The League table

[Buff_K]

Just had a wee look at the league table, very interesting stuff. The leaders have won just 2 from 6 games, an amazingly tight table, hope it stays like that till the end of the season!

You don't see that anywhere else (think Lyon, Chelsea, Ajax).

[Walter Subject]

yep, bundesliga has gone crazy, 5 points difference between cl-places and relegation :eek: cant remember the last time the league was that close together after 6 games

but thats the only good thing about our fucked up start into the season, at the moment we are almost at the end of the table but we still have all chances if we manage to start a winning streak :)

[jr!]

most teams are starting slow, especially the teams that have been more successful of late & are stocked with international players.
Then there's HSV, my god, what has happened to them?

[ugh]

I think HSV has good players but they changed the whole team with many new players and they yet have to form a team.
FC Bayern as well.

Werder also had problems, only their last two matches (Barca and Mönchengladbach) showed some quality and a real team on the pitch.

it`s still too early to decide if any of the other teams have real chances of staying in CL range (top 3 finishers) during the season.

[sweed]

bayern have had their fair share of problems. going into this season i knew it would be a fight to the finish and its certainly shaping up to be one.

[ugh]

So far, this season stays really interesting. If Stuttgart win today, they can take the first place, who would have thought that.

[VOIN]

very offensively, that Werder lost.

[VOIN]

it would be desirable that б Shtutgart lost. Because then Werder will save the first place

[waterboy]

But Stuttgart didn't lose and we are in second place.

[Silas]

You don't see that anywhere else (think Lyon, Chelsea, Ajax).
You don't know what you're talking about, do you?

[iKnan]

much more competitive this season...thank god that the Bayern streak is over, time for a change.

I don't watch Bundesliga as much as I used to last year because compared to other countries it was a boring league last year.

[VOIN]

I think that Werder will gain the lead, the second will be Shtutgart, and third Shal'ke

[ugh]

Now Schalke has taken the lead and Bayern is collecting points as well while Werder seems on a low.
Very interesting season so far. Hopefully Werder and Stuttgart regain their strength soon.

http://www.bundesliga.de/en/liga/tabelle/

[jak914]

Wow Hamburg really need to get their asses moving. didnt realize they were down to a relegation spot :( Not good

[jr!]

wow.
How many lead changes have there been this season?

[ugh]

wow.
How many lead changes have there been this season?

edit :
it has been like this so far :

Bayer Leverkusen (1st matchday)
1. FC Nürnberg (2nd and 3rd matchday)
Hertha BSC (4th and 6th matchday)
Bayern München (5th matchday)
VfB Stuttgart (12th matchday)
FC Schalke 04 (13th and 14th matchday)
Werder Bremen (7th till 11th and 15th to 16th matchday)

[ugh]

So far so good. The first half of the season is finished, Werder on top being the "X-Mas Champions".

[jak914]

Hamburg :( I dont know what they can do to turn the season around

[sweed]

Hamburg :( I dont know what they can do to turn the season around

i dont know why i find hamburg's failures funny but to me it is. for competitions sake i hope they can get it together in the second half. they have quality no doubt but it seems that missing piece in the hamburg puzzle is the need for a goal scorer.

[mambo]

There was a quiet rumbling this year, like the sound of 2 big rocks moving slowly :p
Werder made it on spot 2 of the eternal league table and passed the HSV.


http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3971/ewig01jj7.png
http://www.fussballdaten.de/bundesliga/ewigetabelle/


i dont know why i find hamburg's failures funny but to me it is. for competitions sake i hope they can get it together in the second half. they have quality no doubt but it seems that missing piece in the hamburg puzzle is the need for a goal scorer.

In my eyes they should fire Beiersdorfer asap, the man who made the transfers.
Hey, maybe theyll buy Mo Zidan. Werder`s Co-coach W. Rolff said yesterday that they want to split with him and Andreasen.

[waterboy]

In my eyes they should fire Beiersdorfer asap, the man who made the transfers.
Hey, maybe theyll buy Mo Zidan. Werder`s Co-coach W. Rolff said yesterday that they want to split with him and Andreasen.
They want to let Zidan part? :( To bad, i liked him but he had big problems with injuries.

