The Young Brazilian Prosepects thread... [Archive]

R9magia

04-07-2006, 06:08 PM

Tiranis suggested I start a thread giving people the heads up on some prospects and possible stars in the future. Every year there are a bunch of players who stand out.

The first prospect I'll bring up is Wagner Ferreira dos Santos. Wagner is 21 plays for Cruzeiro and is currently having a break out season. He is a left-footed offensive midfielder/second striker (more the ladder) who has quick dribbles and devastating accuracy in front of goal for a midfielder (like a Kaká). He is also a free-kick specialist. He is not as good of a passer as a Ronaldinho or Alex (Fenerbahce), he is a player who will look to score more than to give a pass. He is still capable of great passes though. Despite all of this season as an offensive midfielder, he already leads the Campeonato Brasileiro with 8 goals in 10 games. He has played for the Brasil U 17 and U 20 squads.

Here is a clip of Cruzeiro's last game before the World Cup. Wagner had one assist and two goals. The assist was on the second goal and his goals were the teams 3rd and 4th.

v/5XQwpErrJ0M

This is another great game Wagner had. Starting at 32 seconds, he receives the ball on the right-wing, beats his marker easily and puts the ball on a teammates head but he couldn't finish. At 2:26 he attempts a left-footed volley. At 2:54 he scores a goal. At 3:33 he receives a ball on the left-wing, looks up and puts it right on Elber's head who scores.
v/q1axPvNG97E
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The next player is Lenny who plays for Fluminense and is only 18. This kid is special. He is a striker that is already being compared to Romario because of his calmness in front of goal. Against Cruzeiro he scored two memorable goals in the Copa do Brasil. Arguably the brightest prospect IN Brasil at the moment along with Wagner.

v/_Dbo5vJwCW0

There is also Thiago of São Paulo who is a 20 year old foward that, personally, I have not seen a lot of. Maybe Bandeirantes can speak a little bit about him. And of course there are two prospects that everybody knows about, Kerlon of Cruzeiro and Anderson ex Gremio and current Porto player.

Here is a clip that shows 4 Clubes..Cruzeiro, Gremio, São Paulo and Fluminense and their 4 revelations Kerlon, Anderson, Thiago and Lenny.

v/j0FKBnvVlL0

dbzclips

04-07-2006, 07:28 PM

Nice.

Tiranis

04-07-2006, 08:21 PM

R9magia

04-07-2006, 08:32 PM

Thanks man... that's some cool stuff by Wagner right there. Just one question—was he linked to any clubs in Europe so far, or nothing? Not that he has to go there, but I think if he is to play for the NT then he should go to Europe...
He's been linked with some teams already in Portugal I think. With Luxemburgo (most likely) in as the new coach of the national team, I don't think it's necessary for players to go to Europe. In fact, in Brasil people are asking for a more 'national' team because they feel the players that are in Europe have nothing to play for and play with no heart. There was a 4 part special article written in Brasil about the state of the national team and things like this. I will translate it when I get the chance.

By the way everybody...More to come with the Young Prospects..stay tuned :D

dbzclips

04-07-2006, 11:34 PM

Can a MOD please sticky this?

adammac_19

04-07-2006, 11:39 PM

I dont really follow Brazilian football all too much but Nilmar is a player that I have been hearing that is a good player.

Tiranis

05-07-2006, 04:32 AM

I dont really follow Brazilian football all too much but Nilmar is a player that I have been hearing that is a good player.

True... but I asked R9 to highlight mainly the prospects who are playing in Brazil and are not very famous here in Europe.

Nilmar already signed for Lyon, though they can't play him, because of the limit on foreign players in the French league... :)

With Luxemburgo (most likely) in as the new coach of the national team, I don't think it's necessary for players to go to Europe.

That's good to know then. On that note (despite him not playing in Brazil) do you have any idea if there's a chance of Alex playing for the national team? I know he was out of favour since he's been playing at Fenerbahçe, but with his skills he surely must be a contender at least for a place as a substitute. :-\

R9magia

05-07-2006, 04:39 PM

That's good to know then. On that note (despite him not playing in Brazil) do you have any idea if there's a chance of Alex playing for the national team? I know he was out of favour since he's been playing at Fenerbahçe, but with his skills he surely must be a contender at least for a place as a substitute. :-\
I'm guessing there's a chance he'll be called up because Luxa was coaching Alex in 2003 when Alex played the best football I've ever seen in a Campeonato Brasileiro. Obviously the chances he will start are slim since he would be battling Kaká and Ronaldinho for the spot. People can say that Alex plays in Turkey therefore he shouldn't be compared to players who perform in the "big" leagues, but to me, he is still one of the best players in the world. He IS brazilian football and everything it stands for with his style of play. One of my favorite players ever. With Luxa, chances are he will come back to the seleção :D

Just in case someone hasn't seen this incredible compilation, here it is..This compilation tries to show that he is the complete #10:

v/tdhLT2QdJ6Q

Tiranis

05-07-2006, 08:02 PM

Obviously the chances he will start are slim since he would be battling Kaká and Ronaldinho for the spot.

Yeah, obviously, but it would be nice if he at least was on the bench and got to play once in a while so he could prove his worth. And maybe if he played really well he would get a permanent spot...

