC Barcelona)
Pablo Ibañez(Atletico Madrid)
Juanito (Betis)

CM
Xabi Alonso (Liverpool)
Xavi Hernandez (FC Barcelona)
Andres Iniesta (FC Barcelona)
Albelda (Valencia)
Marcos Senna (Villareal)
Cesc Fabregas (Arsenal)

RM
Luis Garcia (Liverpool)
Joaquin (Betis)

LM
J.A. Reyes (Arsenal)

FC
David Villa (Valencia)
Fernando Torres (Atletico Madrid)
Raul (R.Madrid)
Fernando Morientes (Liverpool)

Misses: Pernia, De la Peña, Marchena, Vicente, Baraja, Gavilan.

[saurabh]

http://informns.k12.mn.us/schoolTIES/files/2733790/01535/racheld/LOGOgirl_walking_with_spain_flag_lg_nwm.gif


Muy bien. Very good squad and a very good image. Do you also have an image like this with Argentina flag?

:D

[west501]

you gotta have iniesta and de la peña in there!

[eraser2224]

i don't get the whole thing about joaquin. i've never seen the guy be anything but average.

[jolagi]

Muy bien. Very good squad and a very good image. Do you also have an image like this with Argentina flag?

:D


http://images.animationfactory.com/imagedir/animations/sports/miscellaneous/boy_walking_with_argentina_flag/boy_walking_with_argentina_flag_lg_wm.gif

PD: Hope Messi is fit for the champions league Final and carry out an outstanding World Cup with Argentina ;)

[nimme]

Iniesta has been great the last weeks and I think he deserves to be in the team

[bobkat]

The latest news I've read is that iniesta has been given the nod and will most likely be chosen.

That said Del Horno has been given the nod over pernia.

Morientes is still in the lineup - i really don't believe it.

de la pena is NOT in the line up. This amazes me. This guy is quality and definitely deserves at least to be considered.

The group stage benefits the spanish team (though i'm not a spanish national team supporter). This team should at least have a good chance of quarters.

[Dee]

Iniesta is a young xavi. The next best midfielder in spain. Should definetley be in that team. He should be in there over fabregas..

Barca for life

[jpm085]

Iniesta has to go to the WC.

[deviant]

I am stunned that they chose Iniesta and not Guti how many games has this kid played???!?! and still no Vicente Rodriguez wow

[praro]

I am stunned that they chose Iniesta and not Guti how many games has this kid played???!?! and still no Vicente Rodriguez wow

Although i'm a Real Madrid fan, i think Iniesta deserve more than Guti to be in the national team. And Vicente has been injuried a lot of months this season, so i don't think he deserves to go to the WC.

And where is Pernia?, he is better than Antonio López and Del Horno, and he has done a great season, scoring 10 goals. I think he is the player that deserve to be list and isn't, but it will another list, the definitive. I hope he will be in it.

[Allkor]

i don't get the whole thing about joaquin. i've never seen the guy be anything but average.
Cause he playes for Betis... if he got a chance in bigger team, maybe he would imrpove. But it's true he didn't have good season and Vicente either :(
And I agree with those who say that Pernia, De la Pena and above all Iniesta deserve the place... they were all great this year :)
As for Raul... maybe he's not the old Raul we know but could you imagine the national team without him?
The list looks quite good imo, just add the two midfielders above and it's OK :)

[ANTONIO_65]

I'm agree with the list,but I think pernia is better than del horno and antonio lópez,besides he is a specialist in free kicks,spain only have got Xavi and Xabi alonso (but they doesn't score normally)
However I'm bullish with this team and specially with our 3 midfielders (Xabi & Xavi and Cesc)
un saludo

[barcalove]

I am stunned that they chose Iniesta and not Guti how many games has this kid played???!?! and still no Vicente Rodriguez wow
well theres a simple answer to your amazement.. guti is crap and at the end of his mediocre career, while iniesta is very good and still only 21 years old.

[Vip]

The list is out ... no Morientes :eek: , no Baraja and no Guti ...


Atlético de Madrid: Antonio López, Fernando Torres & Pablo Ibáñez.

- Arsenal: Cesc & Reyes.

- Barcelona: Iniesta, Puyol & Xavi.

- Betis: Joaquín & Juanito.