[ugh]

Doll and Beiersdorfer have now been confirmed to stay in their positions at HSV.

IMO, HSV will do just fine once their players can actually play instead of be injured or being banned for red cards.

Last matches they had like 9 regular players not being able to play and used people from their youth and amateur teams to fill up the roster...

[mambo]

How sick is this ?
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3583/sickae7.png

9 Teams bound into the fight against relegation ...hello ?

[waterboy]

Actually there are 10 :D
4 for the Championship and 3 Champions League places, and the remaining 4 for one Uefa Cup spot.

That's why I love Bundesliga.

[Tigraa]

Hello Friends,
Zidan made it and proved to all that Werden was wrong,
he is the player of the month ( Feb ) .
7 goals in 4 matches
taking mainz from the bottom up to the 10th place.
His depute with mainz was hat trick.
what a player.:eek:

[macro]

How sick is this ?
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3583/sickae7.png

9 Teams bound into the fight against relegation ...hello ?

nail biting, gonna be a ruff ride for my beloved eintracht.
realistic it's just galdbach, bielefeld, cottbus and bochum who has to fight it out.
the other teams are too strong to get relegated, imo.

[jr!]

don't discount how bad Dortmund are!
LOL!!

[sweed]

nail biting, gonna be a ruff ride for my beloved eintracht.
realistic it's just galdbach, bielefeld, cottbus and bochum who has to fight it out.
the other teams are too strong to get relegated, imo.

i hope eintracht pull it out too! i'm rootin for ya ;) exciting stuff at the top and bottom of the table :)

[mambo]

My guess goes on Bielefeld, Cottbus and Aachen.

[Sataris]

i hope eintracht pull it out too! i'm rootin for ya ;) exciting stuff at the top and bottom of the table :)

Me too!

cmon Eintracht!!

[antujebon]

i'm gunning for 96 to reach a european place next season....
that would be totally cool, wouldn't it ? :D

[mambo]

This is the sickest shit that ive seen so far in my whole life!
Only 10 points from place 7 to place 18,...and only 7 matchdays left.
That includes 12 teams to fight against relegation.
It was never exciting like that,
thank you God of football that my team is not in the cloud :D
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9974/27erxd5.png

[jr!]

if you guys got off your ass on Saturday & scored just 1 goal, you'd be on top!!
While I desperately hope BVB can stay up, there are too many clueless people involved in management to figure out a way to stay.

[macro]

it's a cruel thriller and it's great my team is in the middle of the action :)

here some data, it's always the 15. place at the last game day, starting with the 2005/2006 season, the last numbers are the points.

15. (15.) VfL Wolfsburg 34 7 13 14 33:55 -22 34
15. (15.) Borussia M'gladbach 34 8 12 14 35:51 -16 36
15. (15.) 1. FC K'lautern 34 11 6 17 39:62 -23 36
15. (15.) Bayer Leverkusen 34 11 7 16 47:56 -9 40
15. (15.) 1. FC Nürnberg 34 10 4 20 34:57 -23 34
15. (14.) VfB Stuttgart 34 9 11 14 42:49 -7 38
15. (15.) Hansa Rostock 34 8 14 12 44:60 -16 38
15. (16.) Eintracht Frankfurt 34 9 10 15 44:54 -10 37 :eek: :D

ppl start saying this will be the first season you need more than 40 points to stay alive.

[sweed]

haha dortmund might go down!

[emashdad]

In December I was despondent about HSV's chances, we've pretty much switched places w/Dortmund since then - not out of the woods yet though!!! Hopefully history will not be made this season! ;)

[jr!]

haha dortmund might go down!

ha ha!
Maybe not!

[sweed]

ha ha!
Maybe not!

lol lucky :p

[jr!]

next week is another week, & another opportunity to fall back into the drop zone!!

[Nelly]

That's some bloody dropzone the Bundesliga has.I'd say that Wolfsburg in 7th position is in the dropzone.Only 5 points above the relegation places with 6 games to go is a bit dodgy if you ask me.