And anyway, he played in Brazilian league, right? And he played very well there so he's proven himself there too... btw I checked his stats for while he was at Parma: 5 matches - 2 goals - 7 assists!!! That's a crazy statistic... I'm not sure what matches he played, but they were some league matches, so that's very impressive, imo.

o0shorty0o

05-07-2006, 09:28 PM

How about Kerlon Moura Souza(18) who currently plays for Cruzeiro Esporte Clube. ;)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=02WMxdJ4dFk

R9magia

05-07-2006, 09:32 PM

^Mentioned him and put up a video in my first post but it doesn't hurt to mention him again :D

R9magia

05-07-2006, 09:39 PM

And anyway, he played in Brazilian league, right? And he played very well there so he's proven himself there too... btw I checked his stats for while he was at Parma: 5 matches - 2 goals - 7 assists!!! That's a crazy statistic... I'm not sure what matches he played, but they were some league matches, so that's very impressive, imo.

Hehe...his statistics are ridicolous :D If you think that's good, what do you tell me about this:

Fenerbahce: In 98 Games = 54 goals and 57 assists! :eek:

Cruzeiro: In 121 games = 64 goals and 61 assists! :eek:

R9magia

09-07-2006, 07:59 AM

Next...Jean Carlos Chera. Ok, maybe he's a bit young and there are no guarantees that he will be the next big star but his skills are mind boggling for a kid so young . He is 10 years old and is already wanted by the likes of Manchester United and Porto. Here is a quick story about him written by Mark Lowden who covers Brazilian football for FIFA.Com:

Jean Carlos Chera weighs in at 77 pounds – well under half the weight of his idol, Ronaldinho. He is also almost one foot and a half inferior in height, to the player whose posters adorn his bedroom walls - quite literally, he looks up to the Barcelona superstar. Yet there's one simple explanation to this - he's only 10 years old!

Anderson, as he is better known, is the Brazilian child prodigy whose phenomenal skills alerted the likes of FC Porto and Manchester United, causing a media circus in the process.

Video footage of this minute figure, twisting and turning his way past much older boys (fourteen, sometimes fifteen year-olds) whilst playing for Associação Desportiva Atlética, spread rapidly since Argentinian newspaper Clarin publicized its existence on the Brazilian club's website. Ensuing interest in Anderson was huge.

"Seven or eight European clubs have already contacted us to know more about Jean,"

said club president Adilson Batista Prado, shortly after the footage was released. "They want to know what he is all about, and I tell them he's a phenomenon, probably the best player to come out of Brazil."

Despite the interest from overseas, it is Santos – club where the immortal Pelé blossomed into a mega-star - that head the queue for the trafficable starlet.

Although Anderson is not permitted to sign a binding contract with the club, until he reaches the age of sixteen, he did agree to join Santos and was expected to renew his contract with the Peixe on a yearly basis. The club was set to relocate his family in the city of Santos - Brazil's largest port - and pay them an undisclosed fee for allowing Jean Carlos to train with their youth sides. However, the move was opposed by his existing team, and although negotiations are ongoing, Associação Desportiva Atlética insists that Anderson is still their player.

Prado - who conceded that clubs from England, France, Germany and Portugal have made contact with him regarding Anderson - continued, "He keeps on surprising. Everybody who sees him play is fascinated." The 10-year-old even has his own website, which declares him as "The next coming of Pelé."

Strong words indeed, but upon seeing Anderson in action it's evident why he is held is such altitudinous regard. His dribbling ability is exquisite. Not only does he possess an array of flicks and tricks which enable him to beat opponents, but he seems to have this rare ability, to effortlessly glide past defenders. It's no surprise that he is known by the complementary moniker of, "The Maradona of the Adap" (the initials of his club side).

Another attribute that Anderson boasts is the astounding power which he can generate from his left foot. He appears equally capable of scoring goals with thunderous shots from distance, as he does precision curling ones.

Never in the history of the sport has one so young, been surrounded by such king-size hype. Yet all who have seen Anderson's breathtaking ability concur; one day, Anderson will fulfil the enormous potential he has, and become one of world football's finest players.

This is the only vid of him I could find (don't ask me about the music)..pretty amazing:
v/8mGwedivlTA

flamer

09-07-2006, 06:17 PM

Thanks :D

Tiranis

10-07-2006, 07:31 AM

Yeah, I've heard about Jean Carlos Chera before. His skill is amazing and he's sooo young, unbelievalbe. Some people say that he is too young to be judged, but seriously the stuff he does at 8 years of age (some parts of the video are when he was 8, some are when he was 5) is at the same level that most footballers do at 15 or so, even those that are very talented. And it's not the tricks I'm talking about, it's the control of the ball, his first touch, his vision, etc.

I only hope that he will be healthy and won't be troubled by any injuries as is often the case with the best players who start to shine early... :(

Luchik

13-07-2006, 12:04 AM

Thanks R9magia. You speak about attacking players, but what about talented defending players and goalkeepers? There are very many "new Ronaldinho" in Brazil, who is new Roberto Carlos :) ?

slawinho

16-07-2006, 03:09 PM

R9magia

16-07-2006, 11:40 PM

New Roberto Carlos is 18 years old Marcelo from Fluminense.
New Cafu is 21 years old Rafinha who played for Schalke
I would agree with this but say that Brazil's best right-back is Daniel Alves. Cicinho is a great player, but not really a right-back IMO. D.Alves is.

