Barthez to retire.

[deviant]

Good luck Barthez
Former France goalkeeper Fabien Barthez has announced he is to retire.

Barthez, 35, has been without a club since he left Olympique Marseille at the end of last season.

He won the World Cup with France in 1998 and the European championship in 2000 and was part of the French team that reached the 2006 World Cup final.

Barthez, who had a spell with Manchester United during his club career, made 87 international appearances for France.

As well as two spells with Marseille and his stint with United, Barthez also played for Toulouse and Monaco.

Barthez won the Champions League in 1993 with Marseille before moving to Monaco in 1995.

He spent three years at Manchester United after he joined them in the summer of 2000, before returning to Marseille midway through the 2003/04 season.

[Silas]

Some horrendous memories associated with him :D, but hey, giving credit where it's due....Thank you and have a great life. Buhbye :D






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[cartbran]

Well it is about time really. He had his ups and downs, but he should have been out of the game when Seeman left years ago. Feel bad for Coupet, having to wait so long for his shot w/ Les Bleus, but I guess that is more Domench's fault.

[cavenaghi]

Barthez is just the best keeper in the history of french football.
Who cares about Coupet? It would have been a mistake from Domenech only if Fabien had made an error during the World Cup. Did he make one? No. Would France had been world champion with Coupet? No, he's not better than Barthez (or Buffon :cool: ) on penalty kicks. You can criticize Barthez on certain periods of his club carreer but not with les Bleus. So if he was always great with France, why put Coupet? Once more, it wouldn't have change the slightest thing to the result of the last competition.
Plus it was a great way to thank the guy who allowed France to win its first European Cup, its first World Cup and its second Euro. Each time, he was one of the best or even the best player of the team.
Eternal gratefulness from all the french fans who have a little bit of memory :cool:
Compared to Barthez, Coupet "the Robot" is nothing.

[zaffo]

PARIS (AP) — Goalkeeper Fabien Barthez announced his retirement from soccer Thursday, three months after helping France reach its second World Cup final.

"I am starting a new life," Barthez said. "I will continue to enjoy myself ... but without soccer."

Barthez, who helped France win the 1998 World Cup and 2000 European Championship, is not attached to a club and has not played since July 9, when the French lost a shootout to Italy in the World Cup final.

Regarded as a superb shot-stopper but prone to eccentric moments, Barthez made 87 international appearances for France — including a national-record 17 over three World Cups.

France coach Raymond Domenech chose Barthez as his starting goalkeeper at this year's tournament in Germany ahead of Gregory Coupet, and he played in all seven of France's games.

The former Manchester United goalkeeper quit Marseille prior to the World Cup and hoped his close friendship with Toulouse coach Elie Baup would facilitate a move back to his hometown club, but the French team did not want to risk losing promising goalkeeper Nicolas Douchez.

Barthez said he is considering an offer to be a television commentator at next year's rugby union World Cup.

"Why not? That would be interesting," Barthez said on French television. "I grew up surrounded by rugby."

Barthez made his international debut in a 1-0 loss to Australia in 1994. He missed France's final four World Cup qualifiers ahead of the 2006 tournament, but still got the starting job ahead of Coupet.

Barthez quit Man United in January 2004 after 139 appearances in the English Premier League and rejoined Marseille. He played 180 league games for Marseille and in 1993 helped it become the only French team to win the European Cup.

Not everything was easy for Barthez, however. He never settled in at Man United and made several blunders that eventually pushed him back to France.

In May 2005, Barthez received a six-month ban for spitting on Moroccan referee Abdellah el-Achiri during a friendly between Marseille and Wydad Casablanca three months earlier.

"What happened is how things happen every day in the street," Barthez said. "When you receive an insult, you crack. There was an insult. What's done is done."
source (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/europe/2006-10-05-barthez-retires_x.htm)

Surprised to be honest, still think he could play and benefit a team. He had a soild WC to show he still had it. Great on his day, though could always rely on some sort of a brainmelt to get a laugh from.

