All Allegations Up to 19th May, 2006

[djcash50]

I hope some body stickies this to the start of this section, since the Serie A is in turmoil, but I wanted to keep track of all teams involved in this, since the team with the highest place in the league, without being penalized, would take the Title from Juve. Here is what is going on So Far:

Juventus: Fixed matchs, pickin refs, selective yellow cards, false budgeting, coaching non-Juve players, player betting.

Milan: Pickin referees in Serie A

Inter: Pickin referees in CL

Roma: Accused of being Moggi's bitch (no offense to giallorossi, but Moggi was in Full control.)

Fiorentina: Match Fixing, Pickin Refs. DS Corvino suspended for 6 months over transfer rigging with Lecce.

Lazio: Pickin Refs. Rigging of Share Prices.

Udinese: 21 players called up on betting allegations.

Cagliari: Chimenti charged for sports betting.

Lecce: Faking the age of some under 14 players. Fined 25,000 EURO

Sampdoria: Match fixing against Fiorentina.

Remember, these are just ALLEGATIONS, but these are the problems going on now. If anyone has anything to add or amend, let me know.

[Supa]

Wow, thanks for the rundown.

[deviant]

funny now that it has been revealed that Inter are in this there hasnt been an Inter fan in sight.

Inter Milan were dragged into the Italian football scandal after an intercepted telephone conversation involving the club's president were published in Italian newspapers.

In the conversation, Giacinto Facchetti is told well in advance which referees will be allocated to Inter's Champions League first round matches against Valencia and Anderlecht in the 2004-05 season.

Under UEFA rules, clubs are to be informed of their referee for European matches 48 hours prior to kick-off.

Facchetti gets the tip-off from Pierluigi Pairetto, the then head of the Italian referees association and former member of UEFA's referees' commission.

Pairetto tells Facchetti a month in advance that Urs Meier will referee the Valencia game, and two weeks in advance that Kyros Vassaras has been assigned to the Anderlecht match.

Pairetto is under investigation for sporting fraud after conversations between him and former Juventus director Luciano Moggi, the central figure in the Serie A match-fixing scandal, were printed in the press.

Moggi, who is also suspected of sporting fraud, tells Pairetto which referees he wants for certain Juventus matches in Serie A and in Europe.

[tifoso-inter]

what a pathetic attempt to try and get inter into all this crap...

MORATTI: "Some people would like to confuse the situation here. I've read carefully the transcript of that phone call, which proves once again what fair, honest, clean and respectable person Facchetti is. You can't confuse a simple request for information with a demand, an order about your team and others. One thing is asking what's the weather like, another is to try and dictate the rules."

The transcript shows Facchetti simply being notified of which refs had been selected for the games against Anderlecht, Valencia and Werder Bremen. This was done after the choices had been made.

MORATTI: "This is further proof that Facchetti is completely clean. Our President is a fantastic person, this matter is yet another proof of it. We should be very careful about confusing who's done what in this scandal.


juve fans are just a joke at this stage.

hah, hahahaha... look at the juve fans. :)

[phat]

what a pathetic attempt to try and get inter into all this crap...

MORATTI: "Some people would like to confuse the situation here. I've read carefully the transcript of that phone call, which proves once again what fair, honest, clean and respectable person Facchetti is. You can't confuse a simple request for information with a demand, an order about your team and others. One thing is asking what's the weather like, another is to try and dictate the rules."

The transcript shows Facchetti simply being notified of which refs had been selected for the games against Anderlecht, Valencia and Werder Bremen. This was done after the choices had been made.

MORATTI: "This is further proof that Facchetti is completely clean. Our President is a fantastic person, this matter is yet another proof of it. We should be very careful about confusing who's done what in this scandal.


juve fans are just a joke at this stage.

hah, hahahaha... look at the juve fans. :)


Your such a clown. Why do you even bother posting?

[zoom77]

Your such a clown. Why do you even bother posting?

I actually like him.

