Arabs want to kick Australia out of Asia [Archive]

iKnan

11-12-2006, 05:29 AM

welcome to the AFC, you guys are going to have to put up with their cheating, grassrolling, bribing the ref, bad sports, control, and last but not least bitching about everything so they can help their Arab brothers.

the above are all the things that other Asian athletes have to put up with. countries like Iran and other central and east Asians have to put up with. just like the current Qatar team who have players from all around the world on their teams winning them medals and buying their way through to get to glory.

http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=187258

:mad:

cartbran

11-12-2006, 06:02 AM

You should have posted the article, there are some gems in it, like how it will "kill the ambitions of Asian soccer" by increasing competition.
10/12/2006 2.11
Top West Asian Official Demands Australia's Exit From Asia

A high-ranking West Asian football official has called for Australia to be ejected from the Asian Football Confederation.

Australia joined the confederation on January 1 2006 but Sheik Talah al-Fahd Al Sabah, president of the West Asian Games committee believes that the move was a mistake.

"We are against Australia joining the Asian continent," he was quoted as saying by the Associated Press.

"This is the biggest mistake made against Asian soccer. This will kill the ambitions of Asian soccer."

The Socceroos were the only AFC member to progress past the first round at the 2006 World Cup and qualified with ease for the 2007 Asian Cup.

"What are we going to benefit from Australia's soccer team when it plays a game with Asia? Is it the experience?" the Kuwaiti asked.

"We might play with them once every four years, not more."

Revoking Australia’s membership would, according to Sheik Talah, be simple.

"It is natural to be able to change the decision. A general assembly can annul it the way it approved it.”

"There are general assemblies that can ask them to leave the way they brought them in. I hope this happens before the World Cup qualifications."

Matski

11-12-2006, 06:25 AM

Is it that are they worried about qualifing for the WC and still sooking about not making the asian cup finals even though Lebanon withdrew leaving the group with only 3 partisipants?

savvas

11-12-2006, 08:16 AM

Kan

11-12-2006, 12:26 PM

I respect how Ikan, who is an Arab himself, mentions this. It just strengthens the argument that the Sheik is just threatened. Let's hope he gets nowhere close to what he wants.

dolpiaza

11-12-2006, 02:40 PM

I respect how Ikan, who is an Arab himself, mentions this. It just strengthens the argument that the Sheik is just threatened. Let's hope he gets nowhere close to what he wants.

I am pretty sure Iknan is from Iran, which means he's most likely not an Arab!

Have you never watched Whoopi man!?!:D :p

cartbran

11-12-2006, 02:42 PM

I respect how Ikan, who is an Arab himself, mentions this. It just strengthens the argument that the Sheik is just threatened. Let's hope he gets nowhere close to what he wants.
Sorry to rock your bubble, but iKnan is Persian. If you would ever talk to a Persian, you will find out soon enought that they are not Arab. I think you are confusing them because they muslim, but they are not Arab and frankly don't really like the Arabs and the Arabs don't really like them. Just because someone is muslim, you shouldn't assume that they are Arab. There are a lot of Muslims in Asia.

Drolander

11-12-2006, 03:18 PM

The only reason I think he's doing this is because he's scared.He feels threatened that Australia is better than them in the AFC.What a loser and he lacks sportsmanship.This guy needs to face up to reality.If you want to beat a good team,you just have to be better than them.Why use such a method?And do they think they will get better and get level-playing field if Australia is ever to go out of the AFC?

iKnan

11-12-2006, 03:43 PM

correction on some posts here: persians/iranians are not Arabs.

Dirtycheat

11-12-2006, 05:14 PM

welcome to the AFC, you guys are going to have to put up with their cheating, grassrolling, bribing the ref, bad sports, control, and last but not least bitching about everything so they can help their Arab brothers.

what are you talking about? generalizing a bit aren't we?

take about Arabs with such a bad tone of voice, what is your problem exactly? the only Arab team in CWC is Egyptian and they don't want to kick Auckland out because they're Australian, but because they want to prove a point about their football.

an aisian correspondent can say what he want, it doesn't mean that he represents all arabs in the sport and competition, grow up, don't post with such blind hatred and ignorace and elaborate on what exactly it is you're trying to say!

the way you're posting it seems that you're trying to stir trouble and imply that Arabs are cheats, all because a guy voiced his opinion. he believes that Australia is a separate continent, and it does seem quite far away on the map, however im not saying he is right or wrong. but your attitude in thats way out of order.