[bluebottledc]

Very surprised. Always a fun character to watch. Some days he was truly brilliant and others...:eek:

I'm betting he's not finished ;)

And as for the reason he would become a commentator for the Rugby World Cup... I mean come on!...It would be like a country using a baseball commentator for World Cup 2006 ..which simply could never happen!:o

[dipsdude]

au revoir

[aabbabb]

It would be like a country using a baseball commentator for World Cup 2006 ..which simply could never happen!:o
you think?;)

[Sataris]

Someone call him a taxi?

[bluebottledc]

Sataris point of cultural clarification, please.

Is your remark "Someone call him a taxi?" the equivalent of the American phrase "Dont let the door hit you on the back of ass on your way out"?

ie Goodbye...we wont miss you.

And if so ...why do you say that?

[Sataris]

As you said

he was brilliant some days and shocking the next

I for one am glad he's retired, I prefer players to retire sooner rather than later

because

i prefer to say "We remember how good you were"

instead of

"look at you now"

as for the taxi thing,

well just youtube Barthez and taxi and you'll see what i mean ;)

[bluebottledc]

Thanks Sataris for your reply.

BTW How about England hire Bartez as a goalkeeping consultant for its "Achtung England-This is the Ball" PK Initiative?

Saving PKs was one area where Bartez truly excelled!

[Rev]

Thanks Sataris for your reply.

BTW How about England hire Bartez as a goalkeeping consultant for its "Achtung England-This is the Ball" PK Initiative?

Saving PKs was one area where Bartez truly excelled!

It was weird how he didn't even save a single one during the WC final. I still remember Euro04 how he saved Becks' PK :mad:

[Silas]

It was weird how he didn't even save a single one during the WC final. I still remember Euro04 how he saved Becks' PK :mad:
Albertini before that in WC98.

[cavenaghi]

Saving PKs was one area where Bartez truly excelled!
It was weird how he didn't even save a single one during the WC final. I still remember Euro04 how he saved Becks' PK :mad:
1) Remember how many PKs Buffon did save during the same match...
2) Barthez has never been a PK specialist. He saved some but not more than most of the keepers. Dida, Buffon, Landreau, Ricardo and many others are far better than him in this domain.

Albertini before that in WC94.
WC98 ;)
Don't make him older than he is :rolleyes:

[DannyLB]

:( I like Barthez. Good memories with him. :D

[Yusuf]

One of my favorite GK of all time and i dont give a flying fuck about his eccentricity. He is a legend and a hall of famer.

Look at this save, one of the best saves of the EPL.

v/8P4UZ4LkwtA

[bluebottledc]

Very surprised. Always a fun character to watch. Some days he was truly brilliant and others...:eek:

I'm betting he's not finished ;)

He's back! Doubtless taxi drivers all over Nantes are celebrating.

[usagi]

[QUOTE=cavenaghi]Barthez is just the best keeper in the history of french football.
Even my girlfriend who doesn't understand much about football can see that he is not.

Who cares about Coupet?

Me and the majority of France

It would have been a mistake from Domenech only if Fabien had made an error during the World Cup. Did he make one? No.

Yes he did He played volleyball instead of football

Would France had been world champion with Coupet? No, he's not better than Barthez (or Buffon :cool: ) on penalty kicks.

Yes he is better. Coupet is just a good keeper, stable like Oliver kahn or Petr Cech. Barthez is sometimes at the right place on the right time, like Dida. that's it.

Coupet knows his job and he might have saved a penalty which would have given us the title. It might not change a thing to you but to French people it does change something

But the point is not here. The point is that you deliberately call Coupet a robot my dear cavenaghi without obviously understanding a single thing about goalkeeping. You might feel good believing in your own delirium tremens but don't write about it as if it was a universal fact.

[Greg]

Even my girlfriend who doesn't understand much about football can see that he is not.

Who cares about Coupet?

Me and the majority of France

It would have been a mistake from Domenech only if Fabien had made an error during the World Cup. Did he make one? No.

Yes he did He played volleyball instead of football

Would France had been world champion with Coupet? No, he's not better than Barthez (or Buffon :cool: ) on penalty kicks.

Yes he is better. Coupet is just a good keeper, stable like Oliver kahn or Petr Cech. Barthez is sometimes at the right place on the right time, like Dida. that's it.

