Nakamura seen at Villa Park - Shockeroooooni

[PortGlasgow]

lifes too short

[Claret&Blues]

Is this meant to be funny? :confused:

[Silas]

Is this meant to be funny? :confused:
Seconded! :confused:

[Orientdave]

Is this meant to be funny? :confused:

Thirded ... because I live in Japan too, and it's not.

[PortGlasgow]

Scottish hitler went down well! Why the shock at the japaneese zero?

[jimmy]

Scottish hitler went down well! Why the shock at the japaneese zero?
maybe you're being mistaken for wee maloney? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/6316441.stm) hope this aint happening like, nightmare if it does.. if he goes, pass on his wages on top of mcgeadys and sign him up a bumper 10 year deal i say:D

p.s, port ye smoking the green again? ye hippie

[PortGlasgow]

Hartley seen being escorted by Tommy Bhurns

[Fenianbhoy]

Hartley seen being escorted by Tommy Bhurns

To where ? Pinapple i hope . rather than Paradise for the money quoted.

[Nelly]

Looks quite cold over Villa Park.Defo chilly........a real nip in the air.Brrrrrrr!!

[jimmy]

Looks quite cold over Villa Park.Defo chilly........a real nip in the air.Brrrrrrr!!
i cry and i cry.. and i cried myself to sleep:o

[Nelly]

I can't stop myself Jimmy.I need help.

Btw......Are those Sellick fans in your sig? Must be.......just robbed a nice TV.The Scumbags that they are.:(:mad:

[PortGlasgow]

Glad my intended audience didnt break down greetin at my picture :rolleyes:

Overall not too dissapointed at the january sales, not as much as last year when the Villarreal tie was looming. Lost out on Brown who I hear will be completed in the Summer for 4M :eek: and Gow who will mostly likely be arriving in the summer on a free. But 6 months is a long time in football

Thomson, Ehiogu sp? and Weir. Striker Djeziri coming on a loan till the summer know absolutely nothing about him but his managers comments dont strike me with confidence "I don't think he will be near the first team in the first half year, although they have the option to buy him in the summer."


Celtic Hartley in and Maloney out

/edit Gow pre contract completed

[WeeJoe]

overall from a celtic point of view im quite happy witht the transfer window this year. Pressley, Doumbe, Brown (gk), Hartley in Maloney out. think i've mentioned everyone. so overall gotta be happy the signings.

disappointed to see shawn go but hope he gets on well with uncle martin at aston villa

[Orientdave]

Glad my intended audience didnt break down greetin at my picture :rolleyes:

Of course PortGlasgow, maybe your intended audience was fine with your pic.

As my PM said, do you get the idea that there may also be an unintended audience out here on the interwebby?

I am disappointed that you posted the quote above mate. You were so surprised when people expressed their dislike of your initial post (me Claret and Blues and Silas) that you PM'd me asking why you had caused offence.

So, I sent you a lengthy reply to your PM telling you no real offence taken and explaining the effects of "comedy" on unintended audiences. I hoped you'd see what I mean. So I am disappointed you maybe didn't (going by the the quote above).

This is the web, which is pretty free for (most) people to post what they want, where, when and how. It is also free for people to express their dislike of others' posts. Me of yours and you of mine included.

If you don't want to see stuff on the web that criticizes what you put up, then don't post some stuff. It's your choice, mine too.

Have a good one and please, can I ask you directly here to refrain in future from putting out images that lebel the 126 million Japanese people around the world as some throwback to a time we should all have consigned to history.

Greetin Dave.:rolleyes:

[PortGlasgow]

Dave it comes back to your impression that you and claret and blues somehow represent the "126 million Japanese people around the world" and you are their self proclaimed spokesmen?

Have a good one and please, can I ask you directly here to refrain in future from putting out images that lebel the 126 million Japanese people around the world as some throwback to a time we should all have consigned to history.