- Chelsea: Del Horno.

- Liverpool: Luis García, Reina & Xabi Alonso.

- Real Madrid: Casillas, Michel Salgado, Raúl & Sergio Ramos.

- Valencia: Albelda, Cañizares, Marchena & Villa.

- Villarreal: Senna.


Keepers: Casillas, Cañizares & Reina
Defenders: Salgado, Sergio Ramos, Puyol, Pablo, Marchena, Juanito, Antonio López & Del Horno.
Midfielders: Albelda, Senna, Xabi Alonso, Joaquín, Cesc, Luis García, Iniesta, Xavi & Reyes.
Forwards: Raúl, Fernando Torres & Villa.



It is a mistake not to take Moro. He is so much more important than Raul. :rolleyes: Since Moro left Real, Raul is a decorative piece.


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[saurabh]

The team looks very good except for the fact that I will not get to see Vicente Rodriguez. I also agree that Nando should have been in place of Raul. But still, it is a very good team and the manager seems to know what he wants to do and that is very good for España.

[Unregistered]

well theres a simple answer to your amazement.. guti is crap and at the end of his mediocre career, while iniesta is very good and still only 21 years old.


Yes Iniesta's 14 starts in La Liga, while Xavi has been out for months, compared to Guti's 32 starts, plus his 37 assists, really shows how Iniesta is better than Guti!! ;)

Iniesta is shit, especially when you have players like Xavi, Xabi Alonso and Fabregas in midfield. He'll probably watch every single game because unlike Guti he is not good enough to make an impact on the team or give manager an extra option. Guti should have been on that list. Other than that it looks fair enough. Nobody expected Morientes to make it anyway.

[Allkor]

Iniesta is shit
Consider your words... it's good to have your opinion but be fair.

[bobkat]

Iniesta is shit, especially when you have players like Xavi, Xabi Alonso and Fabregas in midfield. He'll probably watch every single game because unlike Guti he is not good enough to make an impact on the team or give manager an extra option. Guti should have been on that list. Other than that it looks fair enough. Nobody expected Morientes to make it anyway.

Wow that's hardcore. Iniesta isn't shit. I don't know where you get that idea? He has been an awesome player for probably the best attacking midfield in the world this year. I wouldn't call him shit - he's been able to control tempo, fall back and defend, distribute out of the midfield with vision and accuracy.

His impact on barcelona's success this year was very big - he will be a great sub for the national team. I would venture to say that the impact iniesta has brought his team has 8/10 times been positive in winning the match. Can Guti say as much? More starts and poorer performance doesn't get you selected to the national team. Don't be sore because he's from barca try and realize what's best for the team!

On another note - the addition of joaquin is a good one. I was worried he wouldn't be selected.

Finally if anyone other than iniesta was to be picked I would have pickd De La Pena - that guy really impresses.

[Allkor]

On another note - the addition of joaquin is a good one. I was worried he wouldn't be selected.

Finally if anyone other than iniesta was to be picked I would have pickd De La Pena - that guy really impresses.
I'd rather pick De la Pena instead of Joaquin. I like him, but according to the last season and the form of this two... :( But I'm quite ok with the squad, hope they can prove themselves this time :)

[saurabh]

I'd rather pick De la Pena instead of Joaquin. I like him, but according to the last season and the form of this two... :( But I'm quite ok with the squad, hope they can prove themselves this time :)

Will you say the same thing if Joaquin joins Liverpool?

[Allkor]

Will you say the same thing if Joaquin joins Liverpool?
lol, what a question :) Yes, I would... if he was playing like this year... it wouldn't change anything if he switched club... I said I like him and I like whole Betis, but I also want Spain to perform their best ;) Hopefully he can play his best in WC :) Enough? :)

[Unregistered]

His impact on barcelona's success this year was very big - he will be a great sub for the national team. I would venture to say that the impact iniesta has brought his team has 8/10 times been positive in winning the match. Can Guti say as much? More starts and poorer performance doesn't get you selected to the national team. Don't be sore because he's from barca try and realize what's best for the team!




Your first team player, Xavi, has been out for months. And Iniesta only manages 14 starts! That tells you something about how much impact he has at Barca!!