Coupet knows his job and he might have saved a penalty which would have given us the title. It might not change a thing to you but to French people it does change something

But the point is not here. The point is that you deliberately call Coupet a robot my dear cavenaghi without obviously understanding a single thing about goalkeeping. You might feel good believing in your own delirium tremens but don't write about it as if it was a universal fact.



No, coupet is not really better in PK than barthez!!!!! I' am goalkeeper and I know that PK is 90% of luck and 10% of talent!!! Moreover, French does not want absolutely to barthez not to have save a PK as you implies it!

Barthez is back and his perfomance with Nantes are very good! Maybe a come back with "les bleus"

[Degasiado]

He won't be missed !

In a word/name association game if someone says clumsy, I would say: BARTHEZ :eek:

[cavenaghi]

Shit! I missed this one :D
Barthez is just the best keeper in the history of french football.[/I]
Even my girlfriend who doesn't understand much about football can see that he is not.
At least you have something in common ;)
But hey you have the right to think he's not. But who is then? Carnus, Vignal, Darui, Dropsy, Baratelli, Bats, Lama... Tell us, Footix.

You just don't realize:
1) how important Barthez has always been during the big competitions
2) how important Barthez has been in the evolution of goalkeeping in general.
3) how this guy kept an excellent level of playing since his beginnings in professional football (C1 winner at 21!)
No french keepers can be compared to him. That's it!

It would have been a mistake from Domenech only if Fabien had made an error during the World Cup. Did he make one? No.
Yes he did He played volleyball instead of football
"Un peu court, jeune homme". Looks like you don't have much to say, Footix. Unfortunately for you, volleyball is now played but most of the keepers. The ball's evolution is often said to be the cause of that. But Coupet was already playing volleyball before this evolution, like the german keepers or Alonzo :D
At that time, Barthez was still catching them :p

Would France had been world champion with Coupet? No, he's not better than Barthez (or Buffon :cool: ) on penalty kicks.
Yes he is better. Coupet is just a good keeper, stable like Oliver kahn or Petr Cech. Barthez is sometimes at the right place on the right time, like Dida. that's it.
Looks like you can't even read a whole sentence. Is Coupet better than Barthez on PKs? I don't think so. The last time I saw Coupet during a PKs session, it was against PSV... :cool:

Coupet knows his job and he might have saved a penalty which would have given us the title. It might not change a thing to you but to French people it does change something
Avec des si... Malheureusement, Footix, tu ne peux rien reprocher au Fab sur cette compèt, donc gardes tes supputations sur les pénos pour toi. Un mec comme Buffon censé être un spécialiste n'en effleure pas une seule et ton robot lui évidemment aurait fait des miracles... Super!
Mais si je te suis, pourquoi mettre ton poulain puisqu'on a un spécialiste en la personne de Landreau? Là je comprends le raisonnement.

But the point is not here. The point is that you deliberately call Coupet a robot my dear cavenaghi without obviously understanding a single thing about goalkeeping. You might feel good believing in your own delirium tremens but don't write about it as if it was a universal fact.
Sorry, I should finish every sentence with "in my humble opinion". Don't worry, I will when I will write such things as "Yes he is better", "Barthez is sometimes at the right place on the right time, like Dida. that's it" :cool:

I never say that Coupet was a bad keeper. He's really good. But for a big competition, he's not better than Barthez. And since you know Barthez will be at the level required for the event, you don't need someone else. And the WC demonstrated that another keeper wouldn't have been any better.
Now why do I call Coupet the Robot? It doesn't concern his playing, it's more about how he looks and the attitude. He had for so many years the G.I. haircut, plus while he was working at the Gym, Barthez was lifting tropheys :cool: (don't forget that he's bearly younger than Barthez)
Allez, sans rancune, Footix. J'ai bien compris que tu trouvais le French Thread un peu endormi et tu voulais mettre un peu d'ambiance. Merci pour les perches, t'as été génial! ;)

[Greg]

mdr cavenaghi!!!! j'avoue la, tu la remis a sa place!!!!

hey usagi (or TV's footix), don't forbiden that: football is not only a tv sport!!! to understand it, you must be play it!!!!

[cavenaghi]

Heu... Greg, y'aurait pas comme une contradiction entre ton nom et ton avatar? :confused: :D

[usagi]

mdr cavenaghi!!!! j'avoue la, tu la remis a sa place!!!!

hey usagi (or TV's footix), don't forbiden that: football is not only a tv sport!!! to understand it, you must be play it!!!!