also im sure there has been other people who believe Australia should have joined Asia, not just arabs, i maybe wrong but, so what i'm human

just like the current Qatar team who have players from all around the world on their teams winning them medals and buying their way through to get to glory.post is extremely immature

alot of non arab teams do the same, not saying its right or wrong but in your opinion does that make them bad or is it just Arabs that your rule applies to?

i thought you weren't like that, and i hope this is a mis-understanding but speaking like that, saying that all asia has to put up with arabs, is a bit out of hand don't you think?

really if your opinion was so low of my race you shouldn't have done me a sig, i can say a lot abut Iran, but i wont because i refuse to scoop that low, and i have a lot of Iranian friends that have been great to me, so i wont.

just a coincidence that an arab also supported them in initially becoming a member

http://www.hindu.com/2005/03/24/stories/2005032402792000.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Bin_Hammam

just to show not all arabs want australia out, 1 guy with a big title, not all arabs

imo, this is perhaps for the better for asian football and it will increase competition and australia will have some strong team to compete with, which cant be bad if they want to improve further more.

edit: btw does this mean asian and australian football forum will now be one?

rOOnaldo86

11-12-2006, 06:27 PM

agree entirely with Dirtycheat..

well said m8.

The words used in the original post were quite strong for my liking as well, and painted a whole lot of ppl with the same brush. The Japanese have a lot of nationalized Brazilians as well, so you can't just blame Qatar for that. I agree with ikan, its not something I like to see but it happens with many countries, not just Arab ones. I may be wrong but I believe you should either retract/clarify what you said. :)

cartbran

11-12-2006, 06:33 PM

King Kenny

11-12-2006, 06:49 PM

While I don't disagree with your overall point about generalizations, you are wrong about Japan. They have one naturalized Brazilian, Alex, and he moved to Japan when he was a teenager.Alex is the 3rd Brazilian to play for Japan, so it's not that unfair a comment.

But Brazil and Japan have incredibly close ties and there are large Brazilian communities in Japan and vice versa. In fact Brazil houses the largest Japanese population outside of Japan, and there has been massive economic migration between the countries for about a century, so it's not that surprising that the natural migration would include footballers and that some of those footballers would take up residency in Japan.

Nelly

11-12-2006, 06:54 PM

I think the biggest difference is as KK pointed out,cultural ties.I was under the impression that the Gulf states were actively encouraging,basically paying people,to go there and represent them in order to compete.A bit like a transfer market in nationality.

rOOnaldo86

11-12-2006, 06:54 PM

Actually, I think you may be right. Not sure when Alex moved to Japan, but I was thinking of Tunisia (which is incidentally another arab country :o ) when I said a couple of naturalized Brazilians - they have two I believe.

You can see my point though, its not only the Qataris who do that; Poland also used to have a player of Nigerian origin I believe, although I'm not sure when he moved there either; but point is, generalizations are accurate.

Now, back to the main point of this thread. I was surprized to see the Aussies added in the first place tbh, its quite far away and unrelated to Asia really. I know as an African, I wouldn't like Australia to join my federation, or any other country for that matter (nothing against the Aussies in particular :D ).

Its more competition; yes it will improve them in the future, but I can certainly see the point of the Kuwaitis, Qataris, Uzbekistanis or whoever else is aspiring to reach the world cup. The Aussies are very good and have a lot of facilities and infrastructure to consistently qualify for the WC, so you have to say its almost like a place gone for them. I know most ppl know the Aussie point of view on this matter and how difficult it has been for them to qualify, but I just thought I'd point the other side as well.

Not that I'm completely for either side, just debating :D :rolleyes: .

EDIT: :eek: appears I may have not been so wrong after all, thanks KingKenny..

cartbran

11-12-2006, 07:04 PM

I can understand why Australia would want to join Asia, because qualifying in Oceana is crap. Basically it is a deul between them and the Kiwis to see who gets to play the 5th team out of S. America. Playing in Asia they get more competition and the Asian teams get more competition, makes everyone better. The W. Asian countries are just not happy because it is just making it more difficult for them to qualify with poor quality. After China, Japan, S. Korea and Iran, there is now Australia. Add in Uzbekistan and N. Korea who are stong and there is going to be considerable compeition against Gulf States to get the final 5th playoff spot that Bahrain lost to lowly CONCACAF side Trinidad and Tobago. Unless Asia gets a 6th spot, there could be three to four World Cups before another Arab side makes it.