And yes Guti and Becks have been carrying Real this season. With Raul and Zidane out with injuries and Pablo Garcia being 100% crap, Guti and Becks have been all midfield power that Real had. So his form has been very good this year.

I don't care if he plays for Barcelona. What are you, 6? I like Xavi and eventhough he's been out for months I support him to be included because he is a good player. But Iniesta is nothing compared to Fabregas, Xavi, Xabi Alonso and Guti.
I think it's you who give "extra" to Barca players since you call Iniesta "best attacking midfielder in the world"!! lmfao!

[juansre]

Salgado, Pablo, Marchena, Juanito, Antonio López, Del Horno, Albelda, Joaquín, Raúl, Fernando Torres.

Those 10 players have had an horrible season. Where's Palop, David Castedo, Aitor Ocio, Javi Navarro, Jesús Navas from de UEFA Cup winner? Where's David López from the Osasuna (4th)? Cani, De la Peña, Tamudo, De la Peña, Mario Pernía, Diego Rivas?
Obviously, they aren't so "mediatic" as those 10. So the "Selección" will be doing (again) ridicously.

[Allkor]

I think it's you who give "extra" to Barca players since you call Iniesta "best attacking midfielder in the world"!! lmfao!
He didn't say anything like that :rolleyes:

Salgado, Pablo, Marchena, Juanito, Antonio López, Del Horno, Albelda, Joaquín, Raúl, Fernando Torres.

Those 10 players have had an horrible season. Where's Palop, David Castedo, Aitor Ocio, Javi Navarro, Jesús Navas from de UEFA Cup winner? Where's David López from the Osasuna (4th)? Cani, De la Peña, Tamudo, De la Peña, Mario Pernía, Diego Rivas?
Obviously, they aren't so "mediatic" as those 10. So the "Selección" will be doing (again) ridicously.
Hmmm... it could be a bit confusing two have to De la Penas in the team ;) But as for the others, I think it wouldn't make such a big impact to change them. I agree with Jesus Navas, he'd deserve the chance, but his ime will come yet. Otherwise the quality is kinda the same. The chosen team also has to have some experience...

[bobkat]

Your first team player, Xavi, has been out for months. And Iniesta only manages 14 starts! That tells you something about how much impact he has at Barca!!


Barcelona is riddled with awesome midfielders ... 14 starts is not bad for a 21 year old untested in international play. He started in CL as well mind you! He's also come on as a sub and done extremely well. Impact on the game has been excellent each time he's subbed in or started. And while we've missed Xavi very much it didn't impact the result of our season much did it? ;) Especially with players like Iniesta and vbommel stepping up at crucial times.

I don't care if he plays for Barcelona. What are you, 6?

Flame much?

I think it's you who give "extra" to Barca players since you call Iniesta "best attacking midfielder in the world"!! lmfao!

Just look at my post a little more closely. I said barcelona had the best attacking midfield this year. And that Iniesta has been part of that. I never called Iniesta the 'best attacking midfielder in the world'. That's just you trying to flame/put words in my mouth.

On to more important topics!

Those 10 players have had an horrible season. Where's Palop, David Castedo, Aitor Ocio, Javi Navarro, Jesús Navas from de UEFA Cup winner? Where's David López from the Osasuna (4th)? Cani, De la Peña, Tamudo, De la Peña, Mario Pernía, Diego Rivas?
Obviously, they aren't so "mediatic" as those 10. So the "Selección" will be doing (again) ridicously.

I agree with De La Pena, jesus navas, cani, and ESPECIALLY Pernia. Pernia had an excellent year as did De La Pena and i'm sad those two didn't make it.

[Allkor]

omg I overlooked Pernia! :eek: damn, he should definitely be there... I've already said this in the other thread about Spain WC squald... how could I omit him, lol :)

[juansre]

Hmmm... it could be a bit confusing two have to De la Penas in the team ;)

:D :D I was triying to say Luis García.
I know about experience, but what makes you win is the form. That 10 players are in poor-poor form. The one's I said are great. But that's the same old story. Quarterfinals, spain going home.

[Unregistered]

He didn't say anything like that :rolleyes:




He edited it out. ;)
I should have not deleted the second part of his original post in my quote.