Merci Greg
Je joue gardien pour une reserve des FC Ryukyu au Japon et je jouais pour une equipe en Gironde qui s'appellait St Seurin sur L'isle, club qui a maintenant fusionne avec Libourne Et arrete de mettre la marseillaise dans tes commentaires ca fait beauf
Cavaneghi,
I never said Coupet was better than Barthez on penalties, I just said at least Coupet would have tried to save one even though he might not have succeed
Barthez used to be brilliant but he is not anymore since the beginning of the millenium and everyone can understand that (his coqueteries costed him his place at Man Utd) I would prefer see Landreau in goals than him sure
Everyone who plays keeper can see he is not reliable
you can make genius saves half part of the time but if on the other half part you act in an insane manner that cost a goal to your team well you can't be called a good keeper A robot would be more appropriate for the job in that case
Penalties are of course luck but there is only a presence that has to be showed by the keeper (cf Grobbelaar or Dudek) Lack of confidence is always felt by the shooter and vice versa and Barthez does not any confidence in his moves anymore
Sorry if my comment was a bit harsh

[cavenaghi]

Penalties are of course luck but there is only a presence that has to be showed by the keeper (cf Grobbelaar or Dudek) Lack of confidence is always felt by the shooter and vice versa
Yeah, but that's one style. You also have keepers who are great PKs specialists but don't need to be demonstrative on the line. Remember Goycoechea in 1990. He was very calm and not very impressive. Kahn is impressive, is he known for his abilty during PKs? No.
I think the PKs is more the problem of the shooter than everything else. Just look at the Euro 1996, during the semi-final England-Germany. They all kicked the ball in the "lucarnes" and scored, the only one who shooted a low ball (Southgate) was caught by Kopke. Trez knew about that, unfortunately, it was 2 inches too high... :(
But if Trez missed this one was it because of Buffon or just the result of Domenech's poor management who led one of the best french strikers ever to lose his confidence?
Anyway, the finale is lost and I think it's too easy too say that Coupet would have done a better job during the PKs. Nothing in the past can let us believe he would. Cause if you make speculations I can also make one: if you remember Ronaldo's shot at the end of Brasil-France (QF), it looks a lot like Cocu's shot during OL-PSV (QF Champions 2 years ago). Not sure Greg would have saved this one like Fab did :rolleyes: So maybe, with Coupet we wouldn't have even reached the finale... :D Maybe we would have won with Cissé as a striker? Who knows? :confused:
Now, what is sure is that France reached the finale with Barthez. And the only reason why they lost is because Govou got a second yellow card in the semi :D

But you forgot one thing: who is, "in your humble opinion", the best french keeper ever? And since Barthez is "clearly not" the best one, where would you put him in your ranking?

[usagi]

But you forgot one thing: who is, "in your humble opinion", the best french keeper ever? And since Barthez is "clearly not" the best one, where would you put him in your ranking?[/QUOTE]

I would be tempted to say Rame:D
Barthez stays in the best ten even if I still hate his eccentricity
Jeannot and Landreau are better than him and even rising Pele that is really promising for French football

[cavenaghi]

I would be tempted to say Rame:D
Barthez stays in the best ten even if I still hate his eccentricity
Jeannot and Landreau are better than him and even rising Pele that is really promising for French football
Ca sent le bordelais à plein nez! Dire qu'un joueur que j'adore joue pour ce club de merde. Ca me rend malade! :( ;)
My question was: who's the best french keeper ever? Not at the moment :p

[usagi]

My question was: who's the best french keeper ever? Not at the moment :p[/QUOTE]

ask me that question before 2001 I would have said Barthez. after his performances in the last six years I would now think of Bats for his performance in the 1984 European cup and in 1986 (but I guess now he is coaching your demon you must despise him)
You can't say someone is the best player ever anyway (except for sa majeste ZIdane) it is only subjective