As for CB's obviously our best (both young and old) are in Europe like Alex (psv), Luisão (Benfica) or the young Felipe (21) of Udinese. In Brazil I would say the best CB is Edu Dracena Cruzeiro's captain. He's 25 and will most likely go to Europe (some say Roma) sometime this season. Cruzeiro also have one of Brazil's best young prospects at the CB position, Luizinho. He's only 19 and his game ratings for the matches he's playing this season are among the best in the nation. And no I'm not just naming them because they play for my team =) Cruzeiro is known to be a factory of great players..Luisão and Cris, for example, both played for Cruzeiro before going to Europe.

R9magia

18-07-2006, 06:00 AM

Thanks R9magia. You speak about attacking players, but what about talented defending players and goalkeepers? There are very many "new Ronaldinho" in Brazil, who is new Roberto Carlos :) ?

Just remembered a few.

There is Felipe of Udinese who is only 21.

http://espndeportes-att.espn.go.com/2003/photos2005/0322/a_FelipeUdinesejuego_v.jpg
On his his profile (http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UCL/Players/Player=72511/index.html) for last seasons Uefa Champions League, it says the following about him:
"He can read the game like a veteran, he has a great left foot and can cover every role in defence. He can become the new [Roberto] Sensini," said former Udinese Calcio coach Luciano Spalletti of Brazilian defender Felipe after his superb 2004/05 breakthrough season.

Club
Udinese's scouts in Brazil noticed the then 16-year-old Felipe before he had even played senior football in his home country. After spending two years with Udinese's youth team, he made his Serie A debut in April 2003, an away game against AC Chievo Verona. He made three more substitute appearances that season, before playing 16 times in Serie A - including nine starts - in 2003/04.

2004/05: Spalletti started to deploy Felipe in a three-man defensive line alongside more experienced defenders like Sensini and Valerio Bertotto and he quickly established himself as one of the most promising centre-backs in Serie A. He appeared in 31 games as Udinese finished fourth and earned a UEFA Champions League campaign, playing in both legs of the 4-2 aggregate win against Sporting Clube de Portugal in the third qualifying round.

There is Luizão of Cruzeiro who is 19 and just started playing a lot this season. According to Placar magazine of Brasil who give player ratings after every game, he is one of the top CB's in the Brazilian league at the moment when he has been on the pitch.
http://www.cruzeiro.com.br/cruzeiro/noticias/img/7396_not_fot.jpg
There is Gladstone of Cruzeiro who is 21 and was the starter for Brasil's U-20 team. He was loaned to Juventus (says a lot about his potential) but has been back with Cruzeiro since the beginning of the current season.
http://www.cruzeiro.com.br/cruzeiro/profissional/jogadores/img/49_not_fot.jpg http://www.lancenet.com.br/fotos2006/cru0627.jpg

And there is also EdCarlos of São Paulo who was also on the U-20 national team but I don't know too much more about him.
http://www.tricolormania.com.br/imagens/noticias/marco167.jpg

Tiranis

18-07-2006, 08:57 AM

Cool stuff... :) BTW, do you think that maybe we should ask the mods to move this to Football Chat? Since not many people go all the way down the page and follow this part of forums, so maybe it would get more views in the Football Chat section. Just a thought, as I know I didn't go to "North and South American Football" before this thread was made. ;)

Luchik

18-07-2006, 11:32 AM

Thanks once again R9magia.

New Roberto Carlos is 18 years old Marcelo from Fluminense.

I heard that CSKA Moscow wants to buy Marcelo for $5 million.

Fenianbhoy

23-07-2006, 03:43 AM

Wow that kid Jean Carlos Chera is something else, looked too small in the clips from 2000 & 01 ,but from the 04 clips looked really strong like a minutaure Maradona, even from that video and what age he is i think the kid has run out of goal celebrations.

Don Toscano

23-07-2006, 11:47 AM

Who can be our next volante in the selecão?

Arouca (Flu) or Lucas (Grêmio)?

slawinho

23-07-2006, 01:53 PM

Who can be our next volante in the selecão?

Arouca (Flu) or Lucas (Grêmio)?

Maybe Marcelo Mattos (Corinthians) Denilson(Sao Paulo) or Diego Souza(Benfica)

R9magia

23-07-2006, 03:48 PM

Hmmm..Good question Toscano. It seems like we are a little low on great volantes (at least in comparison to other positions). I'm not a big fan of Marcelo Mattos but he's a good player. Denilson is also a player to look to in the future. Out of the 5 names you two suggested, the one I like the most by far is Arouca. I also think that we shouldn't discard players that are in Europe (but still very young) like Thiago Motta (still only 24) or Dudu Cearense. In Brasil, we should also keep an eye out for Rodrigo Souto (Figueirense) and Renan (ex São Paulo currently on Juventude) both are still very young (23 and 21) and look like they could have a bright future.

To be honest, the volante position is very tight right now. We do know that our best volantes will not be around in 2010 (Edmilson, G.Silva, Mineiro, etc) so this is the chance for somebody to show what they can do and win the position. Copa América will be a great opportunity for someone to shine but we'll have to see who Luxemburgo (basically has the job already) decides to call up.