[waterboy]

next week is another week, & another opportunity to fall back into the drop zone!!
I don't want to see Dortmund go down, because it's a big team of Bundesliga but next week i hope Werder gets all 3 points form Signal Iduna. BVB can take 3 points in the 33th day when they play also on Signal Iduna against Schalke. :p

[PappinAce]

The Bundesliga table is still fairly tight, with anyone able to pull out of relegation fairly quickly. Look at the gap between seventh and seventeenth: just five points. The top four are separated only by six points, with Leverkusen and Nurnberg in the middle, not far behind. This is why I love the league; any team can beat any team, and matches and seasons aren't decided by which club has more money.

[dittsche]

Hmm, even though it's all very close, I can't really say I like looking at the table... :(

[PappinAce]

I don't blame you. Is Oliver Neuville still playing at M'gladbach?

[dittsche]

He is, just coming back as he was injured. and he got a new 1-year-contract.

[PappinAce]

He seems like a loyal guy; one would think he would have moved to a bigger club by now. He is getting old, though.

His goal against Poland last year was one of the best moments of the WC.

[mambo]

Götz is gone, for having the lousiest team of the 2nd round.

[jr!]

I don't want to see Dortmund go down, because it's a big team of Bundesliga but next week i hope Werder gets all 3 points form Signal Iduna. BVB can take 3 points in the 33th day when they play also on Signal Iduna against Schalke. :p

I can live with that!
Scheiße CANNOT win!

[Sataris]

I can live with that!
Scheiße CANNOT win!

BELEIVE ME!

WERE TRYING!

LOL :D

[ugh]

Next years second division could be the greatest ever they say.
Just imagine Dortmund and Mönchengladbach going down and St. Pauli and Düsseldorf going up from third division.

Being located in Cologne, these are great prospects. So many derbys and such great teams with a history and great fans:)
I am aware that fans of Dortmund and Gladbach might not see it this way now, but it`s a matter of perspective.

Yet again, not all of this might come true. Also it would then be really hard to get promoted :/

[dittsche]

and imagine HSV goin down as well.
HSV, BVB, Gladbach, Köln, Düsseldorf, Kaiserslautern, Duisburg, Freiburg, 1860...

All these teams, that would be weird...

[jr!]

Next years second division could be the greatest ever they say.
Just imagine Dortmund and Mönchengladbach going down and St. Pauli and Düsseldorf going up from third division.

Being located in Cologne, these are great prospects. So many derbys and such great teams with a history and great fans:)
I am aware that fans of Dortmund and Gladbach might not see it this way now, but it`s a matter of perspective.

Yet again, not all of this might come true. Also it would then be really hard to get promoted :/

I bet we'd have the highest attendance in the 2nd Buli!

[ugh]

I bet we'd have the highest attendance in the 2nd Buli!

Well you have the biggest stadium and enough people in the city who are nuts about football.
Will be interesting to see if Cologne really looses this rank :)

We had 48.000 people in the last home match against the legendary club *coughs* "TuS Koblenz". Try to beat this :D

[dittsche]

:( :( :(

[sweed]

:( :( :(

es tut mir sehr leid.


can we have Janssen now? :D :D :p

[mambo]

My guess for Janssen is Arsenal, they lost a leftback so maybe there is more space for him. because Bayern already has Sagnol&Lahm on the Wings.

[sweed]

My guess for Janssen is Arsenal, they lost a leftback so maybe there is more space for him. because Bayern already has Sagnol&Lahm on the Wings.

no more clichy?

i wouldnt mind having depth in the form of Janssen

[ugh]

I guess that was it for Gladbach. See you in second division next year, will be a nice derby against Cologne.

It Will be interesting to see which players leave and wich players stay.

[Sataris]

My guess for Janssen is Arsenal, they lost a leftback so maybe there is more space for him. because Bayern already has Sagnol&Lahm on the Wings.

yah but sagnol is injured and salihadmizic is going to juve :(

[ugh]

with only four matchdays to go, still a lot of things are not decided in division 1 as well as in division 2.
Although I am quite sure to welcome Gladbach and Mainz in Cologne next year...