QUOTE=cavenaghi]Ca sent le bordelais à plein nez! Dire qu'un joueur que j'adore joue pour ce club de merde. Ca me rend malade! :( ;)


now I answered your question answer mine:
Whysaying BOrdeaux is a shitty club? Is that just to piss me off (this you managed very well;) or because of our poor performance in the European cups this year (in that case know that I'm the first one to realize that we played crap)
If not then why? I'd like to know why you debirately call it a club de merde when brilliant players and managers have been succeedly made this club one of the major ones in France
If your Cavenaghi selected to play there it may be because he has taste:rolleyes:
When you are insulting other people's club at least say it in English so everyone can understand what you're spitting at

[cavenaghi]

ask me that question before 2001 I would have said Barthez. after his performances in the last six years I would now think of Bats for his performance in the 1984 European cup and in 1986 (but I guess now he is coaching your demon you must despise him)
You can't say someone is the best player ever anyway (except for sa majeste ZIdane) it is only subjective
Cool! Another debate! Is Zidane the best french player ever? :rolleyes:

Don't worry I don't hate the Robot nor the Great Joël. Problem with Bats is that compared to Barthez he hasn't been able to maintain a high level of playing as long as Barthez has. Plus, Fabounet brought a new model of goalkeeping (due to the new rules which appeared after Bats): the keeper-libero.
Bats was solid and spectacular but his legacy is quite short. When you see a Casillas, you know that his model was Barthez. Barthez is one of the most influencial keeper in the last 30 years, "in my humble opinion".
now I answered your question answer mine:
Whysaying BOrdeaux is a shitty club? Is that just to piss me off (this you managed very well;) or because of our poor performance in the European cups this year (in that case know that I'm the first one to realize that we played crap)
If not then why? I'd like to know why you debirately call it a club de merde when brilliant players and managers have been succeedly made this club one of the major ones in France
If your Cavenaghi selected to play there it may be because he has taste:rolleyes:
When you are insulting other people's club at least say it in English so everyone can understand what you're spitting at
Very simple: first, because French is a fantastic language and I love using it when I express my deepest feelings :D (faut dire aussi que si on conversait plus souvent tu te rendrais compte que ce genre de mots fait partie de mon vocabulaire ordinaire et parasite la plupart de mes interventions. Défaut que j'essaie de corriger :o )
Second, if I say your shitty club, it's because (and you know it already) Bordeaux was the big rival in the 80's and in the beginning of the 90's for us, Marseillais. It was so tense that, even today, I still consider them as such (more than PSG for example). Plus our victories against you are so rare, it adds to the frustration :o
Third, you are the most boring team in the whole league (2 years in a row! Congrats! :p )
Fourth, Cave is a tremendous player and I'm afraid that rather than giving a new start to his career, Bordeaux could represent an end for him if he doesn't leave quickly. Since there isn't much pressure and the club is boring as hell, he might fall asleep and miss the destiny that everyone expected for him. One year and a half is the maximum. If he stays longer, he's dead. He's made for the Liga or the SerieA, no need to lose his talent in such a shitty league (well, at least he will know what a defensive league is...).

"In my humble and shitty opinion" ;)

[usagi]

Cool! Another debate! Is Zidane the best french player ever? :rolleyes:
Well let's not start this one....:eek:

Very simple: first, because French is a fantastic language and I love using it when I express my deepest feelings :D (faut dire aussi que si on conversait plus souvent tu te rendrais compte que ce genre de mots fait partie de mon vocabulaire ordinaire et parasite la plupart de mes interventions. Défaut que j'essaie de corriger :o )

Desole je suis nouveau au club

Third, you are the most boring team in the whole league (2 years in a row! Congrats! :p )

Unfortunately you're damn right and as I told you I'm the first one to be pissed about it. dude I live in Japan and I must stay up until six in the morning to watch boring games live

Fourth, Cave is a tremendous player and I'm afraid that rather than giving a new start to his career, Bordeaux could represent an end for him if he doesn't leave quickly. Since there isn't much pressure and the club is boring as hell, he might fall asleep and miss the destiny that everyone expected for him. One year and a half is the maximum. If he stays longer, he's dead. He's made for the Liga or the SerieA, no need to lose his talent in such a shitty league (well, at least he will know what a defensive league is...).

