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Brigadier

20-06-2006, 11:30 PM

A few people showed interest in knowing what's going on, on another thread. So instead of hijacking that thread, thought it best to start another. Feel free to add info as and when it comes in.

A few bits and bobs from the other thread:

I've been following it religiously. As of now the only candidate that has even showed a plan is Villar Mir. He wants a superjefe. One man to be the manager and general manager of the team. That's why he's looking at experienced coaches (Wenger, Capello, Ancelotti, Lippi), the rumour is that by next week, Villar Mir will present his trainer/gen manager. That person will have absolute control and Villar Mir already said the president and board should have litttle to no say on transfers

I don't like Calderon. That all mail fiasco he wants to nullify? He was part of the board that agreed to it. His general manager is an agent? wtf. And to top it off that agent was the same person that brought Eto'o from Mallorca to Barca.

Villar Mir and Sainz on the other hand are Madridistas through and through. Both were born Madrid fans. Villar Mir's father and grandfather were Madridistas. He was already a socio when Perez was still at grade school. :p

Well Drachen can do the points, I'll leave you guys with these lovely descriptions of the candidates that I pilfered from elsewhere:

Lorenzo Sanz - big, scary looking former president who looks like he could bear hug his opponents to death, like a WWF wrestler.

Villar Mir - miserable, sour faced old bugger who has the look of a South American dictator shortly before ordering a firing squad to deal with some pesky opponents.

Arturo Baldasano - like a kindly uncle. Will be rolled over by his opponents in due course.

Juan Palacios - sports a bright orange tan and a brilliant white shiver-inducing beaming smile. Like a shark on PCP.

Ramon Calderon - Despises Lorenzo Sanz and has look of a man who is contemplating how many ways he can kill you with a tooth pick.

Front runner Villar Mir - whose face seems to be everywhere these days - has been accused by another candidate, Baldasano of ‘lacking humility’. Villar Mir has himself had pop at Palacios - another candidate - by informing him that Real Madrid “is not a watch market” - a reference to his rival’s main job as founder of the Viceroy jewellery company. Ramon Calderon has attacked all his rivals by claiming that his campaign is “the only one with real substance”. Villa Mir responded with "none of the other candidates have what it takes to run a club like Real".

It's like Sunset Beach!

And now some new stuff stolen again from elsewhere:

Ramon Calderon’s right hand man, Pedja Mijatovic, claims that he has made a verbal agreement with Robben and Kaka to come to Bernabeu should his boss win the upcoming elections.

Arturo Baldasano declares that Roberto Carlos, Helguera, Pavon, Woodgate, Graveson, Pablo Garcia and Cassano would all be booted out of the club under his regime.

Ramon Calderon’s team have taken the electoral fight to cyber space and placed a banner add next to any google search of rival candidate Villar Mir.

Lorenzo Sanz is keen to poach Sevilla’s director of sport, Monchi, as his own.

If all this has given you a taste for more then these are the web sites of all the major candidates.

www.lorenzosanz.es
www.palacios2006.com
www.baldasano.com
www.villarmir-carlossainz.com
www.ramoncalderon.com

ehm05

21-06-2006, 12:03 AM

....also spanish radio "la cadena ser" said today that Villar Mir has signed Arsene Wenger for 4 seasons and 5 million euros per season :eek:

drachen

21-06-2006, 12:47 AM

....also spanish radio "la cadena ser" said today that Villar Mir has signed Arsene Wenger for 4 seasons and 5 million euros per season :eek:

same announcement on AS and MARCA

http://www.as.com/futbol/as/clubes.php?competicion=0321&ideq=1

http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/1a_division/real_madrid/es/desarrollo/661463.html

Those 2 rarely agree on something like this... this is just schocking

Brigadier

21-06-2006, 01:16 AM

Those 2 rarely agree on something like this... this is just schocking

Surely it's a sign of the forthcoming apocalypse? :D

deviant

21-06-2006, 01:18 AM

if you see this man DO NOT VOTE FOR HIM hes Perez in disguise.
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/936/fsd6zg.jpg

drachen

21-06-2006, 01:44 AM

if you see this man DO NOT VOTE FOR HIM hes Perez in disguise.

Really? :eek: I don't see the resemblance. The hair does look familiar though

Anyway, the news on Wenger is that the deal was signed a few days ago. 4 years, 5 million a year. Not only AS and MARCA is reporting this. A very reliable spanish source, kinda like the reuters of Spain, also reported this

rmcf

21-06-2006, 04:37 AM

Really? :eek: I don't see the resemblance. The hair does look familiar though

Anyway, the news on Wenger is that the deal was signed a few days ago. 4 years, 5 million a year. Not only AS and MARCA is reporting this. A very reliable spanish source, kinda like the reuters of Spain, also reported this

Yep, de la Morena confirmed on Cadena Ser & he's almost never wrong!

vemerez

21-06-2006, 04:52 AM

drachen

21-06-2006, 06:45 AM

Let me introduce you to the candidates. I don't know alot about them but I'll post what I can about their history. I know alot about Villar Mir because he's a public figure, the rest... don't know anything about them personally

Juan Miguel Villar Mir
http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/6bc1f6288villarmirfotooficialp.jpg

Former vice president of Spain and Finance minister
A Real Madrid socio since 1944
Grandfather, father, and sons were/are all Madridistas
Doctor of Civil Engineering and valedictorian of his class, Bachelor of Law, Graduate of the Economic Development Institute in Washington D.C
Member of the Spanish Royal Academy of Engineering.
President of the Spanish Association of Civil Engineers between 2000 and 2004
President of the Villar Mir Group, his company has a turnover close to 5 billion euros