[macro]

oh man, i can't sleep anymore ;)

[WerderBremenYank]

Schalke will have a tough few games, away to Bochum and Dortmund, and at home against Nurnberg, I pray we can pick up the points and pip them for the title :)


That said, I kind of want to see Dortmund go down now, Because having all those legendary teams in the 2.bundesliga would be pretty cool....

[ugh]

the current standings :

[ugh]

Oh and btw : look at Regionalliga Nord (third division north) and who is in first position at the moment :)

[Sataris]

w00t

St Pauli! :D

[ugh]

current table of Bundesliga 1 & 2 and 3rd League North.
I really hope to see St. Pauli in Bundesliga 2 next season, would be nice to see them here against FC Kölle :)

[sweed]

2. Bundesliga could be hip and happening next year!

[macro]

the 2. league teams (so far)
Alemannia Aachen
Erzgebirge Aue
FC Augsburg
SC Freiburg
Greuther Fürth
TSG Hoffenheim
Carl Zeiss Jena
1. FC Kaiserslautern
TuS Koblenz
1. FC Köln
FSV Mainz 05
1. FC Magdeburg
Borussia Mönchengladbach
1860 München
Kickers Offenbach
SC Paderborn
FC St. Pauli
SV Wehen


two hessian teams :D hope Wehen pull something off.

[Sataris]

two hessian teams :D hope Wehen pull something off.

:) More Frankfurters the better :D

[mambo]

Schalke will have a tough few games, away to Bochum and Dortmund, and at home against Nurnberg, I pray we can pick up the points and pip them for the title :)


That said, I kind of want to see Dortmund go down now, Because having all those legendary teams in the 2.bundesliga would be pretty cool....

I think we have teh hardest to come, because if Golfsburg isnt winning against Aachen, then its winning against Werder or going down to 2nd League.
I dont see Dortmund as a hard challenge atm, who should score for them ? Wheelchair-Frei (hes ready for surgery) or Nelson "the blind man" Valdez ? Or little Smolarek against Krastajic or Bordon ? For Bielefeld the season is already over, theyre safe now and they have nothing to win maybe except of injuries.
Stuttgart plays Cottbus, they already played VERY VERY lousy against H96 last weekend because for them its the same as for Bielefeld or Bochum, which is Stuttgarts last opponent, they have nothing to or lose.
Even if Schalke struggles, Stuttgart will be there :(
My personal bet for the title: S04 - 60 %/ VFB - 35%/ Werder - 5%
Yes we playd the best football in Germany but the others had no international burden and thats probably one of the main reasons why it is like it is now, but we lost the very good chances with some extraordinary bad perfomances during the 2nd half of the season.

[Sataris]

Cmon Stuttgart!!

Cmon Werder!!

wank Harder!!!

[jr!]

we'll try & do our part to preserve "50 years of Scheiße futility" by at least drawing with the blue scum this weekend....

[Sataris]

what is dortmund's current wank intensity? ;)

[PappinAce]

So, what happens if the top two teams in the league have equal points and goal difference? I think I heard somewhere it's whoever has scored more goals. Does this apply to Germany? If it does, that rule is crap.

[jak914]

So, what happens if the top two teams in the league have equal points and goal difference? I think I heard somewhere it's whoever has scored more goals. Does this apply to Germany? If it does, that rule is crap.
or it could come down to how the two teams did against each other. but that is just my guess. im not sure

WOW that is awsome that St Pauli is in first place in Regional Nord. Was really hopping they were going to win promotion last season but they dipped in form at the end of the season but looks like this year they are going to pull off promotion :D surprised to see them up there because about halfway through the season i think they were mid table or something so i wasnt expection them to get up to B2 next season but this is some very surprising news and i know my one friend will be very happy about that happening.

[jr!]

well it looks like that won't matter!!!
YEAY!!!!!!!!!
This makes up for the shit season we've had...
Nothing is better than beating the blue scum.