Dirtycheat

11-12-2006, 07:20 PM

well it doesnt matte really if theyre arab or not, thats not part of the competition,

and FYI, there are a few good arab sides that could qualify, tunisia, morroco, Egypt, saudi arabia (they qualified alot but theyre shit), iraq (if you consider it arab). we will see. i certainly dont think many arab sides in asia are good enough to qualify do you're sort of right

@roonaldo86, France also have alot of foreign players playing for them, kalou was offered money to join Holland but had a passport problem. it is common inn alot of countries.

edit: yeah i know, just realized that your on about asian arab nation

cartbran

11-12-2006, 07:26 PM

well it doesnt matte really if theyre arab or not, thats not part of the competition,

and FYI, there are a few good arab sides that could qualify, tunisia, morroco, Egypt, saudi arabia (they qualified alot but theyre shit), iraq (if you consider it arab). we will see.
Tunisia, Morroco and Egypt are all in Africa BTW. While the issue is not whether the countries that are going to lose out are Arab, it just happens that is the case. Saudia Arabia only got through to the fourth spot because China and Japan had to square off in the group stages, which was an unlucky draw.

oceanic

11-12-2006, 08:27 PM

I have heard about this and I think it is absolutely disgraceful that people can think this. Have Australia done anything wrong to them to want to kick Australia out, has Australia ever cheated against them. We have done nothing and deserve our spot in Asia. I think that our inclusion in Asia gives Asia a better reputation so they shouldn't be complaining.

when did austraalians become asians?:confused: aborigines are black, and white australians are european descendants, so where's the asian bit?:confused:

I can understand why Australia would want to join Asia, because qualifying in Oceana is crap. Basically it is a deul between them and the Kiwis to see who gets to play the 5th team out of S. America. Playing in Asia they get more competition and the Asian teams get more competition, makes everyone better. The W. Asian countries are just not happy because it is just making it more difficult for them to qualify with poor quality.

The only reason I think he's doing this is because he's scared.He feels threatened that Australia is better than them in the AFC.What a loser and he lacks sportsmanship.This guy needs to face up to reality.If you want to beat a good team,you just have to be better than them.Why use such a method?And do they think they will get better and get level-playing field if Australia is ever to go out of the AFC?

You could also say that australia are losers and scared, because they can't beat the 5th south american team, and as such are trying to find an easier way to qualify for world cup, just what everyone here is accusing the arabs of doing by trying to kick australia out of an ASIAN FEDERATION. Hypocrisy? Double standards, why yes i do believe so.

cartbran

11-12-2006, 08:55 PM

You could also say that australia are losers and scared, because they can't beat the 5th south american team, and as such are trying to find an easier way to qualify for world cup, just what everyone here is accusing the arabs of doing by trying to kick australia out of an ASIAN FEDERATION. Hypocrisy? Double standards, why yes i do believe so.
:confused: How do you think they made it to Germany and Uruguay didn't?

The real question is whether Europe is better off or worse off for having such strong competition. If you think they are better off for it, then you should welcome Australia with open arms.

Matski

11-12-2006, 10:01 PM

:confused: How do you think they made it to Germany and Uruguay didn't?

The real question is whether Europe is better off or worse off for having such strong competition. If you think they are better off for it, then you should welcome Australia with open arms.
you mean asia?

take about Arabs with such a bad tone of voice, what is your problem exactly? the only Arab team in CWC is Egyptian and they don't want to kick Auckland out because they're Australian, but because they want to prove a point about their football.
what has Auckland got to do with Australia? Auckland is in New Zealand and plays in the NZ domestic competition and therefor is in the oceania confederation :D

(New Zealand Knights on the other hand play in the Australian A-League and therefor are a part of asia - go figure huh! so technically if the Knights were ever any good before they kicked out and by some miracle won the AFC champions league there would be two new zealand teams in the fifa CWC. )

Dirtycheat

11-12-2006, 10:05 PM

sorry, i thougt they were australian, pretty stupid lol, ohwell. still waiting for iknan to explain his post

Matski

11-12-2006, 10:11 PM

fair enough, i just thought that there may have been another angle that i wasn't looking at.

iKnan

11-12-2006, 11:23 PM

sorry, i thougt they were australian, pretty stupid lol, ohwell. still waiting for iknan to explain his post

I don't have any explaining to do...I've taken enough BS from some Arabs cheating and getting their way through everything, on top of that bringing my country down all the time. not all but most that I have interacted with. You can't simply take my post as a general idea about all Arabs because even I have Arab friends who are nice people. Idiots exist everywhere in the world with no exception.