Ramón Calderón Ramos
http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/6bc1f6288calderonfotooficialp.jpg
Lawyer
Part of Florentino Perez's board
Ran for Vice president in 1998
Backed by Grupo Prisa, a massive media conglomerate that controls El Pais, Cadena Ser, Cuatro, and Diario AS

Lorenzo Sanz
http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/e5d3f6288xlorenzosanzp.jpg
A businessman involved in real estate and construction
Ex president of Real Madrid
I really really hate him
He bought Davor Suker and Predrag Mijatovic with his own money
The club won 2 Champions league under Sanz
During his time as president, the club was plagued with financial problems
Close to buying Parma FC, but was unable to meet the deadline for payment
Again... I really hate him

I don't know much about these 2, I think one is a lawyer and the other has a watch company or something

Arturo Baldasano Supervielle
http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/7b0436288baldasanookp.jpg

Juan Palacios
http://www.realmadrid.com/addon/img/6bc1f6palaciosoficialp.jpg

Rev

21-06-2006, 06:54 AM

Wow, talk about a sucker punch. Wenger!!!??!!?!!?!!!?
Wasnt he supposed to stay at arsenal forever :o
Okay, so first we had the selling of key players, then galicticos now what? French immersion :shocked:???:confused:
Villar Mir :( trying to do a psuedo barca, well at least he has a plan. I dunno, I said rebuild stage I just didnt think it would be this shocking.

I still don't see Wenger leaving Arsenal, like I already said in another thread, he finally got Henry to extend his contract and signed Rosicky. Also, Arsenal is finally geling together and their rebuilding process is almost complete (maybe another promising defensive midfielder and a center back).

Zico

21-06-2006, 09:19 AM

This is shocking... as much as I don't think its true its kind of impossible that all those different news agencies reporting the same thing.

I guess it has to be true :eek:

drachen

21-06-2006, 11:26 AM

I think Cadena Ser is doing a follow up story on this a little later on their program You can check their site for details if you get Cadena Ser

oh and on real madrid tv, 8:30 local time, they're going to interview all the candidates. Details are on the official site

vemerez

21-06-2006, 11:54 AM

Ill try to watch it, but 8:30 local time, im assuming you mean 20:30, is game time here and i will have to see how it goes. Man I came back here to read this thread like 4 times in the past 8 hours, lol. wow man.

drachen

21-06-2006, 01:56 PM

Wenger is denying everything as expected. 2 possibilities

1. He really didn't sign anything
2. Remember the Figo transfer? Figo denied being linked to Perez and alot of people thought Perez was crazy. When Perez won, All of a sudden the rumours were true.

If Wenger says "Yes, I will coach real madrid if Villar Mir is elected as the new president"

Then Calderon wins. Where does that leave Wenger? Go back to a club where the fans will probably hate him or find another job

The denial was totally expected.

Brigadier

21-06-2006, 05:12 PM

Is it possible that Mir's PR team perhaps started these rumours? It's the kinda thing that would serve you well in the run to the elections.

Harv

21-06-2006, 05:28 PM

The entire footballing world will be absolutely shocked if Wenger does indeed end up coaching Real...

Especially after Henry signed...and the move into the new stadium...

nikk86

22-06-2006, 12:20 AM

The entire footballing world will be absolutely shocked if Wenger does indeed end up coaching Real...

Especially after Henry signed...and the move into the new stadium...

Who is that girl in your sig? She distracts me all the time. :D

drachen

22-06-2006, 12:28 AM

Is it possible that Mir's PR team perhaps started these rumours? It's the kinda thing that would serve you well in the run to the elections.

The journalist who announced this, de la Morena, is a very reliable source. He was the first man to announce the Beckham transfer and announced Zizou's retirement even before zizou or any othher news agency announced it. He doesn't f*ck around and most of the time he's right. He wouldn't risk is reputation for a few votes for Villar Mir

Last night Carlos Sainz (running for Vice president with Villa Mir) was askied about this, he replied "I cannot confirm or deny as it would cause problems with FIFA".

So... We now know why they didn't want the story to leak out and now if it really wasn't true, he would just say "No, the rumours are not true" etc etc

I've spoken with 2 socios who seem to think this is really a possibility

DMprorR

22-06-2006, 06:16 PM

The entire footballing world will be absolutely shocked if Wenger does indeed end up coaching Real...

Especially after Henry signed...and the move into the new stadium...

That would also go into the unbelievable tranfer sagas.

People like Figo are already on the list, Wenger would just be another addition. But it would be a very big shocker considering he gives this I will never leave Arsenal attitude.

DMprorR

22-06-2006, 06:22 PM

if you see this man DO NOT VOTE FOR HIM hes Perez in disguise.
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/936/fsd6zg.jpg

+Reps for the pic.

Hahahahahah
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

But I can't tell. Is there any resemblance? hmmmm

I think he gets my vote. he looks like a mean guy that we need right now.

Brigadier

22-06-2006, 06:58 PM

Joaquin’s father has claimed that Real Madrid candidate Juan Palacios has been tapping up his son to use as bait for potential voters in the upcoming presidential elections.