EDIT: I guess we'll find out who Dunga will call up...what a stunner, never expected him :eek:

Don Toscano

01-08-2006, 03:25 PM

Agree with you. Quite stunned when I saw that Dunga was named the new manager, and Jorginho as assistant manager.

Here is the squad for the friendly against Norway. Nice that players like Marcelo, Wagner and Elano got a call-up, but what is Morais and Jonatas doing here?

What do you think, R9magia?

Veja a lista para o amistoso contra a Noruega:

Goleiros
Gomes (PSV Eindhoven)
Fábio (Cruzeiro)

Zagueiros
Juan (Bayer Leverkusen)
Lúcio (Bayern de Munique)
Luisão (Benfica)
Alex (PSV Eindhoven)

Laterais
Cicinho (Real Madrid)
Maicon (Internazionale)
Gilberto (Hertha Berlim)
Marcelo (Fluminense)

Meio-campistas
Gilberto Silva (Arsenal)
Edmílson (Barcelona)
Dudu Cearense (CSKA)
Elano (Shakahtar Donetsk)
Julio Baptista (Real Madrid)
Jônatas (Flamengo)
Morais (Vasco da Gama)

Atacantes
Daniel Carvalho (CSKA)
Robinho (Real Madrid)
Fred (Lyon)
Wagner(Cruzeiro)
Vagner Love (CSKA)

R9magia

08-08-2006, 07:05 PM

^Morais on the seleção is even more of a stunner to me than Dunga on it lol. That caught me completely off guard. Honestly I didn't expect Jônatas to be there either but you can't really argue with the great phase he is going through at the moment (although there are better volantes in Brasil IMO). Like you, I'm very happy to see the players you mentioned on the list, I'm disappointed, however, that Edu Dracena (the best brazilian defender in Brasil) didn't make the list. He has been consistently one of the best in Brasil and I was confident this would be his time. As for the other selections, I'm glad to see Dudu Cearense called up. As I mentioned in my previous post he is a player that shouldn't be forgotten just because he plays in Russia.

I'm very excited to watch these players on the pitch. We will get to see a lot of youngsters play and the fact is many of these players are the future of the seleção.

Luís Figo 7

13-08-2006, 01:03 AM

ANDERSON!:D
...
The kid is amazing, only 18. So happy Porto got him, so far in the pre-season he has been Porto's best player. Amazing talent, great pace and skill! He's labled as the new 'magico' since Deco is gone now.
Im ordering the Porto away shirt, with Anderson 10 on the back.;)

R9magia

13-08-2006, 04:57 AM

skb

13-08-2006, 11:05 AM

Some fantastic prospects, Brazil team will be very strong for years to come.

Luís Figo 7

22-08-2006, 02:18 AM

^ Yeah he is a very promising player. Haven't seen to many Porto games although I will try to see as much as I can. I did see the one against Manchester and he had a quiet game.

You should cap some Porto games for us Figo7 :D.
I have no idea how to. I got 2 Portuguese channels now on tv Sic and RTP so I'll be able to watch every Porto, Benfica and Sporting matches this year. :)

R9magia

22-08-2006, 06:49 AM

I have no idea how to. I got 2 Portuguese channels now on tv Sic and RTP so I'll be able to watch every Porto, Benfica and Sporting matches this year. :)
I just learned how to do it myself about a month ago and it's really easy. Read through THIS (http://www.fbtz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53579) thread and I'm sure you'll get the hang of it quickly. Would love to see at least the "big games" :D

drachen

01-09-2006, 06:54 AM

Can anyone here tell me about Dunguinha? According to AS, Madrid could get an option to sign him when he turns 16

R9magia

01-09-2006, 07:14 AM

Well obviously not many people have even seen him play yet but I do know that he's only 14 at the moment. They say that his characteristics are similar to Robinho's with a mix of a player called Dener who was compared to Pelé. Really not that much known about him other than the fact that he is yet another prospect who could be destined for greatness.

Was there anything specific you wanted to know drachen?

drachen

01-09-2006, 07:58 AM

His position, is he a striker or a MFer?

R9magia

01-09-2006, 09:45 AM

^ He's a Midfielder/Second Striker, a #10. Similar style to Robinho but much more of a playmaker.

This is a little video of him but the quality is horrible and it's small. I guess it's better than nothing http://gmc.globo.com/GMC/0,,2465-p-M531157-MC8,00.html

maestrod2g

02-09-2006, 11:56 PM

could someone tell me a something bout ramon osni i hear he's the next rivaldo

kuwaiti101

03-09-2006, 05:57 PM

Anybody seen Denilson, the new signing for Arsenal

I know he's only made 12 first team appearances, but also captained the U-17 Brasil team when they went to the final.

kuwaiti101

05-09-2006, 12:26 PM

'He's tough, technically good and has lots of stamina'

By Chris Harris

Julio Baptista was not the only Brazilian completing a move to Arsenal last week. While 'The Beast' was putting the finishing touches to his switch from Real Madrid, an 18-year-old with huge potential and a famous name joined him at Emirates Stadium.