Just look at my post a little more closely. I said barcelona had the best attacking midfield this year. And that Iniesta has been part of that. I never called Iniesta the 'best attacking midfielder in the world'. That's just you trying to flame/put words in my mouth.


Yes you did. Here are you exact words: "he is probably the best attacking midfielder in the world this season". And you know it. And I'm not even going to have a conversation with someone who won't take responsibility for things he/she says. Be a man and stand by what you said.

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Again, whatever impact Iniesta might have had, Guti has had a much greater impact on Real this season. Without him and Becks, Real would have been fighting for a UEFA cup spot.

[bobkat]

Wow that's hardcore. Iniesta isn't shit. I don't know where you get that idea? He has been an awesome player for probably the best attacking midfield in the world this year. I wouldn't call him shit - he's been able to control tempo, fall back and defend, distribute out of the midfield with vision and accuracy.

His impact on barcelona's success this year was very big - he will be a great sub for the national team. I would venture to say that the impact iniesta has brought his team has 8/10 times been positive in winning the match. Can Guti say as much? More starts and poorer performance doesn't get you selected to the national team. Don't be sore because he's from barca try and realize what's best for the team!

On another note - the addition of joaquin is a good one. I was worried he wouldn't be selected.

Finally if anyone other than iniesta was to be picked I would have pickd De La Pena - that guy really impresses.

This is my FULL post. Read it. It's unedited - you can tell because when a post is edited it says "edited by bobkat at xx:xx:xxxx time" or something like that. I'm done talking to you. Your worthless opinions stem from your inability to reconcile the absolutely atrocious season RM put forth this year and the fact that have not done anything respectable in the last 3 years. Not a single trophy. Cry about it if you must, but don't call me a liar.

[Allkor]

He edited it out. ;)
LOL :D

Again, whatever impact Iniesta might have had, Guti has had a much greater impact on Real this season. Without him and Becks, Real would have been fighting for a UEFA cup spot.
:rolleyes: The charm of pointless conversation... :) I understand your argument, but we're kinda in the same situation. Without Andres our midfield would be ruined for months... and when he comes as a sub, the game gets new tempo. I respect Guti, he's important for Real, but I doubt he is so important to the national team...
...enuff said, I don't see any point in discussing this :)

And next time... don't insult players

[praro]

I have already said it. Iniesta deserves the election more than Guti. If he hadn't played more games as starter is because Rijkaard hadn't wanted. I have seen Iniesta since he had 10 years (in an under 12's tournament which was showed in TV), and all people were talking about him, that he was going to be a great player. I think he has proved it this season in great matches. Why doesn't he deserve the place in the final squad?? Do you think that Guti will give to the team more than Iniesta? I don't think so, but it just my opinion, and all of us will prefer a player. It's just tastes.

Salgado, Pablo, Marchena, Juanito, Antonio López, Del Horno, Albelda, Joaquín, Raúl, Fernando Torres.

Those 10 players have had an horrible season. Where's Palop, David Castedo, Aitor Ocio, Javi Navarro, Jesús Navas from de UEFA Cup winner? Where's David López from the Osasuna (4th)? Cani, De la Peña, Tamudo, De la Peña, Mario Pernía, Diego Rivas?
Obviously, they aren't so "mediatic" as those 10. So the "Selección" will be doing (again) ridicously.
I agree with you with David Castedo (a great left defender), Pernía (the same), and Jesus Navas (one of the fast players i have seen, and with great dribbling). Luis Aragones should have picked up them instead of Antonio López, Del Horno and Joaquín. Also Javi Navarro could have gone instead of Marchena

[barcalove]

and for anyone that hasnt figured out the blatantly obvious yet:

clayman666 = kult ov azazel = Unregistered.. that should be disclaimer enough (ie.. his other usernames have been banned, but hes been allowed to return)

:rolleyes:

the fact is, you probably havent watched enough of barca's matches this year and from the sound of it definitely havent seen the ones where rijkaard himself (on more than one occassion) said that iniesta was the best player on the pitch (over ronaldinho). iniesta has been MAGIC this year, its been his year to show people what hes capable of with all the holes in our midfield. he has played as an attacking midfielder and as a ball winning defensive midfielder. he dictates tempo, flow and passing from his position(s) with ease, confidence and a bit of swagger. which is awesome to see.