Senor Palacios has also called Villar Mir a big fat liar for claiming that Arsene Wenger has agreed to take over as manager, should Mir win the vote. Lovely :rolleyes:

drachen

23-06-2006, 02:20 AM

From MARCA

Villar Mir: "No puedo aceptar ni negar que haya un acuerdo con Wenger"

Roughly translate "I cannot accept nor deny that we have an agreement with Wenger"

ok... that's helpful :rolleyes:

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Mijatovic's (Calderon camp) list according to MARCA

Defense: Carvalho, Abidal or Zambrotta
Midfield: Cesc, Kaká, Diarra and Emerson
Forward: Ruud van Nistelrooy.

He was in Germany for a few days. I don't know if he's still there though

Rev

23-06-2006, 04:19 AM

If I get to vote, I'd vote for Villar Mir, that is if he does bring Wenger to Real, because with Wenger you don't really need big name players. We all know he can turn an "okay" player into an exciting player. With Real's spending power and Wenger's intelligence, we can definately put up a fight with Barca and every other big teams around Europe.

drachen

23-06-2006, 10:00 AM

MARCA is reporting that Arsene Wenger has already submitted his plans to Villar Mir. They added that Villar Mir could present Arsene Wenger as his manager next week, along with his other signings

Villar Mir was interviewed yesterday, he never denied signing arsene wenger, he just kept saying that he will bring the best trainer to Madrid.

He was asked if Arsene Wenger was the best one. He replied he is one of the best 3-4 managers in the world. If he wins on July 3, Real Madrid will have an excellent manager

He was asked about the possibility of Spain NT coach Aragones as his coach, he said, it was suggested to him and he has the highest opinion of him but he is not the solution

He was then asked about Mourinho, he said Mourinho is a born winner and his hate for Barca makes him likable for Madridistas :p

Regarding new players. Villar Mir said he would buy 4 new players

He will make his official announcement before July 2.

And he was asked about the whole issue about Baldasano buying votes. He said, not only Baldasano , but also the other candidates.... except for us :p

jpm085

23-06-2006, 11:17 AM

Thanks for posting it. It gives me a better view on it.

drachen

23-06-2006, 04:27 PM

Here are the Wenger related parts of Villar Mir's interview

Will Wenger come to Madrid?
The truth is I guarantee that if I win the elections, Madrid will have a first class coach.

Wenger seems to me the best one?
Wenger is an excellent manager, he is one of the three or four best in the world. On the 3rd of July we will have the most excellent manager. I am delighted that I can speak about as important a person as Wenger being involved

Have you spoken with the president of the Arsenal?
On this subject and in respect to the clubs, that are very important institutions, in respect to the players and the members I cannot confirm or deny anything.

Have you spoken with Arsene Wenger? Do not lie.
I never lie. I prefer not to answer.

You signed him for 4 years.
On the subject as a whole I cannot confirm nor deny

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hmm...

Brigadier

23-06-2006, 05:30 PM

Zico

23-06-2006, 05:35 PM

Hmm, I don't know.

It seems to me Villa Mir is making promises he has no intention of following through with or just very vague ones, to make sure he wins. The Barca elections a few years back was somewhat similar.

If I recall correctly Man Utd confirmed that they did agree with Laporta... its the player that refused to sign.

I think this is a totally different situtation... this is more similiar to the Figo situtation with Perez were Perez said he'll get Figo and Figo denied it but we all know what happened :)

I wonder how the Arsenal fans would feel about Real Madrid... I was thinking about it today & I don't think they should hate the club because its Arsene that has accepted to move if he does. Its not the same as trying to sign a player who starts to moan & cry about how he doesn't feel that he wants to play for the club and he wants to leave so the club is forced to sell him, e.g. Makalele.

drachen

23-06-2006, 05:48 PM

Brigadier

23-06-2006, 05:56 PM

Like I said on the other post, MARCA reported that Wenger gave his plans to Villar Mir. On the interview Villar Mir admitted to signing 4 players. If Wenger takes Fabregas and Reyes (both have been linked to Villar Mir before) with him. Gooners are gonna be more than mad :p

And I will be very happy indeed! Although I wonder about Fabregas, he is catalan, he still has a Barca season ticket, I wonder if he would choose to go to Madrid?

drachen

23-06-2006, 06:17 PM

If Wenger was involved, maybe he would be tempted to join

GaGaGooner

23-06-2006, 06:22 PM

July 3? So that means I have to put up with the will he/won't he for another ten days (and perhaps even a little longer after that). I cannot blame Wenger if he were to go, but I would be extremely upset that he did not see out the end of his current contract.

Reyes? I guess he can go, he seems like he would flourish in La Liga. Fabregas you can forget about, Arsenal would be pissed if they lost Wenger, but to lose the future of Arsenal at this point at the same time (sooner or later Fabregas might leave, but right now is too soon) would be unacceptable.

That is it, I am throwing all my weight behind Palacios!

realGaurab

23-06-2006, 06:42 PM

MADRID, June 19 (Reuters) - Real Madrid presidential candidate Arturo Baldasano has threatened a clear-out of several players including Brazil's Roberto Carlos if he wins the club's election on July 2.

'I am not going to interfere in the sphere of the sports director but as a fan I think we need to get rid of some players,' Baldasano told a news conference on Monday.

'From the defence Roberto Carlos, Ivan Helguera, Jonathan Woodgate and Francisco Pavon. From midfield Thomas Gravesen and Pablo Garcia, and up front Antonio Cassano.'

He added he would also like to speak to captain Raul, midfielder Guti and Brazil striker Ronaldo to check that they were still committed to the club.