I will tell you that I hate some Arabs mentality when it comes to sports and polletics.

what gives them the right to have the most represntatives in the Asian football?
what gives them the right to control everything?
what give them the right to cheat and bribe refs without getting punished for it?
what gives them the right to go and buy intl. players that are even older than 23 years of age?
what gives them the right to rename the PERSIAN GULF with so much rich history to arabian gulf?
what gives them the right to make a tourney based on that name?

If those questions will be answered, then I will ease my hatred on the Arab mentality.

I don't see why you got offended when I was talking about ARABS IN ASIA. Egypt is in Africa, I don't follow African pollotics or sports to comment. the only Arabic team I support is Iraq because they aren't dirty like the rest when it comes to sports and pollotics.

EDIT:

You mentioned me making a sig; and if I don't like Arabs then I shouldn't of done so...well bro, there's your solid proof that I don't hate arabs or any race and don't give a shit if your black, blue, red, or whatever ethnic group you want to be. that's pretty good considering the way my people have been put down by some Arabs and our history was in danger of being lost due to some of their actions.

rOOnaldo86

12-12-2006, 01:47 AM

@iKnan

Wow, I wasn't expecting that...

You've contradicted yourself so many times in that post that I don't even know where to start.

1. Hatred is a strong word, even if you are talking about a mentality. There can be some good/bad things to every type of mentality. I don't hate any mentality, you can dislike certain things that SOME ppl tend to do, but hate is a very strong term to use for actions like this imo.

2. What exactly is the "arab mentality", because I'd like to know. I'm arab. Never thought of myself as having a particular mentality just because of my origins. Plz enlighten me because I'd like to know. BEcause all i'm getting from your post is that it is a mentality based on wealth, cheating, controlling and conniving. Certainly not the nicest traits you could have painted a whole PEOPLE with.

3. If you dislike some things about certain federations/countries then thats another thing. State it; don't name and shame a whole people because of it (I don't want to use the word race because we are not a race).

4. You claim that you were talking about arabs in asia, but I'm sorry as far as I'm concerned there is no such thing. Arabs are arabs. If you mean you are talking about certain countries/individuals in the Gulf then say so, don't name your thread "Arabs want to kick out etc", and then come here and talk about your hatred for the "arab mentality".

I'm the last person to be defending the Saudi, Qatari, Bahrani, Kuwaiti and other Gulf federations because I dislike what they do in terms of controlling Arabian tournaments, referees in those tournaments etc. But I would never tar all of them with the same brush. You not only did that, but you did it for ALL arabs. And yes that includes those of us in Egypt, Tunisia, Canada, US and wherever else. I think a retraction is in order.

iKnan

12-12-2006, 02:20 AM

rOOnaldo86

12-12-2006, 02:25 AM

Don't you see whats wrong with that statement?

I stand by everything I said. Your clarification changes nothing.

As an Arab I don't have a particular leaning to any sort of mentality when it comes to politics or sports, just like you don't have any leaning towards any mentality because you're Persian.

No1_Dave

12-12-2006, 02:29 AM

wow this is developing into some thread :rolleyes:

I thought all you muslim brothers all love each other?(not in the sexual sense just incase you misunderstood)

cartbran

12-12-2006, 02:29 AM

what gives them the right to rename the PERSIAN GULF with so much rich history to arabian gulf?
You'll be happy to know that it is still the Persian Gulf in my atlas and will always be the Persian Gulf in my heart;)

Persian Gulf is the internationally recognized name, so don't worry about it, they can call it what they want, it won't change it.

savvas

12-12-2006, 02:32 AM

and FYI, there are a few good arab sides that could qualify, tunisia, morroco, Egypt, saudi arabia (they qualified alot but theyre shit), iraq (if you consider it arab). we will see. i certainly dont think many arab sides in asia are good enough to qualify do you're sort of right

True, I think they shouldn't be complaining these sides who can't make the world cup. If they want to make it through they will have to lift there standards up and become good enough to beat the teams such as Japan, South Korea, Australia, Saudia Arabia etc to make it though, its as simple as that. The World Cup is a tournament full of quality sides that have earnt there spot from the quality of their teams. These sides who have found it difficult to make the world cup just can't think like that. They just have to realise they have to have a squad good enough. They shouldn't be complaining about quality sides such as Australia entered in the Asian Confederation.