[sweed]

well it looks like that won't matter!!!
YEAY!!!!!!!!!
This makes up for the shit season we've had...
Nothing is better than beating the blue scum.

and ruining their title chances!!!!

i'm so happy right now. results went the way they should have today!

[jr!]

yes, I forgot to add that!

[Sataris]

Stutttgggaaarrttt!!!!!!! :d

[ugh]

one more match to go in Bundesliga 1 & 2 and in third division everything still looks nice for St. Pauli :

[PappinAce]

Remember how bleak things were looking for Stuttgart a month or two ago? I recall the match against Nurnberg in that nasty snowstorm when they got pounded, then losing to Schalke on that garbage goal from Kristajlic. Schalke celebrated as if they had the hubcap in their hands. Well guess what, jackasses? It's not over in Deutschland until the final whistle, and I'm sure you realize that now.

[mambo]

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9239/34wd2.png

That was one of the most exciting seasons in history !

[sweed]

yeay for stuttgart!

[Sataris]

Stuttgart > Schalke ! :D

hopefully bayern will qualify for CL next year :o

[ugh]

congratulations to Stuttgart, they really deserve the title this season.

[PappinAce]

Stuttgart > Schalke ! :D

hopefully bayern will qualify for CL next year :o

We will get the freaking treble.

Congratulations on the great season, Stuttgart. Great to see Timo lifting the trophy. I wanted to see my man Kuranyi lift it, though. Schalke deserve one after 49 years with nothing.

[ugh]

well, there are clubs that didn`t win the title for more than 49 years ;)
Of course unfortunate for Schalke but they got direct qualification to the CL, which is not bad.
Hopefully Werder gets the qualification right :/

Farewell to the relegated teams, see you in Kölle next season :)

[redknight80]

do Bayern Muenchen and Bayer Leverkusen both have secured spots in the UEFA Cup or must they qualify to get a spot in the group stage of UEFA Cup? i know Werder Bremen have to qualify for the CL...i hope they make it to the group stage and hopefully the German teams can fair better in the next CL.

[PappinAce]

I don't believe there is any qualifying stage for the UEFA Cup; Bayern and Bayer are going straight into it, along with Aachen, I believe. Yes, we will see a club from the Bundesliga's second division competing in the UEFA Cup next year. That should be exciting.

[Supa]

Congratulations to Stuttgart, you shocked the world! :)

[guzmo]

First: Congrats to Stuttgart. These guys where just amazing in the run in. Bouncing back everytime they seemed to be on the ground... There was some real quality in the team and with almost every member of the squad staying and great players like Bastuerk coming in they might play some good part in the next season as well.

We will get the freaking treble.

Wishful thinking... With all this changes to their squad they should be happy to get anything at all. Building great squads is all about evolution not revolution. Bayern has failed in this in all areas...

I just rememeber Rummenige advise on Ballacks departure not to join Manchester United, as their time was truly over...

Greatings from the Prem champions and the most exciting team of this years Champions League, cunt (->Rummenige) ...

[sweed]

Wishful thinking... With all this changes to their squad they should be happy to get anything at all. Building great squads is all about evolution not revolution. Bayern has failed in this in all areas...

I just rememeber Rummenige advise on Ballacks departure not to join Manchester United, as their time was truly over...

Greatings from the Prem champions and the most exciting team of this years Champions League, cunt (->Rummenige) ...

do these united f*ckers ever stop?

[Sataris]

do these united f*ckers ever stop?

pay no attention to them, I know I don't :)

[sweed]

pay no attention to them, I know I don't :)

good point. man they win one trophy and think they are the shit!

[Sataris]

good point. man they win one trophy and think they are the shit!

They'll need more than one before they can compare themselves to us! :D

[PappinAce]

Yeah, nobody gives a damn what United jackasses have to say. Podolski > Rooney.

[guzmo]

They'll need more than one before they can compare themselves to us!

just a little reminder ;) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXgDnjiGt-4)

Podolski > Rooney.

I totally agree, the evidence is bulletproof.