Baldasano said he would share his thoughts with his sports director Vicente del Bosque, who will be supported in his role by former Germany international Uli Stielike.

Two weeks ago Baldasano announced that he had spoken to England's Sven-Goran Eriksson about being coach for next season.

Five candidates are standing in the election that was called when the board ousted president Fernando Martin just two months after he replaced Florentino Perez at the end of February.

Source (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=371781&cc=5901)

drachen

23-06-2006, 07:04 PM

opps. double post

drachen

23-06-2006, 07:06 PM

Baldasano has no chance of wiining. He's probably in the bottom 2 with Sanz

Anyway, for those of you who have cadena ser, Villar Mir and Juan Palacios will have a debate on wedneday

(They were chosen because according to their poll, those are the top 2 candidates)

Even if you don't have cadena ser, I'm sure they'll release an article containing the interview.

That is it, I am throwing all my weight behind Palacios!

Good thing you're not a socio :p Palacios wins, Camacho is the general manager of the club :( I dont want that. But he would probably be my second choice because even though I don't trust him, I trust the other people involved in his candidacy

Fabregas you can forget about

There's a article on MARCA saying Mijatovic already contacted Fabregas' agent :p

i didn't read the whole thing yet so i don't know what the story behind it is yet

Brigadier

23-06-2006, 09:29 PM

Reyes? I guess he can go, he seems like he would flourish in La Liga.

Whatever gave you that idea? :rolleyes:

Korbenn

24-06-2006, 07:28 AM

I would love Reyes to play on our left side, freeing Robinho to a supportive striker or an attacking mid field role. Then all we need to do is to let Raul go so he won't take Robinhos spot.

Just a while ago I still thought this 'Wenger to Real' thing was just desperate hype to win votes but now I'm thinking it could turn out excellent for Real and that it might actually be a possible turn out. I'm slowly getting behind Villar Mir & Carlos Sainz.

drachen

25-06-2006, 01:37 AM

Baldasano has signed Diarra from Lyon. If he wins, Diarra will have a 5 year contract with Real Madrid

Baldasano is the candidate that chose SGE as his coach... f*ck off!

GaGaGooner

25-06-2006, 02:35 AM

Whatever gave you that idea? :rolleyes:

Did you want a serious reply or was that just one of many digs at Reyes? I am not having a go, I want to know because I am going to attempt to answer it seriously and it would be nice to know it was not all a waste. If anything I said so far or have said since has a negative tone to it, I assure you that is not the case.

Henry plays so wide left from time to time and Reyes has done a poor job exploting the leftover space from that. The times that we have seen Ljungberg or Pires out there they move into different areas to try and help. When Henry went down this season early on, Reyes was arguably the best player in the side (Lehmann and probably Toure notwithstanding). He is a tweener when it comes to that secondary striker or a winger role and he has been moved back and forth so much it has been awfully confusing for him I am sure. These are not defenses for him because the blame does rest on his shoulders, just reasons as to why he has not succeeded as well as he could.

I think he has never completely settled and he has never really attempted to much like Cesc has or many of the Liverpool players have. Comfort and confidence are two things I think he tends to rely on more than other players and without the first he cannot have the second (others could, he seems as if he cannot). The lack of confidence is shown by his willingness to go down instead of going at someone and going down because of subsequent contact. Perhaps it is the pace of the English game, or the physicality, but I think he does have a lot of talent and he could become a very good player maybe it just has to be in La Liga (I hope it is with Arsenal, it still has the possibility, just less and less with time).

And to drachen, if Wenger goes (I hope he does not and I do not believe in my heart he will, but football is a funny thing, heck all sports are now) I could certainly see Cesc follow, I am just hoping the first domino is kept standing so the remainders are safe.

drachen

25-06-2006, 03:17 AM

GaGaGooner read Villar Mir's latest inyterview, Even the other candidates are already trying to make it look like Perez was behind the Wenger deal. Why would they do that unless they know Villar Mir already has Wenger

I translated it with an online translator and changed a few parts because it didn't do a very good job :p

Spanish version - http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Pido/publicamente/perdon/Bosque/le/he/herido/dasftbA00/20060625dasdaiftb_40/Tes/

The announcement of the hiring on the part of its candidacy of Arsene Wenger can give an electoral upset?
You know that by respect to the person and his club I am not going to deny nor to confirm anything, but I am already certain that that journalistic filtration in very prestigious means has pierced deeply between the partners.

Seems to me that Wenger will be the Figo of these elections?
I believe so. Without entering who is or not going to be the trainer-mánager who we have chosen, it is clear that the history of the Madrid only deserves that we consider one of the best in the world in that position, and the coach of the Arsenal is among them.

Ramon Calderón has affirmed that the negotiation with Wenger has been work of two men of Florentino and not of you and Carlos Sa'inz.
How is someone going to negotiate by my account? Who says that I do not know. Everything I have obtained during my professional life I have done it by myself, and never I let nobody decide for me. Be the technician, We all have negotiated it. We have made it between my person and other men of confidence designated by me.

They say you reached an agreement with the Arsenal to pay a big compensation to let Wenger leave.
I cannot affirm nor deny nothing. But I say to him that Madrid is a serious club and it is going away to see when is official the appointment of the general trainer-mánager. With me never we will enter the house of nobody by the back door. I will not negotiate with a player or a coach without its club being informed

Will you announce the new acquisitions before the 2 of July?
In our project they are going to continue coming to Madrid the best players in its positions. We have agreed to that also other candidacies had estimated. The coming week we will announce several signings and all have been proposed by our general trainer-mánager.