You too Dave, but can you explain how an image could label 126 million Japanese people as a throwback? or do you believe some out their actually think all japaneese ppl fly mitsubishi zero fighter planes

This image causes no offence whatsover to people who would use a football forum at the extreme case it may cause a little embarrassment but IM 100% SURE nothing to offend anyone.

[Orientdave]

can you explain how an image could label 126 million Japanese people as a throwback? or do you believe some out their actually think all japaneese ppl fly mitsubishi zero fighter planes

This image causes no offence whatsover to people who would use a football forum at the extreme case it may cause a little embarrassment but IM 100% SURE nothing to offend anyone.

Hi again PG. Thanks for the reply. I can understand why you feel that, given your belief that your intended audience (your mates in the Scottish Football thread?, People on a footy forum?) would not mistake the meaning of your posted picture, that you could be "100% sure" that the image may cause little offence.

I understand how you may think that, yet disagree.

As I mentioned in my PM basically, there exists an unintended audience out here in cyberspace who are likely to, and in this case have reacted in a way you failed to predict. OK, you were sure that no-one should have been in any way offended, however, I for one was disappointed that you chose to represent one Japanese man (Nakamura Shunsuke) as a Zero flying, and in some people's minds maybe even, "kamikaze" flying Japanese person.

So, your post was not funny to some people, some may have been offended. I for one was dissapointed. And I have expressed that to you. I believe it is unhelpful in the current political climate in Asia and since we have many people who live in Asia on these boards, am going to continue to express my request that you consider what you post a little more.

It appears to me so far that you have chosen to suggest I am wrong to be disappointed. I'm sorry mate. I have to disagree. You don't live here. You maybe understand a little less about the culture and people here than me. I am attempting to get you to understand, and will continue to do so, that your posted image is unwelcome by many in Asia.

As I said in my PM, satire is a very sharp tool. Sharp tools have to be handled carefully. They have the potential to cause harm through the prolonging of misguided stereotypes.

So let me try and spell it out for you here in as close to black and white as I can. This may take a little time, but I have to spell it out to you. Images of Japanese people in Zero fighters acting as "kamikaze" are unhelpful right now in Asia thanks. So desist please.

You could not know that unless you get to know a bit more about Asian politics maybe, so let me be your guide in a crash course.

Here in Japan a high tension exists between, on the onde hand, groups in society that believe Japan has lost its sense of pride in itself and that the people have lost their "love" of their country and on the other hand, others that believe that there is a worrying trend of increasing nationalism akin to that of pre-world war two.

If you want some examples here you go.

1) Last month the Self Defence department was renamed and "upgraded" and many see this as the first step in Japan beginning to re-arm itself, especially in the face of a potential threat from North Korean nuclear technology research. See a recent US defence spokespersons report that they believe Japan will react to North Korean tesing by attempting to become a nuclear power.

2) A new film is receiving glowing reviews from politicians, including the head of the Tokyo Metropolitan Area that attempts to claim what is called the "Rape of Naking", a massacre during the second world war, as false. The accepted version of events throughout the world outside Japan leads eavily towards the occurance of the war crimes committed there. There is significant tension between Japan and its neighbours about the representation of Japanese acts during WWII. The repurcussions of this have been seen in acts of violence against non-Japanese people in Japan and Japanese people in other parts of Asia.

3) Just yesterday the national broadcaster NHK was in court and found guilty of doctoring documentaries made about "comfort women" in the second world war as a result of pressure from politicans who are keen to downplay, even refute, the existence of forced prostitution in Japanese occupied Asia at that time.

4) Then there is the issue of the relationship between state and religion that has led to increased international tension in East Asia since the Japanese Prime Ministers of the last 5 years have resumed visits to Yasukuni Shrine, the resting place of confirmed war criminals from that period.

As just this crash course shows, these are big issues here in Japan and East Asia. These issues are shaping the worlds of not only Japanese population, all 126 million of them, but also those of Koreans and Chinese among others. They are affected by it whether they like it, or even aware of it or not.