trying to compare guti with iniesta is really not fair to guti, because he doesnt have even close to the amount of potential and skill that andres posesses.

guti has had a few good games here and there, but hes one of those players that can go COMPLETELY invisible during a match and carry that form on for a few games, then get dropped.. then come back and make one back heeled pass to zidane and everyone in madrid is ready to get on their knees to him. soooo funny. plus hes a big baby that runs his mouth way too much and it gets him in trouble all the time.

for me, no comparison at all. these two players are on totally different planes of existence in the football world. i mean, hell if guti is so important (at 28-29 years old) why cant he hold down a starting place in a weak real madrid lineup? hes been fourth, third and second fiddle in madrid for 10 years for christ sake! andres is young, and getting starts for the first time in his career while appearing in almost every match as a sub (as he did last season).

[Ralle]

It's nice with Cesc in there. He has shown off his skills this season and is Spain's midfield captain in the future. Right now there are a lot of good players in front of him.

[saurabh]

clayman666 = kult ov azazel = Unregistered.. that should be disclaimer enough (ie.. his other usernames have been banned, but hes been allowed to return)

:rolleyes:


:eek: But hey... clayman666 was a good guy, even if he supports Madrid. I hate Madrid myself but that does not mean I'll hate all their supporters. I didn't know his id was banned. He is a good chap. I love Messi, he may hate Messi but hey, we are all humans.

The fact is Iniesta is there in the squad and Guti isn't. And that cannot be changed now. Good luck to Iniesta but I hope Xabi steals the show. ;)

[Unregistered]

Whatever. I just don't see any reason why I should go on responding to a coward who edits his posts and goes ":rolleyes:", and another dude who actually believes Iniesta is better than Ronaldinho!

Oh and the reason Guti never became a major midfield powerhouse for Madird is because no-one on their right mind would ever bench the likes of Zidane and Redondo. I don't think Rijkard will ever bench Xavi or Ronaldinho and let Iniesta play!!

Guti is a class player. I guess we'll all see the HUGE impact of Iniesta in Germany!! lmao!

[barcalove]

Whatever. I just don't see any reason why I should go on responding to a coward who edits his posts and goes ":rolleyes:", and another dude who actually believes Iniesta is better than Ronaldinho!

Oh and the reason Guti never became a major midfield powerhouse for Madird is because no-one on their right mind would ever bench the likes of Zidane and Redondo. I don't think Rijkard will ever bench Xavi or Ronaldinho and let Iniesta play!!

Guti is a class player. I guess we'll all see the HUGE impact of Iniesta in Germany!! lmao!
bleh.. i liked it better when you were banned. forgot how stubborn and ignorant you are. yeah, i believe iniesta is better than ronaldinho :rolleyes: mmk.

[bobkat]

muahahahahaha 'edits post' muahahahaha. learn2flame.

[Unregistered]

bleh.. i liked it better when you were banned. forgot how stubborn and ignorant you are. yeah, i believe iniesta is better than ronaldinho :rolleyes: mmk.

Well you actually believe that "Rijkard picked Iniesta over Ronaldinho as best player on the pitch". And you obviously don't realize that the only reason a manager would pick another player over the most important player on his team is that his star wouldn't get too cocky and his youngster wouldn't get discouraged. Ronaldinho is at least 2-3 levels above Iniesta, my friend. Iniesta hasn't been better, and will never be better than Ronaldinho for 5 minutes, let alone a whole game. ;)

muahahahahaha 'edits post' muahahahaha. learn2flame.
Had nothing better to say, huh? No surprise. ;)


I'll bring up this thread after WC and we all can discuss all the positive effects of your great Iniesta during the WC here!! ;) :D :rolleyes:

[stcronaldo]

big fan of spain this season, hope they break their jinx at the world cup, i think they could be contenders, the squad seems fair but i think taking 3 centreforwards is a mistake, unless aragones plays with wingers which i think he will do.

i'd replace iniesta with morientes. granted morientes has been shit but he's still a CF and his national record is good, , i can imagine him coming on as a sub and heading in a goal outta nowhere like he always does if spain are trailing. if more than one of the attackers gets injured they could be in trouble, spain have too many midfielders and iniesta is prob the least experienced along with fabregas, but fabregas is too good to not be included