Cesc and Reyes can come from the hand of Wenger.
I am not going to give names, but it is certain that I am going to hispanicize (More spanish players) the team, without forgetting that the great World stars always will have a place in Real Madrid if I am president

GaGaGooner

25-06-2006, 03:25 AM

Like I said, anything is possible. It would be a direct slap to the face of Henry (and to Rosicky and to the signings of the last year and to the board and to the fans) if Wenger did leave before seeing out his contract, if he did it when it ran out, that would be fine. Wenger owes Henry as much as Henry has owed Wenger in the past.

If it is that rumored thirty million business, thanks but no thanks. I will admit the price of Reyes has taken a drop and we cannot expect as a club to make a profit on his transfer, but to suggest he and Fabregas are worth that little? No way.

Brigadier

25-06-2006, 11:37 AM

Did you want a serious reply or was that just one of many digs at Reyes?

Haha no on both counts. You said he would flourish in Spain. My reply was just a little pisstake considering he established himself in Spain. :p

On with the show:

Lorenzo Sanz has also made a thinly veiled accusation to Mir that he has been ‘buying votes’ from Real Madrid members, “Anyone who sells their vote for 30 euros, does not deserve to be a member of this club”.

Meanwhile, Mir - the former construction tycoon - has been busy denying any involvement in a 30 million euro corruption scandal - ‘el caso Recol’.

Arturo Baldasano has said that he would love to see Fernando Torres at the club and either Del Bosque or Eriksson as manager.

Ramon Calderon has promised eleven new players at the team ranging from Chivu to Robben.

Rev

25-06-2006, 10:32 PM

I cannot wait to see whatever happens to the election. Of course my vote goes to Villar Mir considering he's going to bring Wenger. Even though Baldasano and Ramon Calderon are going to bring in promising/star players, without a good coach, I think it is just going to end up like what happened the past 3 years.

drachen

26-06-2006, 01:48 AM

Diarra's agent has said that all of the candidates are interested in Diarra so he will not tie himslef to a specific candidate. I suppose they'll negotiate after the elections

ehm05

26-06-2006, 09:31 PM

....antena 3 tv said today that Juan Miguel Villar Mir had a deal with cristiano ronaldo for 4 years and 4 millions euros per year :eek:

drachen

27-06-2006, 06:22 AM

....antena 3 tv said today that Juan Miguel Villar Mir had a deal with cristiano ronaldo for 4 years and 4 millions euros per year :eek:

Portuguese Press also reporting that :eek:

I think Villar Mir is slowly leaking his candiadcy to various press agencies. He has an interviw on AS in roughtly 5 and a half hours, hopfelly he'll sort all this out. Its getting confusing

Brigadier

27-06-2006, 02:11 PM

The candidates have continued to poke fun at their rivals:

“He doesn’t have a project and wouldn’t even know how to plan one”
- Ramon Calderon attacking Juan Palacios

"All the other candidates are bad. They just represent continuity”
- Arturo Baldasano

“My big rival in winning the election is Florentino Perez, as he’s the one continuing to run the club”
- Lorenzo Sanz, on Perez (obviously).

A judge today will decide whether that postal ballots sent in for the election will count towards the final total. Although they are the only means of voting for many club members not living in the capital, a case has been brought before the courts by Ramon Calderon - with the backing of three other candidates - due to the fear of vote buying.

Cristiano Ronaldo has 'backed' Villa Mir saying "he has made the most serious offer and the most interesting plan”.

Random Marca polls:

38% of people want Ibrahimovic at the club next year (do socio's not watch the World Cup?).
22% of people expect Mir to win.
42% of members still undecided on who to vote for.

nikk86

27-06-2006, 02:27 PM

I heard Mir wants Ronaldo 9 to stay, is that correct?

drachen

27-06-2006, 02:47 PM

I heard Mir wants Ronaldo 9 to stay, is that correct?

From what i've been reading, Villar Mir already has CRonaldo :p

Zico

27-06-2006, 06:39 PM

I heard Mir wants Ronaldo 9 to stay, is that correct?

I wish that its true... it would be awesome if he stays but they need to tell him that he won't be starting every game because I don't think he can specially when he is not in form.

barcalove

27-06-2006, 06:45 PM

whatever these guys will say anything to get into the hot seat.. dont believe a word of it until it actually happens. learnt this lesson from laporta promising beckham (thank god that didnt work out! :) ) and him going to madrid ;)

drachen

28-06-2006, 05:57 AM

AS reporting that Robben will play for Madrid if Calderon wins

http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Mijatovic/ata/Robben/anos/gana/Ramon/Calderon/dasftbA00/20060627dasdasftb_25/Tes/

4 more days of this and it can finally be over

deviant

28-06-2006, 07:35 AM

drachen

28-06-2006, 07:57 AM

both Robben and Ronaldo??

Calderon has Robben, Villar Mir has CRonaldo

deviant

28-06-2006, 08:18 AM

Calderon has Robben, Villar Mir has CRonaldo
my vote goes for Cristiano and Villar Mir. :cool:

drachen

28-06-2006, 08:55 AM

If Villar Mir wins, This guy (Sainz) will be our VP. He has got to be the coolest VP in the world of football. I read (don't know if its true), one time while he was racing, he hit a giraffe... very cool

http://www.motorpasion.com/archivos/images/carlos_sainz.jpg

http://www.totalmotorsport.co.za/images/citroen_03_big.jpg

praro

28-06-2006, 10:08 AM

If i were socio my vote would go to Juan Palacios. His coach is Del Bosque (the best) and his general manager is Jose Antonio Camacho.