Rooney:
Season_____League___Games__Goals
2006–07______1._______35_____14
2005–06______1._______36_____16

Podolski:
Season_____League___Games__Goals
2006/2007____1._______22_____4
2005/2006____1._______32_____12

Feel free to give me some VERY bad reputation, please ... ;)

So now I bid my farewell lads! Adios

[sweed]

just a little reminder ;) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXgDnjiGt-4)


yes all you united fans are alike, stupid and annoying. congratu-fucking-lations you won the 99 CL by luck. that gives you a grand total of 2 CL trophies in your history. you win the premiership and think you are all the shit. gtfo, i hope chlesea rape you guys next year!

[PappinAce]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to swede405963 again.

2001 is a little reminder for this jackass, a year United fans conveniently ignore.

[mambo]

Come on boys go wild on your ignore list, but please stop the flame war,
there is no sense in it ;)

[waterboy]

I don't believe there is any qualifying stage for the UEFA Cup; Bayern and Bayer are going straight into it, along with Aachen, I believe. Yes, we will see a club from the Bundesliga's second division competing in the UEFA Cup next year. That should be exciting.
Why Alemannia Aachen? They didn't get a UEFA Cup spot neither on the championship, nor in the DFB Cup. The team that will play in european cometitions next season:
CL: Stuttgart, Schalke and Werder in 3rd qualifying round
UEFA Cup: Bayern, Leverkusen and Nurnberg as finalist in DFB Pokal
Intertotto: Hamburg

We have solid teams competing and i hope for a good country coefficient.

[PappinAce]

Wow, I was thinking about laster year when Aachon won DFB. You're right, now it's Nurnberg.

[macro]

Wow, I was thinking about laster year when Aachon won DFB. You're right, now it's Nurnberg.

last year it was us against the leather trousers sausage club in the dfb final,
forgot who won though.

[Sataris]

Come on boys go wild on your ignore list, but please stop the flame war,
there is no sense in it ;)

but it does make us feel better :p :D

[PappinAce]

last year it was us against the leather trousers sausage club in the dfb final,
forgot who won though.

I could have sworn I saw Aachen 4-2 Bayern in one of the Cup finals recently. Was I dreaming?

Edit: Now I see that they eliminated us from the quarters last season, 4-2. That's what I was thinking of. Es tut mir leid.

[mambo]

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/app/sport/bundesliga/topoderflop/

[Sataris]

so we come 4th and there are 6 bayern players in flops of the season?

[mambo]

I guess its a reader-vote, so its probably not representative. That makes me wonder why i posted this in the first place :confused: Dunno, but doesnt matter anymore, i guess i was just bored :p However, i like the sports editiorial of the süddeutsche, best in Germany next to kicker for me.

[PappinAce]

Apparently (http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/6842042) we are targeting Robin van Persie. Sounds like a good player for us.

[mambo]

Foxsports is not a real source :p
And for 8 mil £ ? They are just joking with you ace.

[PappinAce]

I know it's overpaying, but compared to the Hargreaves transfer, that's chump change.

Foxsports has quite the problem with rumors, though. The instant they hear a player's name and a club in the same sentence, they write an article about a potential signing.

At least their information is fairly accurate, though; they don't claim Pizarro scores thirty goals a season on a consistent basis.

[sweed]

lol why is this in the league table thread?

[mambo]

I know it's overpaying, but compared to the Hargreaves transfer, that's chump change...

He has a 2011 contract and he is one of the biggest talents in the premier league. 8 million would be not even close to make it tasty for Arsenal.

[sweed]

you are right mambo, 8m is very cheap for a player of his caliber

[PappinAce]

Actually Mambo, you're right. The reason RVP seems like he hasn't done anything this year is because of his long term injury. He has scored some beautiful goals (against Charlton) and some big ones when they need one (Man U). He's no slouch at set pieces, either...we need someone who can take a good shot off a free kick. Sagnol can provide good services, but we don't often get direct goals, which are quite important. But now, I am rambling on about Bayern's shortcomings.

This is actually not the right topic to discuss this in, so let us move it elsewhere.

[waterboy]

so we come 4th and there are 6 bayern players in flops of the season?
Yeah, because the fans expected more from them and it's normal they were the big dissapointments of the season.