Also, what makes them so sure Australia will make the world cup. They haven't made it yet, these countries have the chance to beat them and knock them out. Why don't they do this instead of going on about kicking out Australia from the Asian confederation. Prove Themselves That They Are Good Enough!
Ah well everyone has their opinions.....

rOOnaldo86

12-12-2006, 02:36 AM

wow this is developing into some thread :rolleyes:

I thought all you muslim brothers all love each other?(not in the sexual sense just incase you misunderstood)

Well yeah, in a non-contact sort of way like you point out :rolleyes: .

I've got no problem with anyone tbh, I was just pretty shocked at his reply, if you look back at my posts I was pretty relaxed I think, maybe its a slight overreaction by me in hindsight but I think he's used some unfair and strong generalizations there.

cartbran

12-12-2006, 02:45 AM

wow this is developing into some thread :rolleyes:

I thought all you muslim brothers all love each other?(not in the sexual sense just incase you misunderstood)
Dave, I don't think you have been following events too closely over the past few years in muslim world, particularly Algeria and Iraq where a civil war was ending in the first one and starting in the second. The Hamas/Fatah violence in Palestine is another example and Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Pakistan have been the sites of some home grown terrorist attacks from other muslims. So what do you know? Muslims are just like Christians, they like to fight too.

iKnan

12-12-2006, 03:02 AM

You'll be happy to know that it is still the Persian Gulf in my atlas and will always be the Persian Gulf in my heart;)

Persian Gulf is the internationally recognized name, so don't worry about it, they can call it what they want, it won't change it.

thanks for the support...that was after we busted our asses by signing petitions and spreading the word around and protested against such foolish move.

No1_Dave

12-12-2006, 03:24 AM

Dave, I don't think you have been following events too closely over the past few years in muslim world, particularly Algeria and Iraq where a civil war was ending in the first one and starting in the second. The Hamas/Fatah violence in Palestine is another example and Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Pakistan have been the sites of some home grown terrorist attacks from other muslims. So what do you know? Muslims are just like Christians, they like to fight too.

if watching BBC, ITV, Channel 4, Sky, sometimes CNN, means not following the news then you're right. :rolleyes: , but as I'm not from the middle east, not muslim, their news is not the highest priority for me, but I still follow them nonetheless.

the reason I said muslims say they "love" their fellow muslim brothers is what the muslims in the UK are generally saying, because they're such avid followers of their religion, they don't want to fight between themselves.(or give the impression of it)

all the wars you mentioned are mainly motivated by politics, with religious aspects added to the mix, the "homegrown terroists" are mainly targeting westerners in their country, and even tries to travel to overseas to do damage. In Iraq there is sectarian violence, but influenced by outside forces trying to destabilise the country causing the US & UK troops porblems, in palestine it's against israel.

as for "Muslims are just like Christians, they like to fight too", you'll get very few muslims admitting that.

anyways, I think we're getting seriously off topic here.

Rhys

12-12-2006, 03:32 AM

The winner of the Oceania competition should then face of with the 6th best Asian side for the chance to play the 5th best Sth. American side.

PROBLEM SOLVED.

rOOnaldo86

12-12-2006, 03:37 AM

all the wars you mentioned are mainly motivated by politics, with religious aspects added to the mix, the "homegrown terroists" are mainly targeting westerners in their country, and even ttries to travel to overseasto do damage.

Well I'm not sure about the other examples but I know about Saudi Arabia because I lived there for a couple years; there the homegrown terrorists attack both Muslim and non-Muslim. Right now actually its mostly Muslims as they have a particular feud with the police force and the royal family.

Anyway, as a Muslim I would tend to agree more with cartbran actually, we fight just as much as anybody else. Some of us just try to paper the cracks more than others :rolleyes: .

No1_Dave

12-12-2006, 03:52 AM

@rOOnaldo86

I was editing my original post when you quoted the old one, now new more up to date version :)

Matski

12-12-2006, 04:30 AM

The winner of the Oceania competition should then face of with the 6th best Asian side for the chance to play the 5th best Sth. American side.

PROBLEM SOLVED.

i'd go for that.

Drolander

12-12-2006, 04:47 AM

wow this is developing into some thread :rolleyes:

I thought all you muslim brothers all love each other?(not in the sexual sense just incase you misunderstood)

Yeah we do but everyone had their differences..so you know...