My opinion of the rest of candidates:
Lorenzo Sanz: Thief
Villar Mir: Florentino Perez is hidden in this candidature, so it would like the last three years.
Calderon: I have nothing against him, he is my second preference.
Baldasano: This man is funny. He buys votes for 10€, and he gives 35€ and tickets for Shakira concert for 50 votes. It's amazing. He will get less than 2%.

Zico

28-06-2006, 10:15 AM

Villar Mir: Florentino Perez is hidden in this candidature, so it would like the last three years.

Perez's only downfall was interfering in sporting matters... so if Villar Mir is saying that he will stay out of the sporting aspect then I would support.

I'm not a big fan of Camacho because he is ill tempered, a player might show up late to practice and he'll be sold - only for us to find out later that the player was late because he got into an accident :eek:

I won't support any ticket that has Camacho's name on it... quitting after the first 3 games of the season is absurd and I still haven't healed from it because I haven't heard any apology from him... I know Perez had to do a lot with it but he still owes us an apology.

drachen

28-06-2006, 12:57 PM

I'm not a big fan of Camacho because he is ill tempered, a player might show up late to practice and he'll be sold - only for us to find out later that the player was late because he got into an accident :eek:

I won't support any ticket that has Camacho's name on it... quitting after the first 3 games of the season is absurd and I still haven't healed from it because I haven't heard any apology from him... I know Perez had to do a lot with it but he still owes us an apology.

Exactly! Palacios wants to make the man who rejected Xabi and bought Woodgate to become general manager. The man who twice gave up on Madrid.

And I don't see how Villar Mir's plan is similar to Perez. First of all, Villar Mir is focusing on the management aspect of the team, Perez never did that. And second, its the other candidates that are throwing in names out there w/o any proof. Calderon says Kaka, days later Kaka signs a new contract with Ac Milan. Sanz Says Adriano, the day itself Milan rejects the rumour then Sanz takes it back. Baladasano, he has SGE as his coach, enuf said. Villar Mir on the other hand, the player that he is after confirmed that he is telling the truth

drachen

28-06-2006, 02:15 PM

Calderon has confirmed kaka, Robben and a young Spanish player will be at Madrid next season if he's elected :rolleyes: the saga continues

praro

28-06-2006, 02:30 PM

And I don't see how Villar Mir's plan is similar to Perez

More than six members of his board are from Florentino's board. Florentino gave him a building where all the Real Madrid's presidents talk, although Calderon and Palacios asked for it before.
And i have heard a lot of things here in Spain that relationed Villar Mir with Florentino (for example in "El Larguero" De la Morena said it)

saurabh

28-06-2006, 04:28 PM

Its only a matter of time before somebody promises to sign Rafa Benitez, to win the election. :rolleyes: They will promise anything to win the election.

barcalove

28-06-2006, 06:03 PM

cirque du madrid!

http://www.southbeach-usa.com/art/cirque/images/cirque1-b-500.jpg

Nelly

29-06-2006, 12:10 AM

Its only a matter of time before somebody promises to sign Rafa Benitez, to win the election. :rolleyes: They will promise anything to win the election.If they promise to stop you posting........they'll get my vote.

And my Granny's as well.;):p

deviant

29-06-2006, 12:11 AM

If they promise to stop you posting........they'll get my vote.

And my Granny's as well.;):p
amen to that !

drachen

29-06-2006, 12:53 AM

More than six members of his board are from Florentino's board. Florentino gave him a building where all the Real Madrid's presidents talk, although Calderon and Palacios asked for it before.
And i have heard a lot of things here in Spain that relationed Villar Mir with Florentino (for example in "El Larguero" De la Morena said it)

1. Is it not possible that those 5 people (I think it was 5) are qualified to stay on the board? Calderon was on Perez's board, if he didn't run for president he seems qualified enough to stay
2. Florentino said he was supporting Villar Mir, yesterday Villar Mir said his support was hurting his candidacy and he's not simila to Perez. Compare their sports model. lightyears apart

drachen

29-06-2006, 05:49 AM

Calderon has signed Fabregas according to AS. That's Baldini from roma, he joined Calderon's candidacy

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/6719/653fd.jpg

Brigadier

29-06-2006, 01:33 PM

I don't think this is true at all, but stranger things have happened.

Tottenham Hotspur midfielder Michael Carrick is a target for Real Madrid presidential candidate Lorenzo Sanz, who claims he has agreed a deal for the England schemer.

The in-demand star who was at the heart of the Spurs side which qualified for this seasons UEFA cup has also been the subject of interest from Manchester United as they bid to replace Roy Keane.

This interest may make it hard for Spurs to convince Carrick to extend his stay with the London club as he only has 2 years left on his contract and is yet to sign a new deal or pledge his future to the club.