The Denilson that most football fans know had a fine line in stepovers and starred for Real Betis as well as his country. The Denilson that Arsène Wenger has snapped up is Brazil's Under-19 captain and, like his namesake, hails from Sao Paulo.

Arsenal supporters who aren't students of the Brazilian game will know little of Arsenal's latest teenage talent so we asked Rodrigo Cuelo for an insight. According to the BBC Brazil reporter, Wenger has yet another gem on his hands.

"He only really emerged this year and has not been a regular for Sao Paulo, but technically he is very good," Cuelo told Arsenal.com. "He knows what to do with a ball, he is considered a leader and is quite a tough player with a lot of stamina.

"Like a lot of young players he needs to mature but he could develop while out on loan or in the Premiership, because it is a very different league to the one he is used to in Brazil.

"The Sao Paulo supporters are disappointed that he has gone because he is considered to be one of the best new players emerging from Sao Paulo.

"I would compare him to Elano, who scored twice against Argentina on Sunday. Like him, Denilson has started out as a central midfielder but looks like he will gradually play further forward and be more of a creative player.

"At the moment Denilson is a more defensive player, like Gilberto, and will maybe develop into more of a flair player. That is what people expect of Denilson and of course he has to prove he can do that."

Denilson would not be the first Brazilian to prosper at Arsenal. He and Baptista are following in the footsteps of Silvinho, Edu and Gilberto, all of whom coped with the English game and culture. Cuelo expects Denilson to adapt just as quickly.

"I think he will settle well because Arsenal offers a good structure," he said. "You see players like Silvinho, Gilberto and Edu, they felt at home there. They went there without speaking English but they felt at home enough to remain in the club for a long period.

"The structure, the manager and the fact that many players at Arsenal are foreigners makes it easier for a Brazilian to go there. The fact that Gilberto and now Julio Baptista are there will also help Denilson to settle into the English way of life.

"In truth, it should not be difficult for a person raised in Sao Paulo to adapt to London because they are both huge cities, busy places. If he was a guy from the countryside, used to a very peaceful, tropical life, it would be harder. As he is raised in Sao Paulo, I think he will adapt easier."

Either way, there will be plenty of people back home watching the Denilson story unfold. They are getting used to watching Brazilians make a splash at Arsenal, a trend which is making the Gunners a household name in that country.

"There will be a lot of interest in Denilson in Brazil because he is expected to become a big player," agrees Cuelo.

"The reputation of Arsenal is growing in Brazil. If you had asked me 10 years ago I would have said that not many people knew Arsenal, they would know Liverpool and Manchester United. But now Arsenal is a household name, you see kids with Arsenal shirts in the streets, they know that Gilberto, Silvinho and Edu played there. Arsenal are now very well known."

Source: Arsenal.com

cameron1981

18-10-2006, 12:11 AM

Nice thread, Jo is looking good at CSKA Moscow.
Injured for the recent CL game against Arsenal I think, hopefully he will be back for the next one.

hotknikkels

11-12-2006, 11:44 PM

I am a Man Utd fan, but I live in Brazil and I have followed Flamengo for years. The best Brazilian prospect for me is Fellype Gabriel. He is 21 years old (DOB: 06/12/85). Oswaldo, the coach for Cruzeiro actually picked him as one of three top emerging talents in Brazilian football, but he does not get that much recognition because his team are not doing as well as some of the other teams. Then again, we won the Brazilian cup thanks to him! Some of the other players mentioned here are exceptional talents too!

Also look out for Felipe Dourado, who will join Porto in Jan. He is only a kid (and I live with his cousins!!!), but he is one of the most amazing players I have ever seen and he is being tipped to be the best striker in the world!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJHmxuVUu5E

R9magia

19-12-2006, 03:49 PM

Don't even have to put him up here now since the world is slowing starting to find out about him, but why not.

Alexandre Pato. First game as a pro against Palmeiras at the age of 17 and what did he do? 1 goals and 2 assists.
v/8nLpRwcDhGE

Against Al Ahly in the semifinal, 1 goal and a beautiful technical gesture.
v/jJPKYXNIf5E

Also (from wikipedia):
After a contract settlement that boosted the player's salary from R$3.000 to R$25.000 and extended his stay on the team until 2009 with a contract fee of 18 million euros in case a foreign club wants to sign him, Alexandre was finally considered ready to start a game in the Brazilian soccer league.

He's just getting started, but he could turn out to be a very, very special player.

I am a Man Utd fan, but I live in Brazil and I have followed Flamengo for years. The best Brazilian prospect for me is Fellype Gabriel. He is 21 years old (DOB: 06/12/85). Oswaldo, the coach for Cruzeiro actually picked him as one of three top emerging talents in Brazilian football, but he does not get that much recognition because his team are not doing as well as some of the other teams. Then again, we won the Brazilian cup thanks to him! Some of
And he now plays for Cruzeiro ;)

hotknikkels

22-12-2006, 03:41 PM

.

Alexandre Pato.

Now he is a good player! Yeh, he was one of the other players that good ol´ Oswaldo mentioned! The other was Kerlon, if I remember correctly.

mambo

23-12-2006, 11:33 PM

Do you know more about Carlos Alberto (http://www.sambafoot.com/fr/joueurs/578_Carlos_Alberto.html) ?
Is he good or more the lazy one ? Because we have rumors in Bremen, that he maybe joins the team. I heared that he was supended because he had trouble with a coach, so is he a troublemaker ?