[barcalove]

Well you actually believe that "Rijkard picked Iniesta over Ronaldinho as best player on the pitch". And you obviously don't realize that the only reason a manager would pick another player over the most important player on his team is that his star wouldn't get too cocky and his youngster wouldn't get discouraged. Ronaldinho is at least 2-3 levels above Iniesta, my friend. Iniesta hasn't been better, and will never be better than Ronaldinho for 5 minutes, let alone a whole game. ;)
despite the fact that he is the best player in the world.. it is possible for another player to outshine him on any given day. iniesta has had a number of matches where he has been extremely influential and possibly even more important than ronaldinho at moments. rijkaard of course is referring to his work ethic and the unsung duties he performs to help players like ronaldinho do what he does.

would you care to argue some more?

[Unregistered]

would you care to argue some more?


What's the point? If Valdes was included in the national team, Barca fans would call him the best GK in the world! ;) :D
As I said in my previous post I'll make sure this thread is up after WC so we can all come together and count the minutes that Iniesta played in Germany, if he plays at all. ;)

[barcalove]

What's the point? If Valdes was included in the national team, Barca fans would call him the best GK in the world! ;) :D
As I said in my previous post I'll make sure this thread is up after WC so we can all come together and count the minutes that Iniesta played in Germany, if he plays at all. ;)
whats the point indeed...

again you counter with point(s) that are largely irrelevant. not a single person in this thread has attempted to say that iniesta will start, or even play. all we've said is that he deserves it. most likely he wont play much at all... spain are taking alot of midfielders, many with much more experience and the rest are above him on the pecking order.

so ya, go ahead bring it up all you want.. not really going to do a whole lot. and about valdes? do some searching/reading... we all know iker is the best keeper, reina, canizares, pinto after him... not really surprised he didnt get called up. anything else?

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whats the point indeed...

again you counter with point(s) that are largely irrelevant. not a single person in this thread has attempted to say that iniesta will start, or even play. all we've said is that he deserves it. most likely he wont play much at all... spain are taking alot of midfielders, many with much more experience and the rest are above him on the pecking order.

so ya, go ahead bring it up all you want.. not really going to do a whole lot. and about valdes? do some searching/reading... we all know iker is the best keeper, reina, canizares, pinto after him... not really surprised he didnt get called up. anything else?


Exactly. He is a tourist. Good for him. I hear German chicks are nice. Maybe he can get laid or something since even his fans don't think he'll play! ;) :D

And I said IF Valdes was included, you'd come out and say "Oh he deserves it!". Or my favorite Barca fan, bobkat, would say he is the best GK in the world this season!! :D ;)

[barcalove]

Exactly. He is a tourist. Good for him. I hear German chicks are nice. Maybe he can get laid or something since even his fans don't think he'll play! ;) :D

And I said IF Valdes was included, you'd come out and say "Oh he deserves it!". Or my favorite Barca fan, bobkat, would say he is the best GK in the world this season!! :D ;)
sigh... you bore me.

[Allkor]

blaaah

[bobkat]

zomg valdes didn't get picked for the WC team?????? HOW CAN THIS BE? I can't believe MAXI LOPEZ didn't get picked for argentina's squad OMG i'm going to suicide now!!!

*cuts wrists*

:rolleyes:

[phenomenom]

zomg valdes didn't get picked for the WC team?????? HOW CAN THIS BE? I can't believe MAXI LOPEZ didn't get picked for argentina's squad OMG i'm going to suicide now!!!

*cuts wrists*

:rolleyes:

hey mate don't commit suicide.

anyway, i have a feeling that aragones will bring on jose reina for casillas if there is penalty shoot-out.

[DriveShot]

Yes Iniesta's 14 starts in La Liga, while Xavi has been out for months, compared to Guti's 32 starts, plus his 37 assists, really shows how Iniesta is better than Guti!! ;)

Iniesta is shit, especially when you have players like Xavi, Xabi Alonso and Fabregas in midfield. He'll probably watch every single game because unlike Guti he is not good enough to make an impact on the team or give manager an extra option. Guti should have been on that list. Other than that it looks fair enough. Nobody expected Morientes to make it anyway.

Well put! Where's the love for Guti?