Martin Jol said that Spurs are not interested in selling their star midfielder but have yet to comment on the apparent deal with Madrid.

drachen

29-06-2006, 01:53 PM

You might aswell ignore that, Sanz will never win

drachen

30-06-2006, 01:16 AM

Ramon Calderon has said last night, that if he loses, he will tell the next president how to get Kaka. But if he wins, Kaka WILL play for Madrid

:rolleyes: whatever. I'll believe it when I see Kaka wearing white in the Bernabeu

drachen

30-06-2006, 06:17 AM

Found this on Reuters

ARTURO BALDASANO
Aged 60, lawyer and economist

Slogan: "Bring back the excitement"

Background: Has cast himself as an independent candidate because he is the only one never to have been on the Real board. Only gained 1.7 percent of the vote when he stood against Perez in 2004.

Plans: Has said he has an agreement with England's Sven-Goran Eriksson to take charge as coach and that he will appoint Vicente Del Bosque as sports director supported by former Germany international and Real player Uli Stielike.

Wants to bring more Spanish players into the side.

Possible signings: Joaquin (Real Betis), Jose Antonio Reyes, Cesc Fabregas (both Arsenal), Mahamadou Diarra (Olympique Lyon).

RAMON CALDERON

Aged 55, lawyer

Slogan: "Follow your instincts"

Background: Board member under Perez and Fernando Martin.

Plans: On the board the last four years, he says he has inside knowledge as to where things went wrong, and therefore what to put right. Has promised not to interfere in the signing of players.

Will appoint former player Predrag Mijatovic, who scored the winner for Real in the 1998 European Cup final, as sporting director and has spoken of bringing Fabio Capello back as coach.

Possible signings: Kaka (AC Milan), Arjen Robben (Chelsea).

JUAN PALACIOS

Aged 58, president of multi-national watch and jewellery business

Slogan: "What would you like to win?"

Background: A board member under former president Mendoza and vice-president under Lorenzo Sanz.

Plans: Looking to Real Madrid old boys to turn things round. Will appoint former Spain and Real boss Jose Antonio Camacho as sports director and Del Bosque as coach.

Has announced a deal to sponsor Formula One world champion Fernando Alonso.

Possible signings: Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Gianluca Zambrotta (both Juventus), Andres Iniesta (Barcelona).

LORENZO SANZ

Aged 63, property speculator

Slogan: "And now let's talk about football"

Background: Club president between 1995 and 2000 when Real won a league title and two European Cups.

Was accused of leading the club to the brink of financial ruin and was ousted by Florentino Perez in the 2000 election. Failed in his bid to regain control of the club when he was heavily defeated by Perez in 2004.

Plans: Highly critical of the Perez era and the David Beckham signing and claims the club's finances are in disarray. Promises to make sporting success the club's main objective and to balance the books.

Has an agreement with Vicente del Bosque to return as coach.

Possible signings: Michael Carrick (Tottenham Hotspur), Fernando Gago (Boca Juniors), Zambrotta, Emerson (both Juventus), Khalid Boulahrouz (Hamburg SV)

JUAN MIGUEL VILLAR MIR

Aged 74, construction magnate

Slogan: "Fighting spirit and hunger for victory."

Background: A trained engineer and politician. A vice-president under the late president Ramon Mendoza. Seen by many as the continuity candidate with links to Perez.

Plans: Will have former world rally champion Carlos Sainz as his vice-president. Wants to appoint Arsene Wenger as a general manager/coach with the power to sign players.

Possible signings: Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United), Fabregas, Reyes.

Brigadier

30-06-2006, 01:07 PM

LOL, those must be some of the worst slogans in history!

drachen

30-06-2006, 07:12 PM

LOL, those must be some of the worst slogans in history!

maybe it sounds cooler is Spanish :p

Anyway... so much "signings" are being announced by candidates right now, i don't even wanna waste my time posting them :p It'll be over i 2 days anyway

deviant

30-06-2006, 08:06 PM

thanks for the info

Brigadier

30-06-2006, 10:03 PM

Oooh, things are getting fun now:

Four of the candidates Baldasano, Calderon, Sanz and Palacios petitioned a judge to call a suspension to the postal voting.

There was suspicions that a campaign of vote buying and signature forging was being run by the fifth contender, Villar Mir. These were also accusations levelled at former president, Florentino Perez in the last poll (this was never proved however). Baldasano himself publicly burned 1863 votes cast to himself claiming that he wanted a ‘clean’ election to show his apparent comittment to the cause.

On Tuesday, the judge decided to rule in favour of suspending the vote on the grounds that the whole business was far too dodgy to continue. This was much to the chagrin of Mir who claimed that Real Madrid members not lucky (or unlucky) enough to live in the capital were being robbed of their democratic rights.

At the time of the decision, 3000 votes had been received at the stadium’s collection point.

On Thursday, police were called to the Bernabeu, when another 4000 ballots were suddenly found - reportedly in a cupboard. No one knows when or how they arrived but they appeared at some point between Wednesday and Thursday.

Although a judge is decide today what to do them and try and shed some light on how they got there, some of the candidates were happy to point a finger. Ramon Calderon declared yesterday: “Villar Mir had 5000 postal votes...he wanted them snuck in.” Former president, Lorenzo Sanz, running again blamed his old enemy: “The guilty party has a name. And it is Florentino Perez” - also reported to be Villar Mir’s main backer.

It'll be over i 2 days anyway
Look's like you're gonna have to wait a bit longer :p

Quotes:

“Palacios is my friend. I respect him. He sells watches, very well”
- Villar Mir pays a lovely compliment to his fellow candidate - currently the owner of the Viceroy watch company.

“Villar Mir was a Francoist minister and is a man without a single democratic conviction”
- Ramon Calderon gets himself struck off the favourite’s Christmas card list.

