View Full Version : Borussia Dortmund's coach to leave at season's end
Bombshell just dropped in Dortmund:
sources (sorry all in German):
Official BVB web page: http://tinyurl.com/y7fdum
Bundesliga web page: http://tinyurl.com/y6yx88
Kicker sportmagazin: http://tinyurl.com/y48lg6
English version from official BVB web page: http://www.borussia-dortmund.com/?%9F%2Ah%97%84%EC%5Cl%EF%83%9E
In a nutshell, BVB & coach Bert van Marwijk have agreed to part ways at the end of this season (eff. June 30, 2007), despite van Marwijk's contract going another year (to the end of June 2008).
Rumour has it: his replacement will be Van Heesen, who is a former HSV player and now coach of Bielefeld.
Why?
Is all I can ask.
Why now?
The rest of the season is toast (why not just fire him & replace him on an interim basis until the end of the season?),
& why replace him with a nobody?
BVB is making a profit now & can likely afford a name coach.
jak914
02-12-2006, 08:39 PM
that is strange. would make sense to just sack him and get on with it. hmm will have to see....maybe bvb has something big up their sleves???
I know.
It makes no sense at all.
sweed
02-12-2006, 09:51 PM
that is quite strange...maybe a return by hitzfeld?
sweed
02-12-2006, 10:32 PM
I wish!!
he said he would consider coming back....
really?
I haven't heard that.
sweed
02-12-2006, 10:39 PM
i'll dig up the article for you
Edit: BOOYAKASHA (http://www.bundesliga.de/en/liga/news/2006/meldung.php?f=42280.php)
macro
03-12-2006, 01:01 AM
von Heesen would be great for them, a young coach that led a low budget team to the 6th place on the table.
at Sportschau they said he will most probably change to Dortmund in the winter break, he will leave Bielefeld anyway, so they will be happy to get some money out of it.
Chuck Naris
03-12-2006, 10:27 AM
that is quite strange...maybe a return by hitzfeld?
i think hitzfeld will never ever coach a team in future, van heesen or jürgen kohler, thats my opinion.
mambo
03-12-2006, 01:44 PM
Maybe Hitzfeld is going to be Germany`s national Coach one day :D
Isnt it strange to announce this week, that theyre going to split in 7 month ?!? What if he wins 20 games in a row ? I mean the HSV didnt win for 23 games now so it should be possible ;-]
However, strange move from Boss Watzke.
Jürgen Kohler is a name that's come up before, but I don't think the current management have the balls to do this after what happened with Sammer.
mambo
03-12-2006, 05:34 PM
Kohler came with a weak performance at his first trainer position.
I dont think that he`s an option for the BvB.
I'd like to see him join as a defence coach or something, but after what happened with Sammer, I don't think BVB management will hire another ex player, FUßBALL GOTT or not.
mambo
03-12-2006, 10:55 PM
What happened with Sammer ?
He was Champion with Dortmund.
He was a TERRIBLE coach. With the talent he had he should have won more Championships. He created friction in the dressing room between the players & tactically made some poor decisions (such as substituting Amoroso for Dede with two minutes left in stoppage time in a CL second group phase match in February 2003 against Real Madrid that we were leading 1-0, & Madrid subsequently scored & tied)
He sucked at VFB Stuttgart & then took a non coaching job, 'coz he prolly realized he sucks as a coach.
Don't get me wrong, still my favourite player of all time, just a shit coach, very authoritarian (that's the old East German way that he grew up with).
mambo
04-12-2006, 01:07 AM
I think his father was a coach in east germany, so he definately grew up with that :p
But i agree on Stuttgart! The team really sucked while he was coach.
But i dont see him as a bad coach in general, you know you have to do something right if you win the title after 34 matches.
I guess if he would be available as coach, every club in the Bundesliga wouldnt hesitate to give him the job (if they need one one course; )
The general concensus is that Dortmund won in 2002 in spite of him, there was too much talent on that team, but it also took a lot of luck, it could have gone either way on the last day of the season, thanks to Ewerthon for a beauty goal to win it.
mambo
04-12-2006, 09:58 AM
The general concensus is that Dortmund won in 2002 in spite of him,
Haha ive heared Martin Wagner saying the same thing about Otto Rehagel and the `98 title for K`lautern.
Thats pure blasphemy in my eyes ;)
More on this topic:
- Hitzfeld was made an offer, which he rejected (too bad)
- rumour has it if they can't get Van Heesen from Bielefeld, it could be either
a) an interim coach of some sort
b) Huub Stevens
Either way, BVM's fate will be decided tomorrow, he is more than likely done.