R9magia

23-12-2006, 11:39 PM

^ The talent is there but he does cause a lot of trouble with Corinthians. I don't think Bremen would be a good fit for him. He was offered to Flamengo to improve their team for the Libertadores next year and they could have bought him, but because of his problems nobody wanted him. I think that says it all. The talent is definitely there (just see what he did for Porto when they won the Champions League) but it's not a gamble worth taking on Bremens part IMO.

mambo

23-12-2006, 11:55 PM

What kind of problems do we talk about ?
Has he 20 managers or is he going mental when he is not playing,
or maybe is he going out for drinking 3 nights a week ?

edit: Maybe its resolvable ? We had many nuts players ...Ailton, Micoud the Diva and others, even Diego had problems in Porto. You know we´re looking for these kind of guys because we just get 10million TV-money and Barca gets 200million, so we have to buy cheap and the club makes them fitting into the team with hugs and friendship ;D.

hotknikkels

24-12-2006, 03:33 AM

He is very tempermental! That is his problem. He is a bit like a Gazza, all the talent and no discipline. Very good player, when he wants to be. But he can also get your team in trouble when he is not bothered. High risk player.

R9magia

17-01-2007, 05:15 AM

hotknikkels

21-01-2007, 01:38 PM

Basically all of Brasils greatest players have participated in this tournament which is used to discover talent in the youth teams. Amazing goals from the 1st Round of play:

Copa São Paulo de Juniores

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_835fsa7pc

True! But actually some of the better players are on International duty with the under-20's. Out of the bunch of players that I don't think have been mentioned, I guess that Lucas is worth a mention. He is in the mold of Gilberto Silva and he will become one of the best defensive mids around soon.

cartbran

21-01-2007, 01:55 PM

That Lenny goal is golazo for sure:eek:

I was not too impressed with Kerlon's highlights. He seems to prefer trying to humiliate opponents and play street ball rather than football.

hotknikkels

21-01-2007, 02:05 PM

That Lenny goal is golazo for sure:eek:

I was not too impressed with Kerlon's highlights. He seems to prefer trying to humiliate opponents and play street ball rather than football.

That is something he needs to stop doing. Similar to how C Ronaldo played in his first season at Man U. I think that Kerlon can become an amazing player, but is loves to show off just a bit too much and that frustrates the hell out of any team-mate or manager.

indomitable_lion

28-01-2007, 08:03 PM

roonie

29-01-2007, 05:51 PM

Atletico Madrid have snapped up promising Brazilian talent Diego da Silva Costa from Portuguese outfit Sporting Braga.

The 19-year-old is an attacking player who can perform in virtually any role across the front line.

Having come through the youth ranks at Barcelona de Sao Paulo in his homeland, he made the move to Portugal in 2005.

Braga opted to loan him out to Penafiel this season and the youngster has really caught the eye with a string of fine performances.

His form certainly took the interest of Atletico and the Spanish outfit have moved quickly to tie him to a deal that runs until 2010, although they have loaned him back to Braga for the remainder of the campaign in order to aid his development.

"He is a footballer with an enormous future," Atletico sporting director Jesus Garcia Pitarch stated.

"We have continued our club policy of signing young players who could in the near future be very important. Diego has excellent abilities."

However, one player on his way out of the club is midfielder Jose Zahinos (pictured) who has agreed to join Segunda side Albacete on loan for the rest of the season having failed to break into the first-team picture at the Vicente Calderon.

SkySports (http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=444755&CPID=23&clid=175&lid=&title=Atletico+invest+in+Brazilian+youth)

Anyone heard of this guy before? If so, is he any good? :o :confused:

R9magia

29-01-2007, 06:03 PM

R9, did you know Tinga was this good at Internacional? When I saw the Libertadores semis and finals I wasn't that impressed with him but he gave a man of the match performance agaisnt Bayern a few days ago. He might be the one to take over from Gilberto Silva in the holding role.
Tinga has always been a very good player, just overshadowed because of the position he plays. When he first started getting recognition the likes of Emerson (in his prime) Zé Roberto, Vampeta, Kleberson and others kept him from getting on the national team as much as he deserved. Felipão was the only one that gave him a "shot" and if i'm not mistaken he only called him up twice. I love Tinga and I'm glad he got called up. He was just as important to Inter as Sobis and Fernandão. Problem is he's 28 so his time has probably passed.

Indomitable, keep an eye out for Lucas of Gremio. Not sure if you got a chance to see the any of the South American U-20 but this kid is just amazing. Tackles, distributes, scores goals. Incredibly intellligent player. Only 19 and he got the Golden Ball for best player in the Brazilian league and captained Brasil to the SA U-20 championship already (was the best player in the tournament to many as well). Wouldn't be surprised if he locks down a midfield spot on the Seleção for the next 10-13 years like Dunga did.