“We will focus on making the team more Spanish...and international”
- Palacios, making little sense.

“They will all be with us on the 3rd July, if I win. If not, I will resign”
- Lorenzo Sanz is extremely confident of his five potential signings - Carrick, Emerson, Boulahrouz, Zambrotta and Gago.

DMprorR

30-06-2006, 11:04 PM

So after 2 days, we are going to be cursing or happy. Either way, this is going to be hard for who ever gets in. The players to kick out (and for what reason) and the players to bring in with the coach (if at all their promises were right).

Zico

30-06-2006, 11:36 PM

I just hope its the begining of a good era... a healthy era, were footballing success is the only measurement of sucess.

I don't expect a trophy this year though :( Maybe the copa del rey :o :confused:

drachen

01-07-2006, 03:58 AM

Look's like you're gonna have to wait a bit longer :p

The election will still be held on July 2 and the winner will still be announced possibly July 3

That ruling by the judge only means that only votes made inside the Bernabeu by the socios will be counted. Socios from all over spain will have to travel to Madrid to make one vote :rolleyes: I expect a low turnout

--

the candidates have already voted. As expected there was some tension in the room

http://www.as.com/composition/images/das/das/por/2006/07/1151721044.jpg

Brigadier

01-07-2006, 12:31 PM

The election will still be held on July 2 and the winner will still be announced possibly July 3

That ruling by the judge only means that only votes made inside the Bernabeu by the socios will be counted. Socios from all over spain will have to travel to Madrid to make one vote :rolleyes: I expect a low turnout

Aww, damn, I was hoping that they would go through with that signature matching expert that someone suggested (think it was Baldasano), that would have taken weeks!

drachen

01-07-2006, 12:54 PM

I expect the counting of the ballots to go fast since around 26,000 socios live outside Madrid and I doubt majority of them will travel all the way to the Bernabeu just to vote. Plus, alot of them are probably on vacation

This move by Calderon might p*ss of some socios

drachen

02-07-2006, 02:28 AM

According to AS, the winner will be announced 11PM local time

praro

02-07-2006, 02:35 PM

MARCA.COM

Arturo Baldasano
6,9%

Ramón Calderón
25,8%

Juan Palacios
24,9%

Lorenzo Sanz
9,1%

Juan Miguel Villar Mir
17,5%

It seems that it is going to be between Calderon and Palacios.

Silas

02-07-2006, 02:37 PM

I hope Mir wins by a miracle.

Zico

02-07-2006, 03:26 PM

I hope Mir wins by a miracle.

Me too... the other 2 choices are shocking... I think they will destroy the club.

From what I read Mir had the best plan... what the hell are the socios thinking?

drachen

02-07-2006, 03:48 PM

:p Don't believe that poll.

MARCA's poll is based on some 4000 socios that they asked. As of now, more than 10,000 have voted. How can that be accurate?

a pic outside the Bernabeu
http://www.marca.com/06/07/02/elecciones_realmadrid/11.jpg

GaGaGooner

02-07-2006, 04:00 PM

:p Don't believe that poll.

MARCA's poll is based on some 4000 socios that they asked. As of now, more than 10,000 have voted. How can that be accurate?

"Represenative sample" (though I doubt it was done in the most scientifically prudent way) for most polls they take a much smaller percentage of the whole so assuming the all the figures are correct I would have to say that is a pretty good display of what it might break down like (though I agree there is no way of knowing until it is all said and done with).

I told you I was going to throw my weight behind Palacios! :p

drachen

02-07-2006, 04:17 PM

"Represenative sample" (though I doubt it was done in the most scientifically prudent way) for most polls they take a much smaller percentage of the whole so assuming the all the figures are correct I would have to say that is a pretty good display of what it might break down like (though I agree there is no way of knowing until it is all said and done with).

That theory can't be applied here. A MARCA rep approaches a group that happens to have all voted for Calderon, but fails to ask a bigger group that voted for palacios earlier. That's what's difficult in making exit polls. They choose people at Random.

Anyway... I'm still confident Villar Mir will win. I actually want him to win just for the sake of making Carlos Sainz vice president. i heard a rumour that Villar Mir will only serve one year as president, then step down ans let Sainz take over :o

GaGaGooner

02-07-2006, 04:30 PM

That theory can't be applied here. A MARCA rep approaches a group that happens to have all voted for Calderon, but fails to ask a bigger group that voted for palacios earlier. That's what's difficult in making exit polls. They choose people at Random.

Anyway... I'm still confident Villar Mir will win. I actually want him to win just for the sake of making Carlos Sainz vice president. i heard a rumour that Villar Mir will only serve one year as president, then step down ans let Sainz take over :o

That is why I said I doubt it was done scientifically (though exit polls never are, I threw out the term representative sample instead of random sample, my apologies), but with that sort of percentage of a whole to date it is impressive all the same. To my knowledge exit polls are supposed to be blind and are done at random, they are not the most accurate telltale sign of what is to come, they are there to get a feel for what has happened as well as hopefully ensure that there has been no fraud. They can be wright and they can be wrong, but I do not think it is always one or the other.

To me, writing off that poll is as much your head as it is your heart (and believe me I cannot blame you and this is not a criticism, merely an observation), you heavily favor one candidate and I would tend to believe that if that early poll favored him you might not be as quick to dismiss it. We will see in time who gets elected (and who misses out on Wenger :p ). Best of luck with you getting the result you want.