Here's for ther great post tifoso-inter

http://www.syvum.com/iosundry/squizzes/math/quarter1ff.gif

and come again later.

[gunnersfan]

great low down thanks :)

[deviant]

what a pathetic attempt to try and get inter into all this crap...

juve fans are just a joke at this stage.

hah, hahahaha... look at the juve fans. :)
even with fixing games Inter still blows lol BLOWS

[tifoso-inter]

I love you all.

and hey, at least you can look forward to the Torino derby next year!

[phat]

I love you all.

and hey, at least you can look forward to the Torino derby next year!

If its the case, I can't wait!

Either way it's better then Inter finishing second to AC Milan AGAIN.

[zoom77]

The Calcio's crisis took a new turn today that might affect the result of the decision.

Corriere della Sera and Rai Sport both of them wrote today saying that a new evidence that Galliani did the same exact thing that Moggi did. The two newspapers gave scripts for recorded tapes including talking about appointing refs for specific game(mentioned by dates and teams’ names) for Milan in season 2004/2005.

http://www.raisport.rai.it/sportarticolo/0,10719,38104,00.html

http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2006/05_Maggio/25/intercettazioni.shtml

Now would the investigators have the courage to relegate both big teams? And how would that affect the Azzurri in WC 2006??

Things just keep getting worse every minute.

However, I can’t help feeling disgusted by everyone tried to convince the whole world that even though the system is corrupted but somehow Juventus benefits from it more than other and somehow Juventus is worse than everyone else. And I don’t think anything will change their mind even with this new evidence.

And If we were to discover tomorrow that Inter,Roma,Viola and the rest of the Calcio teams did the same still Juventus is the worse.

[zaffo]

To just lay the blame all on Juve isnt right and i just hope that if other clubs have done what Juve are reported to have been involved in then everyone gets the same punishment.

[narduch]

It's looking like all of Serie A should be relegated at this point :D

This seems to be the easiest solution.

Next season: Atalanta v. Mantova for the Scudetto!

[zaffo]

The whole System is fooked not just the teams and boards. The whole of italian football needs to be rebuilt and cleaned up

[zoom77]

This link in English.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&pubid=968163964505&cid=1148555337392&col=1053692575155&call_page=TSS_Cricket&call_pageid=1044529390736&call_pagepath=Sports/Cricket

[matidbr]

Peruzzi: We were Moggi's sheep
Saturday 27 May, 2006
Former Juventus goalkeeper Angelo Peruzzi claims Luciano Moggi was the shepherd and the rest of the football world his sheep.

“Moggi was the shepherd and all of us in football were his flock. In the mornings he’d open the gate and take us up to graze, pointing each of us in a certain direction,” explained the shot-stopper in a curious metaphor.

“There were areas with high grass and those where it was greener. Then at night we’d all return home, sated and happy, without worrying whether or not the grass we’d eaten was good. He also milked us.”

Full story:www.channel4.com (http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/may27k.html)

Shit, they have some A-grade weed in Coverciano training base. :p

[opm1s6]

alright, i've stayed on the sidelines for a while just soaking this all in and if i may, i'll give you my thoughts.

This entire saga really has greater implications, not only to soccer but to the italian way of life. I don't remember much from my time in Italy, but from jokes during family gatherings, it is clear that this kind of thing is not limited to football, but is a national epidemic, where bribery (at whatever scale is not morally reprehensible to the extent it is in other nations). That is just an opinion from family and from news stories about a score of politicians, who have done a very good job of setting an example.

I see that you have two real problems. The first is obviously, how this affects football. Nationally, it will definitely be devastating, but even if the teams are relegated what guarantees are there that it won't happen again? Even if they placed some sort of bureaucratic structures in the way, I think it wouldn't change much. Penalties have to be monetary, not just relegation. These teams need to be severely punished and relegation won't change Juve's finances all that much, while relegation and a 20 million euro fine would. The other thing I've noticed is how wide spread this is. Holy shit, look at the list. Half of the teams in the league are implicated and the rest haven't been looked into yet. Going back and forth between each other isn't constructive. How about throwing out some ideas on how to make the league more transparent?