He won't. He will be scouted by a major French team like Marseille or Psg (well maybe not anymore) and two years later he will be transferred to the Premiership as it's always the case with good players in the French league
That's why our league is so "shitty" we don't have the money to sustain it

[cavenaghi]

He won't. He will be scouted by a major French team like Marseille or Psg (well maybe not anymore) and two years later he will be transferred to the Premiership as it's always the case with good players in the French league
You have to consider how Tevez and Mascherano were treated when they came in the EPL. And even if their situation is a bit better today, argie players know that la Liga and la SerieA are the best leagues for them. The adaptation is much more easier than in the EPL. The football, the languages (spanish or italian), the weather... They're at home! And the money is good there too...
That's why our league is so "shitty" we don't have the money to sustain it
I agree, but it doesn't explain why they play so defensive. I mean, watch the dutch league: they don't have much money, but they play football! Maybe the "centres de formation" are great for producing defensive players and not creative players. You can't teach someone how to bring the sparkle in a game but it's easy to make the sparkle disappear in someone's mind. Maybe Ribéry wouldn't be Ribéry if he had followed the normal way...
But hey, if you look at it, when you play defensive you win (France, Greece, Italy)...
The "french flair" is now just a legend :(
Unfortunately you're damn right and as I told you I'm the first one to be pissed about it. dude I live in Japan and I must stay up until six in the morning to watch boring games live
You're a masochist! :eek: ;)
Why do you waste your time watching such horrible stuff when you are in Bootlegs' paradise? You can find so many unbelievable recordings. I think all my money would be spent in discs, dvds..., if I was living there (I'm a huge music fan :o ).
What is your job? (si c'est pas trop indiscret)

[usagi]

You're a masochist! :eek: ;)
Why do you waste your time watching such horrible stuff when you are in Bootlegs' paradise? You can find so many unbelievable recordings. I think all my money would be spent in discs, dvds..., if I was living there (I'm a huge music fan :o ).
What is your job? (si c'est pas trop indiscret)

I'm a translater-interpreter for a construction company that does contract with US Bases. Nothing really exciting (I actually hate it)
Fortunately, the games are only on Sat
Except for the European cups, just imagine, I've been waiting eight years to watch my team in the Champions League again since the time I made the trip to Parma to watch them lose horribly
A ridicule game against Galatassaray and a shameful one against Psv. We surely would have done better if the team was more competitive
But the thing that piss me the most is the Osasuna game in the UEFA cup
Anyway like said Rame you can't win without scoring goals
I expect a lot from Cavenaghi this year Well he had a brilliant assist in the last game!:D
Sure the league is defense orientated but teams like Le Mans or Nice are more attacking which make the games interesting to watch You can't say that the whole league is shitty for that
A player that would have that sparkle would instantly be rapted by neighbouring leagues with more money at stake anyway

[cavenaghi]

Except for the European cups, just imagine, I've been waiting eight years to watch my team in the Champions League again since the time I made the trip to Parma to watch them lose horribly
OMG! You were there! :eek: :D You were an embarrassment for all the french people! :D (nous on n'en a pris que 3 :p ). Anyway we know what kind of water they were drinking in those days... Plus, the first leg was gorgeous and Bordeaux should have scored more goals. Too bad.
Sure the league is defense orientated but teams like Le Mans or Nice are more attacking which make the games interesting to watch You can't say that the whole league is shitty for that
Yeah but they're not attacking teams. In any other league they would be considered as normal teams. It's because of the rest of the league that we try to consider them as attacking teams. Once again, the current philosophy isn't the right one.
And if you want a real attacking team, pick us! We play with 3 forwards and 2 offensive midfielders! We don't play well, but at least we try to create something. We're taking risks. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't (especially when the famous striker doesn't want to score...). Who's taking risks in this "shitty" league? :confused:

[usagi]

Who's taking risks in this "shitty" league? :confused:

And who's taking risks in the French national team too? Another debate

Hey, Cavenaghi BTW how can it be that your French is so good? Were you a student there?