Olegus

22-02-2007, 11:16 PM

to R9magia
hey man, i've got some questions for u:
1) what do u think of Ramon who plays for CSKA now?
2) please describe Celsinho, who is in Lokomotiv Russia, but he almost doesn't play. I see that he's a talented guy. How did he play in Brazil?
3) whay have u heard of brazilians that can join russian clubs this winter? (latest news)
thanks man

Mengão86

27-03-2007, 06:21 AM

Renato Augusto, Flamengo

mambo

07-04-2007, 05:34 PM

I know he is from Peru and not from Brazil, but is there a chance anyone knows something about Jair Baylon ?
http://www.libero.com.pe/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22969&Itemid=21
He is coming to my club but i dont know anything about him =(
Maybe you can help me out ?
Many thanks guys.

R9magia

14-05-2007, 11:50 AM

Renato Augusto

A player who's recent performances have had people saying he will where Brasil's legendary number 10 jersey one day, has gotten offers from many of Europe's top clubs including Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd.

If you haven't seen him play, the following video is the only one I could find. It doesn't show most of his great moves but you can tell what kind of player he is. In his dribbling and pace he is similar to Kaka in that he is a direct player that uses his technique and pace to get by opponents and not necessarily any fancy dribbling. He's 19.

v/pCuE-tsMicI

Zicao

14-05-2007, 07:21 PM

Another Flamengo prospect: Paulo Sergio!

He is going to be a beast!

17 years old and full of talent, recently brought up from the Junior team that won the Campeonato Carioca.

Has only played in 2 games so far, as a sub against Defensor (Libertadores), and started against Palmeiras (week 1 of the Brasilian Championship). They tried to bring him on at the end of the Botafogo game (Carioca State final) to kick a penalty in the shootout (the ref ended the game before the sub could take place), but it shows you that they were trying to bring on a 17 year old to kick a penalty in the final! It shows how much faith they have in him.

Look out for him everybody will be singing his praises very soon.

Oscarito87

15-05-2007, 08:33 PM

For the next years to come look out for these less famous players. thus not a Alexandre Pato or Renato Augusto.

Guilherme (Cruzeiro)
Rafinha (Cruzeiro)
Carlinhos (Santos)
Danilinho (Atlético-MG)
Sérgio Mello (Sao Paulo)
Breno (Sao Paulo)
Lula (Corinthians)
Raul (Atlético-PR)
Michel (Figueirense)
Forster (Internacional)

Not Brazilian but a very good youngster: Reimond Manco from Allianz Lima

Silas

15-05-2007, 09:23 PM

I expect Arsene Wenger posting here anytime soon.

dada

08-06-2007, 05:45 PM

Just wanted to revive some Alexandre Pato talk. I remember that kid giving Barca a handful. I hear Chelsea are now interested and boy would I be jealous if they got their hands on him. Just look at his height as well since is junior years with Brazil. Kid looks like a scary one.

v/JvgS7AM5e1M
v/yyU4GV_Q2eU

progott

08-06-2007, 05:54 PM

tbh he was crap against barca. he had is famous 15 minutes but he's nothing special so far...

dada

08-06-2007, 06:10 PM

I guess handful is a bit of a stretch but I vaguely (and I really mean vaguely) remember him dancing through their defenders on more than one occasion when they were in desperate need of a goal. Well, we will see, not so sure Chelsea is a good fit but who am I to say.

Child_In_Time

10-06-2007, 11:54 PM

A question for every Brazilian fan here.
I'm interested in any information you can give to me (via here or via pm) about right-back, Darcy Dolce Neto of Santos FC!

Thanks in advance.

jorquera

17-06-2007, 09:40 AM

Ederson Honorato Campos. Mostly known as just Ederson.
21 years old. Plays for Nice. He is attacking midfielder.
Considered to be the next Ronaldinho, linked with many big clubs this summer, including Juventus, Lazio, Lyon and Roma. His buy-out clause is 12 million Euros. Otherwise he would cost over 20 million, says Nice president.
Info1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ederson_Honorato_Campos) Info2 (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorato_Campos_Ederson)

Anyone know more about him or has seen him play?

v/HB1BFqobqGw

R9magia

29-06-2007, 12:36 AM

Maycon Santana

After watching a video of this 15 year old on the internet, and having thousands of e-mails sent to them about the youngster, Flamengo have decided to invite him for tryouts in Rio De Janeiro. Even if Flamengo don't approve of him, I'm sure some team will.

[Insane skills]
v/s0vgn-4Fgnk

mambo

09-07-2007, 10:32 PM

Do you guys know something about Nilmar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilmar) ?
It seems that he is linked with Werder Bremen and i only heared that he has knee problems :(
Is this boy any good, is his injury real serious ?

R9magia

10-07-2007, 12:22 AM

Nilmar was, and maybe still is, one of the most promising players in Brazilian football. His problem is that he's been injury prone. Nobody doubts his skills. For example he would without a doubt be on Brazil's A-team when he's fit. Speed, dribbling, etc. He is a very good and very fast player. With Corinthians when it was him and Tevez up front they were pretty unstoppable. You can even see from the WIKI page how many times he's been on the Brasileirão All-Star team.

Personally I think it would be an excellent buy for Werder Bremen, absolutely worth the risk even with his history of injury problems. IMO it's ok to take a gamble on players with this talent because if he gets injured you just live with it, if he shows his true potential he will be a true difference maker and you will probably sell him for double.