On an international scale is where I'm really afraid. This talk about CL refs might be false, but it might have implications that it is not just the Italians. This could be everyone from Man Utd, Liverpool to Chelsea, to Barca and Real. Could you imagine how devastated football could be if this thing really spread. Even if nothing ever linked any other teams to this ref fixing, it would provide concrete proof that would scar and undermine future games for decades. You think steroid use is a big issue? It would be nothing compared to this. Lastly you'd never hear the end of it from the Americans, who always subconsciously look for a reason to justify their blindness to football. How much respect does the MLS have when its link to sport that is significantly corrupt? You might not think that link is direct or relevant, but it is and it has significant consequences to the growth of the sport and the way it is perceived. It doesn't have to be factual or direct to be significant. Respect is hard to gain, but easy to lose. Here's a link care of slipperydave - link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/5037494.stm)


The second issue is the national mindset of Italians. Don't know it well enough, but to see so many news stories the last five years on either vast corruption scandals in politics and football might just be a signal of a much larger problem. Stories of corrupt tax agents and the like might be rumor, but in general there is something broader that might need to be fixed. do you agree? if so how do you even start to create a higher ethical standard?

With every story, it causes instantaneous reactions from opposing fans and right away there is a hate-fest. A lot of issues to consider, but hope we can focus on them instead of hammering your opponent’s in the name of your team. It is meaningless when your sport lacks the respect it should carry.


btw the way GO BOLOGNA! at this rate they'll end up with the scudetto

[Yiannis]

Guys,what month should we expect the decision of the authorities?Mid-July?

[narduch]

Guys,what month should we expect the decision of the authorities?Mid-July?

The judge running the investigation previously stated that all of the punishments should be handed down by July 26 or 27. This date is significant because it is the deadline to let UEFA know which clubs will participate in Euro competitions.

[Yiannis]

The judge running the investigation previously stated that all of the punishments should be handed down by July 26 or 27. This date is significant because it is the deadline to let UEFA know which clubs will participate in Euro competitions.

Thanks for the briefing mate.

[zoom77]

Lastest News

Deschamps calls Juve

Didier Deschamps has offered himself to Juventus, even if they go down to Serie B, as Fabio Capello closes in on Real Madrid.

There are increasingly strong reports that Capello has decided to move back to Madrid if Calderon wins the Presidential election and, even if that doesn’t happen, is not prepared to stick with Juve in case of demotion as part of the Calciopoli scandal.

The search for an alternative is on and the prime candidate appears to be former Bianconeri midfielder Deschamps.

“To Coach Juventus would be an honour,” said the 38-year-old in newspaper ‘La Stampa’ this morning. “I would also agree to stay on their bench in Serie B.”

The Frenchman wore the Juve jersey from 1994 to 1999 and most recently was fired as Coach of Monaco, while Michel Platini has put his candidacy forward.

Another option hitting the headlines this weekend has been former Milan and Inter boss Alberto Zaccheroni, who would reportedly be willing to begin again from the Second Division.

However, the most popular candidates after Deschamps are still ex-Livorno tactician Roberto Donadoni and Walter Novellino of Sampdoria.

Source: Football Italia

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PS: In the other topic, commenting one of my posts, some child sent me a 3 lines message saying:
Shut the F*** up
Juve is cheaters
Bottom line
That’s it
No excuses

And of course no name

Please grow up and have some self-respect. If you can't be a man enough to write your name, don't write at all.

[phat]

PS: In the other topic, commenting one of my posts, some child sent me a 3 lines message saying:
Shut the F*** up
Juve is cheaters
Bottom line
That’s it
No excuses

And of course no name

Please grow up and have some self-respect. If you can't be a man enough to write your name, don't write at all.

You should see how many of those I have. :D

[zoom77]

You should see how many of those I have.

It's ok, they'll grow up one day ;)