[cavenaghi]

And who's taking risks in the French national team too? Another debate
According to you: Barthez! :D
Some people would say Henry. I personnaly don't think so (but I'm biased: I'm a Henry-hater ;) ). Except Ribéry (who's out of the game atm), the only guys able to take risks are not really in the team: Méxès is a real Libero, able to bring the sparkle from the back. Nasri reminds me Aimar, the kind of player that France usually doesn't produce (hope he will confirm his talent in the next seasons, he could become a fantastic player. Fingers crossed). Bodemer should have been tested already. Great vision, excellent shot, pretty good defender. I'm not a big fan of Giuly but I think he's a better winger than Govou, he tries more. Ben Arfa could be interesting... if someone gives him a brain :rolleyes: (he should ask Anelka, since it appears that he finally found one...)
Hey, Cavenaghi BTW how can it be that your French is so good? Were you a student there?
Well.... I'm french! :D
My mother is from Argentina and my father from Ireland, but I was born in Paris, so that makes me a french guy! Nice cocktail! :cool:

[Neillomac]

Barthez great sometimes crap most times bye bye Barthez. Coupet is a far better keeper!!

[cavenaghi]

Barthez great sometimes crap most times bye bye Barthez. Coupet is a far better keeper!!
Yeah! Great analysis!
You obviously don't know much about football. Otherwise, you would know that Marseille won the Champions in 1993 thanks to Barthez. He was extremely important during France's success in 1998. Was the best player of the French team during the Euro 2000. Did his job in 2002 and 2004, while many of the other players were pathetic. And I don't think you have much to say about his performance in 2006.
You're obviously judging his whole carreer (more than 15 years) on just some shitty performances with ManU (and I don't think his first season was that bad).

You're pathetic.

[manuforever]

too bad to hear this, he was good in my books.
and to retire without a club....bit of a slap in the face considering he was recognized as a 'great' keeper

[Neillomac]

Yeah! Great analysis!
You obviously don't know much about football. Otherwise, you would know that Marseille won the Champions in 1993 thanks to Barthez. He was extremely important during France's success in 1998. Was the best player of the French team during the Euro 2000. Did his job in 2002 and 2004, while many of the other players were pathetic. And I don't think you have much to say about his performance in 2006.
You're obviously judging his whole carreer (more than 15 years) on just some shitty performances with ManU (and I don't think his first season was that bad).

You're pathetic.

Damn you hurt my feelings so bad please stop the tears flowing down your face :eek:you remind me of Jamie Redknapp after he was crying when some loser tried to hit fat frank. Whats this 'Champions' you speak of?? and didnt Marseille get stripped of the European title because of match fixing allegations?? He did well in 1998 and 2000 and did NOTHING in 2002 and 2004 what job did he do?? plenty of crap performances there I think you`ll find.
He didnt have some shitty performances for Utd he had ALOT of shitty performances for Utd.

Dont throw your dummy out of the pram ;)

[cavenaghi]

Whats this 'Champions' you speak of?? and didnt Marseille get stripped of the European title because of match fixing allegations??
I already told you don't know anything about football. Go check on uefa.com
He did well in 1998 and 2000 and did NOTHING in 2002 and 2004 what job did he do?? plenty of crap performances there I think you`ll find.
You obviously don't remember much about these competitions. Watch the games and then talk. Will be hard for you to find anything you could describe as "crap performances".
Even when he's fantastic you say "He did well in 1998 and 2000". Pfff....
Once again you're only judging him on his Manchester years. Try to be more objective next time.

too bad to hear this, he was good in my books.
and to retire without a club....bit of a slap in the face considering he was recognized as a 'great' keeper
Don't worry, he has a club. He's playing for Nantes and will face Marseille in the French Cup semifinals :)

[Neillomac]

I already told you don't know anything about football. Go check on uefa.com

Ah they where just stripped off the French league and relegated and barred from defending the cup thats all :rolleyes:


You obviously don't remember much about these competitions. Watch the games and then talk. Will be hard for you to find anything you could describe as "crap performances".
Even when he's fantastic you say "He did well in 1998 and 2000". Pfff....
Once again you're only judging him on his Manchester years. Try to be more objective next time.

Good for you if you think he was fantastic I didnt and I stand by that statement and the fact he played ahead of Coupet in the last World Cup proves what a clown Domenach is.