No1_Dave

12-12-2006, 04:49 AM

thanks for admiting :)

Drolander

12-12-2006, 05:24 AM

no problemo for a fellow united fan :)

cartbran

12-12-2006, 05:27 AM

all the wars you mentioned are mainly motivated by politics, with religious aspects added to the mix, the "homegrown terroists" are mainly targeting westerners in their country, and even tries to travel to overseas to do damage. In Iraq there is sectarian violence, but influenced by outside forces trying to destabilise the country causing the US & UK troops porblems, in palestine it's against israel.
The statement about watching the news was more in jest.

But any event, most of the cases of violence I mentioned are specifically from orthodox muslim groups attacking what they view as more or less heathen state structures with the goal of establishing or protecting a Islamic state. That was certainly the case in Algeria, Turkey (although many bombings attacked western symbols, like the British Embassy, the groups behind them want to make Turkey an Islamic republic), Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. And in Palestine, just today the four young children of a Fatah security chief were brutally murdered. In Iraq, there is a lot of things going on, from recriminations against the Sunni for years of repression to external influences (Iran, al qaeda, Syria, possibly Saudi Arabia, etc.) to just base tribal rivalries.

No1_Dave

12-12-2006, 05:30 AM

no problemo for a fellow united fan :)

we Utd fans love eachother ;) (not in a sexual way just incase you misunderstood, unless of course if you're female) :p

mattx

12-12-2006, 09:36 AM

The winner of the Oceania competition should then face of with the 6th best Asian side for the chance to play the 5th best Sth. American side.

PROBLEM SOLVED.

Yes, but then youre taking one place away from the South Americans, who could probably have MORE than 5 teams enter the World Cup and any team could win against other `weaker` Confederations. Does Asia really deserve 6 places? Maybe 3 or 4

As an Australian, who lives in Asia (Japan) its easy to see how Australia is becoming closer to Asisa in more ways than just sport, economics, tourism. So it does make some sense for us to be playing there.

As an aside: This thread is fascinating, and we can see that there really is a lot more to football, especially when it becomes political.

The issue of who is an Arab is a big issue in itself.
I was just listening to a radio program discussing Lebanon and their Arabness(?)...since certain indigenous populations spoke Aramaic not Arabic, making them Phoenicians not Arabs ....anyway a complex, fascinating issue, and is probably better discussed elsewhere...the conclusion of that radio program was that personal identity is very fluid, and I think the fact that someone who identified himself as an Arab has said that Australia shouldn't join Asia, the fact that he is an Arab is irrelevant.

Gh0StFaC3

13-12-2006, 08:33 AM

when did austraalians become asians?:confused: aborigines are black, and white australians are european descendants, so where's the asian bit?:confused:
So what do you class as 'asian' then?? People with a certain type of skin colour?? ffs..
The term is meant to imply that the country in question is geographically aligned with the region. Also to a certain extent, other ties can be incorporated, such as sports, politics, trade agreements etc.

You could also say that australia are losers and scared, because they can't beat the 5th south american team, and as such are trying to find an easier way to qualify for world cup, just what everyone here is accusing the arabs of doing by trying to kick australia out of an ASIAN FEDERATION. Hypocrisy? Double standards, why yes i do believe so.
No, you couldn't say that!
Australia qualified for the last WC by beating the 5th place South American team, so it is hardly impossible!
The SOLE reason for Australia moving to Asia, is to gain increased meaningful competition. This will help develop Australian football, as well as the traditionally 'Asian' footballing nations.
I would suggest that qualifying for a World Cup via Asia is significantly more difficult than through Oceania and a home/away tie against the 5th place South American team, so there is absolutely no validity to your argument whatsoever IMO!

The Kuwatie officials who have made these comments, are scared of missing out on future World Cup spots & are upset at missing out on the Asian Nations Cup. The statements they have released are completely baseless and smack of bitterness & jealousy. Simple as that!

Personally, I'm looking forward to the challenges of Australia playing competitively against the likes of Iran, Japan and Sth Korea, both on a national and club level on a regular basis.

No1_Dave

13-12-2006, 08:58 AM

Australia is becoming closer to Asisa in more ways than just sport, economics, tourism. So it does make some sense for us to be playing there.

that's the correct generally concensus

Kan

13-12-2006, 09:17 AM

Sorry to rock your bubble, but iKnan is Persian. If you would ever talk to a Persian, you will find out soon enought that they are not Arab. I think you are confusing them because they muslim, but they are not Arab and frankly don't really like the Arabs and the Arabs don't really like them. Just because someone is muslim, you shouldn't assume that they are Arab. There are a lot of Muslims in Asia.