Would have been nice to see Hitzfeld back in Dortmund.
yeah, that'd be nice!
It's now official BVM is gone effective immediately, & no replacement named.
mambo
18-12-2006, 10:27 PM
Im still thinking van Marvijk is a 1st class coach and that they made a mistake :/
But you cannot deny that they played very bad sometimes this season,
im just thinking they fired Bert too fast.
He came with a new concept and he put all this young talents into the first formation,
they do make mistakes because they dont have much experience so you better give someone like that a little more room.
Boss Watzke made the impression that he`s horny for kicking van Marvijk ass.
I think if BVM were given a decent team, he'd be ok.
But look at what he's been given:
- Valdez; works his ass off, but hasn't scored
- Degen; alternating between ok & terrible
- Amoah; couldn't hit a barn door with a beachball & still hasn't scored & too small & too easily moved off the ball
- Ebi Smolarek; a good find considering he cost peanuts, but still too streaky & too small & easily moved off the ball
I'm beginning to sense the old problems on this team from the previous regime haven't really left. There seems to be nobody in charge at the top with a football sense. It's one thing to make sponsorship deals & reduce your debt, but it's another thing to buy a player like Werder got with Diego.
Sure Metze & Kehl have been missing, but would we be that much better with them?
There is no fighting spirit on this team & no leader on the field.
sweed
18-12-2006, 11:10 PM
i agree with you there jr. seems he didnt quite have all the pieces he needed and might have needed more time.
sweed
18-12-2006, 11:12 PM
sad Hitzfeld said no. i wanted to see him coach, even if it was for BVB.
Chuck Naris
19-12-2006, 09:27 AM
I think Jürgen Röber will be the new coach, Hitzfeld will never come back as a coach, i think
They hired Jürgen Röber : http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,455390,00.html
yep, here's the article in english:
http://www.borussia-dortmund.com/?%9F%2Ah%97%84%EC%5Cm%E1%82%9E
I see this guy played in Calgary in 1981!
Apparently his contract is only until the end of the season & the Thomas van Heesen will probably by the new coach next season.
AlexLFC
19-12-2006, 01:35 PM
Well, it's a shame what Borussia Dortmund did with BvM! First they assure him to go on until the end of the season, and now this - I can't see why he has been fired! Seemingly Watzke did not like the chefcoach! BvM is not a bad coach, he made the best from what he got - imo it's the team that is the problem! And now, look whom they hired - Jürgen Röber! I don't know what this is all about, well I don't think he'll do a better job!
Sad, sad, sad,
Nevertheless:
Heja, BVB!
I don't see why they ever announced that he was leaving at the end of the season in the first place.
The fans in the stadium & those in charge blame the team.
Those in charge should blame themselves.
Look at who they have on the team.
They have no offensive midfield to speak of, Steven Pienaar is a bust and are generating no movement through the midfield.
Ahmet_Nuri
22-12-2006, 01:46 AM
Tinga is also crap. And Nuri isnt doing so good anymore but id still like to see him in offensive midfield position for once instead of pienaar,
Tinga, as a replacment for Kehl, isn't that bad, he's a hard worker & has scored 2 so far I think this season.
Sahin at 17 is far better than Pienaar in the offensive midfield, but remember Pienaar was always a winger, not a playmaker. Same thing with Rosicky too, look how well he's fit into Arsenal's system (when healthy-no surprise there).
AlexLFC
12-03-2007, 02:04 PM
OK, this thread was somewhat out-of-date the last weeks, but it's still the right place for this new message concerning the former CL winner:
Borussia Dortmunds coach Jürgen Röber resigns! It's the second coach that has to leave the team this season, after BvM got fired some months ago!
source: (German)
http://www.bvb.de/?%9F%2Ak%97%84%ECSj%EF%82%9D
A successor has not been found yet, but there are some rumours about Felix Magath, ex. Bayern coach, and Thomas Doll, formerly HSV coach!
My God, what a disappointing season for the BVB!!!
mambo
12-03-2007, 03:07 PM
Sad thing they fired van Marwijk.
He couldnt have done it worse than Röber :confused:
cartbran
12-03-2007, 03:09 PM
I know.
It makes no sense at all.
Wasn't he threatening to quit earlier this year because of death threats against his family?
mambo
12-03-2007, 03:13 PM
Who ?