Don't expect 20+ goals per season though, I don't see him as that kind of player. To me he is just a player that can make the difference. And btw, he would be a much better buy then Carlos Alberto IMO.

mambo

10-07-2007, 09:27 AM

Wow that sounds like it would be a dream to have that player in your team :D

Many thanks mate, your informations are always very helpfull and priceless.
I cant wait to see what happens and what going to be with the court-decision about his transfer-rights.

Slvarrw

10-07-2007, 04:26 PM

when did nilmar transfer from lyon? i have seen play once for lyon and man that fellow is quick, he really has some ponnies to burn, iff weder get him im sure he will alot of opportunities to score with diego providing those killer through passes and this fellow to bare down on goal with full pace.

R9magia

11-07-2007, 01:03 AM

^ Lyon decided to take a gamble on Fred (which obviously worked out well) so they had to loan Nilmar to Corinthians to stay within the limits of non-EU players. Corinthians were filthy rich at the time and that combined with Lyon having tons of strikers helped Lyon make the decision to sell him to Corinthians for about $10 million in 2005.

mambo

22-11-2007, 08:20 PM

... High risk player.

Haha you guys warned me about Carlose Alberto :p

Today he and Sanogo were suspended from the Squad
because they had a little fist-fight.
http://mediadb.kicker.de/news/1000/1020/1100/3000/artikel/583745/sanogo_carlosalberto-1195755969.jpg

sweed

22-11-2007, 10:04 PM

lol. i think wiese wanted in on the fight as well :p

mambo

19-12-2007, 09:28 AM

How do you guys rate Breno ?
He is coming into the Bundesliga and Giovane Elber was like "wow biggest defender talent for years" but i know Giovane is always a little euphoric and also he is new to the scouting job, so im curious if you share his opinion.

And i really miss your expertises R9magia and hotnikkels :)

hotknikkels

28-12-2007, 02:05 AM

Haha you guys warned me about Carlose Alberto :p

Today he and Sanogo were suspended from the Squad
because they had a little fist-fight.
http://mediadb.kicker.de/news/1000/1020/1100/3000/artikel/583745/sanogo_carlosalberto-1195755969.jpg
I did say that Carlos is one crazy guy! The guy should be a boxer not a footballer! That is funny!

How do you guys rate Breno ?
He is coming into the Bundesliga and Giovane Elber was like "wow biggest defender talent for years" but i know Giovane is always a little euphoric and also he is new to the scouting job, so im curious if you share his opinion.

And i really miss your expertises R9magia and hotnikkels :)

I am back! Okay, Breno is a great and strong defender. Sol Campbell would be proud. He only played one season for Sao Paulo and was their best defender. They will miss him. I heard he signed for €12million or something similar right? Not sure if that price is a bit too much, but Elber was the scout who recommended him as the best defensive talent in the Brazilian Serie A and he is most likely to be correct.

mambo

16-01-2008, 11:49 AM

Thank you for your infos mate!

They send Alberto back now :X
He has a medical check in Sao Paulo this week and they get him on loan if everything is okay with his health. Even if they say that they might want to try it again in 6 month, i doubt that we will see him here again. They catched him in the middle of the night at the gas-station buying cigarettes and a sixpack of beer :p
All in all you can say his engagement for the job was pretty weak and this is something the Bosses dont like, they pay too much money for that.

khy

17-01-2008, 12:18 AM

v/h0_RkQQCKCg

The clip is from U-17 WC in Korea, (german audio) FIFA.com stated those 2 were among the best youth from Brazil - Fabio is the capt playing left back n scored 3 (No.6) Rafael right back (no. 2)

http://www.fifa.com/u17worldcup/news/newsid=579269.html#rafael+fabio+double+trouble

they'll be coming to Man Utd this month..great :D:D

mambo

07-03-2008, 04:10 PM

Hey i know Gustavo Nery is not young anymore, but once he was when he joined Werder Bremen. Unfortunately it wasnt a successful relationship and he went back to Brazil :(

Since then i have never heard of him again, so i would like to ask you guys from south-america what kind of career Nery had. Was it a successful career or a career with problems ? I dont remember him in playing for Brazil anymore, so i guess not everything worked like he may wanted it ?
Would be supernice if you boys could give me a little update on Nery
many thanks :)

R9magia

07-03-2008, 07:44 PM

^ I'd say his career has been somewhat disappointing. When he came back to Brasil in 2005 from Werder he started playing extremely well for Corinthians, so well in fact that he was considered the best left-back in the Brazilian league that year and helped Corinthians win the league. He had everything to be on the 2006 World Cup roster but all of a sudden in 2006 his game fell off and he hasn't recovered since. He was loaned to Zaragoza (i think it was a loan) and did nothing there for a short amount of time before going back to Corinthians. Now he just signed a contract with Fluminense to represent them in the Libertadores. I mean overall solid career, best left-back one season, had his stint in Europe, represented Brasil many times and even won a Copa America in 04, but overall I think he could have done a bit more.

PS - Breno will not disappoint = ) and look out for Ramires of Cruzeiro. Central midfielder who leads the Libertadores in scoring (1 goal per game :O) -
Hopefully somebody with cap the derby between Atletico and Cruzeiro on Sunday (90,000 fans expected).