[cavenaghi]

Ah they where just stripped off the French league and relegated and barred from defending the cup thats all :rolleyes:
You're making progress :D Except that we weren't relegated for the match fixing. It was one year later and for financial reasons.
Anyway, the european games weren't fixed and therefore his performances during that competition can't be denigrated. And he was F-A-N-T-A-S-T-I-C ! :) Too bad you weren't able to watch it...
the fact he played ahead of Coupet in the last World Cup proves what a clown Domenach is.
Domenech is a clown, that's for sure! But it would have been much easier to criticize his decision regarding the goalkeepers if Barthez had made errors during the WC. And maybe if a certain #10 didn't decide to cure his headache in a strange way, Barthez would be now double world champion ;)

[Butterfly]

Saying that Barthez never was fantastic is ridiculous!
Barthez played ahead of Coupet during the WC because Barthez won everything and Coupet never won anything but the French Championship! Coupet is an old pussy and he should be known like that :D

About the releguation for deficit, here in France we have the DNCG which does not allow any deficit on the contrary of many european leagues where many clubs have hundreds of millions of deficit.

[usagi]

Hey Cavenaghi, Looks like you made another friend on the Barthez thing lol;)

And if a certain #10 didn't decide to cure his headache in a strange way, Barthez would be now double world champion ;)

Aie aie aie! You're making speculations! (as you advised me not to make;)
Another debate: Why everyone is blaming Zizou for the loss of the cup?
Has he not been sent off, would that mean that we would have been able to score a second goal in the last ten minutes? We will never know
ZIdane had a short temper sure, and he is been sent off many times for that but you can't forget everything he did for France and for Football in general in his career just for a well deserved headbutt on Materazzi (a headbutt he should have received long before in the calcio)
The problem to me in this WC is why Trezeguet didn't play the whole time instead of Sir Henry of Arsenal? That I will never understand

[usagi]

Barthez won everything and Coupet never won anything but the French Championship! Coupet is an old pussy and he should be known like that :D
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Et ca continue encore et encore
C'est que le debut d'accord d'accord

True! Winning the French Championship six times in a row is nothing for a GK
Especially, as said Cavenaghi, in a defensive league like the French one where defenders and keepers are really important

Rewatch the videos of the OL years from 2001 and you'll see if Coupet is a pussy

[Butterfly]

My bad I forgot that Coupet won two Confederation Cups lol
Pussy he is and pussy he will be :D

[Silas]

Some people never retire. He will be back. The question is....







http://www.watchmantimes.com/When%20will%20he%20return.jpg

[Yank]

Barthez would scare the shit out of me during the last World Cup at least once every match. He would make a little mistake here and there that thankfully, nobody capitalized on.

All I have to say about his retirement is that it is about time...

[cavenaghi]

Ok, let's make it clear one more time:
BARTHEZ IS NOT RETIRED!
HE'S PLAYING FOR NANTES!

Another debate: Why everyone is blaming Zizou for the loss of the cup?
...but you can't forget everything he did for France and for Football in general in his career
First, the fact that he's a fantastic player doesn't excuse his stupid attitude. You can't act like that in a WC finale (well, you can't in any game). Especially when you're the Captain.
Second, the debate should be: Is everyone blaming Zidane? No! People are very very very indulgent with him. More than his past, I think it's because he's too important for french society. He's the model that politicians want to show to the immigrants. Proud to be french, muslim but without being ostentatious about it, who made it even though he's from the suburbs... He's too perfect to be brought down. That's why so few people (in France) have condemned his gesture.
Third, if want to find one player who didn't help the team during this finale, it wouldn't be Barthez, Trezeguet or Domenech. It would be Zidane. So if you're about to make speculations, it makes more sense to make them about him than about the others.

Zizou is one of the most oustanding players I've ever seen. Do I forget that when I say he abandonned his team during this finale? :confused:
Plus, his last two seasons with Real were shitty as hell. Does he get the same treatment that Barthez he's receiving for his shitty years with Manchester? :confused: No, so if you don't judge Zidane's whole career on his last seasons, do the same with Barthez and his Manchester period.

[usagi]

Ok, let's make it clear one more time:
BARTHEZ IS NOT RETIRED!
HE'S PLAYING FOR NANTES!.
Excellent lol

if you don't judge Zidane's whole career on his last seasons, do the same with Barthez and his Manchester period.

Very good point.　You got me here:o