I know it happened to Jupp Heynckes, but he had lousy results so probably that wasnt the reason for him to give up.
The whole situation is a disaster. The problem here isn't necessarily the players, but the management.
The guy in charge of getting players (Zorc) is too stupid to do his job & the guy at the top (Watzke) is a meddling ego maniac.
Both Sammer & Magath were in the running to replace Röber, but they both told BVB to fuck off, just like Hitzfeld did a few months ago.
Now Thomas Doll is in the running, & we saw what he did with HSV this year.
Röber was only supposed to be temporary until Thomas von Heesen who just quit Bielefeld could take over next season, but now von Heesen won't or can't take the job right now.
Nobody wants to get involved with this team anymore due to management.
**EDIT: Apparently the job has been given to Doll. 2. BL here we come!**
waterboy
12-03-2007, 10:56 PM
I have tickets for the game against Nurnberg, on saturday, on my road to Bremen. Borussia is a big club to get to 2.BL and i'm sure you'll do just fine in the end ... and also win on saturday with 2 goals from Valdez (his first for Borussia in Bundesliga), cause he's a former Werder player and one i like.
AlexLFC
13-03-2007, 09:06 AM
The whole situation is a disaster. The problem here isn't necessarily the players, but the management.
The guy in charge of getting players (Zorc) is too stupid to do his job & the guy at the top (Watzke) is a meddling ego maniac.
Both Sammer & Magath were in the running to replace Röber, but they both told BVB to fuck off, just like Hitzfeld did a few months ago.
Now Thomas Doll is in the running, & we saw what he did with HSV this year.
Röber was only supposed to be temporary until Thomas von Heesen who just quit Bielefeld could take over next season, but now von Heesen won't or can't take the job right now.
Nobody wants to get involved with this team anymore due to management.
**EDIT: Apparently the job has been given to Doll. 2. BL here we come!**
I can hear your disappointment mate, but I actually do not agree with you on some points ;) Zorc is a great manger, he is in charge quite some years now and brought us good players - and nobody noticed. Now, when some players need more time to get used to the team and the environment (remember: most of them are very young!), people say Zorc is not capable of doing his job and buy good players. We have to be fair here and say that it was BvM for the most part who wanted to have the players that flopped this season, and Zorc only had to buy them for him. On the other hand, the BVB had a lot of bad luck this season (i.e. I recall loads of moments when Valdez hit the bar/post)! You can't buy luck, that's for sure. And last but not least, although I would have preferred Sammer, Doll is totally capable of doing his job, he is even more capable of dealing with a young team, and he is a great person by the way, some characteristics one needs in Dortmund right now. You noticed Hamburgs progress THIS season, but remember what Doll did with Hamburg LAST season!!! With Doll we'll stay in the Bundesliga, that I'm sure of! And if he stays (I hope he does), we'll be back into European business next year ;)
HEJA BVB; HEJA BVB; HEJA - HEJA; HEJA BVB!!!
Zorc goes after big name players & can't negotiate a contract to save his life.
As an example: they gave Weidenfeller an escape clause in his contract stating that he can leave after this season for a cheap transfer fee if BVB don't make the Champions League. They pushed Metzelder out the door, by playing hardball with him in the contract negotiations, by putting a crappy contract in front of him & then giving him a short deadline. We've needed a creative midfielder for years & still don't have one.Pienaar has been a bust, Valdez, although he works his ass off has also been a bust, the TVH affair has been drawn out in public & has now come off the rails.
There is some sort of cancer on this team & that goes back a few years. I used to blame Sammer but I think it goes higher than that.
According to Röber: Kehl, Wörns & Metzelder are lazy prima donnas, Wörns never should have gotten a contract extension, but the cancer probably comes from the top down from management.
Watzke may be great with the financial stuff & I applaud him for that, but he has no football knowledge.
mambo
13-03-2007, 12:10 PM
...According to Röber: Kehl, Wörns & Metzelder are lazy prima donnas...
Thats a joke, right ? Kehl was injured the whole season ?!
Metzelder probably earns double the money in Spain or Italy, so i dont see how this is Zorcs mistake.
That's what he said in an interview with the Ruhr Nachrichten on Monday, it could just be sour grapes, I can't find the whole article right now in German.
Metzelder apparently was willing to stay, he felt disrespected with the way the contract renegotiation was handled, why stay in Dortmund when you can play for a big name team in Spain though?
Rumour has it he's going to Real Madrid, I believe he was never going to stay the rift he had with Wörns last year saw to that I think.
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