Where did I ever mention anything about Muslims. My bad that I got it all wrong about Iran being Arabs but to accuse me of generalising about all Muslims being Arabs is full off it mate you're talking out of your arse accusing me of making assumptions I never made. And the reason why I was confusing it is because from what I understand is that Iran ties closley within the Middle East, from what I understand is where a majority of Arabs dwell. And just because someone gets it wrong doesn't lead them to generalising out of his arse like you are sir.

Correct me if I'm wrong but to accuse me of making assumptions where there is no evidence of it is fucked up.

when did austraalians become asians?:confused: aborigines are black, and white australians are european descendants, so where's the asian bit?:confused:

You know before the lands seperated it was known that the first indigineous were from Indonesia and such...

sorry, i thougt they were australian, pretty stupid lol, ohwell. still waiting for iknan to explain his post

Don't worry mate it's a plain simple mistake, none of us Aussies are going to take it personally and accuse you of generalising like 'because auckland and australia has the first two letters the same doesnt mean all countries or cities that start with AU are Australian, you know there is other cities that start with AU and isn't apart of Australia you know'.

Vic

13-12-2006, 01:14 PM

Being part of Asia has even boosted our sponsor income! Greatest move for Aussie football!!!

MoFF

13-12-2006, 02:07 PM

We shall not be moved!

Dirtycheat

13-12-2006, 03:46 PM

i kind of understand what iknan was trying to say. he hates the mentality of some arabs that will get what they want at any price, wether that price will be money or inconvieniece to other people. i have to agree, there is some aragonce present with aisian arabs in particular, probably due to them having alot money and that they can buy or demand what they want and get it.

i noticed this when i last went to mecca last june and our family was starving and wanted some food, we were waiting in the que for a takeaway restaureant and a saudi said he needs to feed his family and tried to get infront of us, then the guy infront of us agreed with him and said we should
let him infront of us, my dad said if thats the case he can let the guy infront of him and he refused. this is a classic example of saudis, i use to live ther for a year, they have a little circle between them, kuwaities and qatar and bahrain, most quaties ive seen are ok its just the saudies that are the hworst.

i think this is what you mean, not sure, sorry about the mis-understanding.

No1_Dave

13-12-2006, 08:09 PM

arrogance due to enormous (oil)wealth eh? chel$ki any1?

oceanic

24-12-2006, 05:16 AM

fact is if all you people belive that australia belongs in asia, then you all have to say that oceania does not exist? Now who is going to deny this!

If you allow australia into the asian federation you have to do that to all the other teams in that region. And frankly there are already too many countries in the asian continent, and its pretty stupid to add more.

All of you are blaming the arab countries like they are in the wrong, or are doing somethign bad, they aren't they have a very valid and fair point. it wasn't long ago everyone here was complaining about israel being in europe. And now that the foot is on the other shoe, all of a sudden the rules change? Why. It is double standards. Australia does not belong to asia, unless you say there is no oceania region, and frankly at the moment there is in all geography textbooks. It is considered a continental region still as far as i know.

dolpiaza

24-12-2006, 05:45 AM

without wanting to get into the politics of it too much, i kinda agree with Oceanic.

According to Wiki,

The Oceania Football Confederation (OFC) is one of six football confederations under the auspices of FIFA, the international governing body of football (soccer). The OFC is the only confederation without an automatic qualification to the World Cup Finals. Currently the winner of the OFC must play-off against a South American confederation side.

Oceania has only been represented at three World Cup Finals - Australia in 1974, New Zealand in 1982 and Australia in 2006. However, Australia is now no longer a member of the Oceania Football Confederation, having joined the Asian Football Confederation in 2006.

Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceania#Sport)

This doesn't make sense. Oceania has a federation represented in FIFA. If Australia comes under AFC, then why not New Zealand? In fact, why not just do away with OFC altogether. How can you have one country in one federation and it's neighbour in another? Just doesn't make sense. Israel, maybe you can understand have security or political issues behind it. Fair enough, but in this case, it just doesn't make sense.

No1_Dave

24-12-2006, 06:07 AM

maybe because the kiwi's football NT are quality wise not good enough to warrant a spot in the AFC? How many quality Kiwi players can you name? :rolleyes:

but I wouldn't object to they coming to the AFC tho' because in OFC it's always 1) Aus 2)NZ 3)Pacific island nations, no competition there is it, no way to improve their NT, you don't want to see these little pacific nations getting thrashed 10 nil every games now do you?

dolpiaza

24-12-2006, 07:06 AM

No1_Dave

24-12-2006, 07:13 AM

yeah, but why should that be a consideration. if that were, then why don't Fifa just reorganise the whole qualification process according to Fifa rankings basis rather than a geographical one?

Even in Europe, you see teams getting whacked silly.

Maybe a 2 tier qualification process? Teams lower in the rankings play among themselves first to qualify for the main qualification stages?

Though would lower ranked teams consider this unfair?

these are exactly the arguements they're already having in UEFA, & by TV pundits & commentator, on BBC etc when England "whacked" Andorra a few month ago.

So maybe the OFC has seen these whackings too much and don't like it so they done something about it :rolleyes:

dolpiaza

24-12-2006, 07:15 AM

So maybe the OFC has seen these whackings too much and don't like it so they done something about it :rolleyes:

so the OFC have decided to kick Australia out? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Dirtycheat

24-12-2006, 10:10 AM

i heard NZ are going to follow in the Ozzy's footsteps soon and join asia. and canada want to do the same thing.

MoFF

24-12-2006, 11:11 AM

i heard NZ are going to follow in the Ozzy's footsteps soon and join asia. and canada want to do the same thing.

New Zealand I can understand. But Canada, what the fuck are they thinking?

Sataris

24-12-2006, 11:49 AM

New Zealand I can understand. But Canada, what the fuck are they thinking?

Canada is actually closer to asia than Australia

Vancouver to Tokyo = 4136.5 Nautical Miles
Sydney to Tokyo = 4257.8 Nautical Miles

cartbran

24-12-2006, 11:58 AM

Canada is actually closer to asia than Australia

Vancouver to Tokyo = 4136.5 Nautical Miles
Sydney to Tokyo = 4257.8 Nautical Miles
What about Toronto to Tokyo? I think I would need to see an article before considering that Canada would do it.

MoFF

24-12-2006, 12:03 PM

Canada is actually closer to asia than Australia

Vancouver to Tokyo = 4136.5 Nautical Miles
Sydney to Tokyo = 4257.8 Nautical Miles

Yes, but that is only Tokyo. Look how close we are to Indonesia.

Anyway, why would Canada want to do it? At least they have the US etc for stiff competition.

iKnan

24-12-2006, 12:17 PM

Canada is actually closer to asia than Australia

Vancouver to Tokyo = 4136.5 Nautical Miles
Sydney to Tokyo = 4257.8 Nautical Miles

may I ask why you compare both to Tokyo? you're obviously not going to get an accurate result.

you have to see the shortest distance of Australia/Canada to the nearest Asian country...so basically you have to use Vietnam, Malaysia, and other low lying Asian countries to reach a solution.

simple enough :D

Sataris

24-12-2006, 12:36 PM

How far away is Indonesia from the rest of Asia though?

I used tokyo because

tokyo is roughly equally far away from the rest of the asian nations

Tokyo to Vietnam = 2407.2 Nautical Miles

Tokyo to Singapore = 2891.3 Nautical Miles

Tokyo to Jakarta = 3153.6 Nautical Miles

No1_Dave

24-12-2006, 12:49 PM

i heard NZ are going to follow in the Ozzy's footsteps soon and join asia. and canada want to do the same thing.

Yo guys this is developing into a geographic distance measure thing here, I think it was supposed to be a sarcastic jibe by Dirtyc trying to say because these countries don't have enought competition in their own continent they're trying to break away and join a Federation that they don't belong..

or may be something else:confused:

cartbran

24-12-2006, 12:52 PM

Aside from the US, the closest country to Canada is Russia and the vast, vast (it's a double entendre:)) majority of Russia's land mass is in Asia, so it could make sense. But there is this weird connection between sport and economics. Australia has a close partnership with ASEAN and I would expect that being in the Asia federation would help them economically by increasing ties and opportunities for trade with Asian neighbors that already make up a lot of trade with the country.

While trade with Asia is probably the driving factor in the BC economy (China is the largest foreign trade partner with the state of Washington and the two have similar economies), the largest trade partner for Canada as a country is the US and Canada is of course a part of NAFTA. And while most of that trade comes to Ontario, I don't think I could see Canada making such a choice considering the social and political factors involved. While it could make sense for BC, considering the large Asian population there, it probably wouldn't fit for the rest of the country.

I wonder if it would also affect Olympic qualifying for sports outside of football?