And so are you since you post into an area inhabited by some of those people, whether you like it or are aware of it or not.

Yes, your post to your small intended audience may not have caused offence. Agreed.

Your post is on the net however. And I saw it. And I have I suspect a slightly greater understanding of the state of Japanese politics and culture than you do (apologies if I am wrong). And I was disappointed. So I told you.

The next question you have to ask yourself now is do you understand that there are people and places in this world that you know not so much about that may be offended by what you do, without you realising it?

Japan, its current relationship to its Asian neighbours and the role of the second world war in that relationship is still a sore point in this part of the world.

Your post could offend the many Japanese people who believe that images of the things done during WWII create or maintain an image of Japanese people that they are trying to release themselves from.

That's it. Bottom line. I apologise for not making you aware of the danger of such images in Asia in my initial post.
Images like that can, have and still do create issues here in Asia. Maybe not in Cheshire, but they do here. And here is somewhere you inhabit on the net.

[PortGlasgow]

thanks for the long reply dave...

What was your meaning on the posted picture, maybe this is the source of the confusion? You mentioned "kamikaze flying Japanese person" was this your mis-interpretation? if it was then maybe you should having a word with yourself not me about stereotypes.

I never mentioned or implied Kamikaze once, you have solely introduced this act into the argument and I think used this to magnify the emotional impact of a picture of nakamura in japaneese fighter place over villa park.

Japaneese politics are covered by British news companies so cheers for the refresher but I fail to see what influence they have on this thread. Your argument is incredibly weak and your frantically trying to back up your original hysterical reply to the picture. You might believe that all I know about japaneese culture are the strereotypes of world war 2 certainly coming from your arrogance of your posts I would take that view.

Maybe in Japaneese culture I wouldnt have felt it right to post this picture but Dave ive not chosen drown myself in Japaneese culture to be accepted by the locals as you have. I am ofcourse sensitive to the fact this is a global medium BUT I think our asian friends have more to be concerned about than my sense of humour.

Unfortunately I cant see any valid reasons in your post that would show this picture as offensive and im not responsible for any additional stereotypical meaning you may place on it. Stereotypes can be a good thing aswell dave its all in the eye of the beholder.

This post was placed in the scottish football thread and was intended for scottish football fans as showing Nakamuras possible transfer to Villa Park maybe when you find yourself in the Scottish football you'll be more aware of our culture than you were in your pm.

I appologise too for not making the picture abundantly clear on its meaning but I wasnt aware people would take the negative angle.

[Fenianbhoy]

Ooh looks like a very funny picture's meaning got took to far :eek:

Im sure someone is selling a sense of humour on ebay somewhere.

[Claret&Blues]

Ooh looks like a very funny picture's meaning got took to far :eek:

Im sure someone is selling a sense of humour on ebay somewhere.

Time is running out to put in a bid, Porty Glesgae sonny! :D

[Seany463]

What happened to the topic?

Naka will go back to Japan when hes finished at Celtic. It would take an arm and a leg to buy him from Celtic, maybe £12m considering the total for Petrov was roughly £8m.

£12m would be cheap. I'm sure he'd be 10x the player in England as it aint nearly as rough and tumble as it is up here.

Maloney is gone, sigh. Fantastic player, which im now sure he will fulfill his potential in England and go on to be a terriffic player for Scotland. However, we got Kenny Miller, Gary Caldwell, Derek Riordan & Steven Pressley this season for a grand total of £150k so we have to say, you win some you lose some.

I've heard him compaired to Liam Miller of late, but I beg to differ. Miller never gave us a chance to resign him, his contract with Man U was signed and sealed on the 31st December (at the first moment he could sign it). Shaun gave us his price, it was our responsibility to match it/meet it halfway.

I'd say he was worth £25k per week, but the board (in my mind) probably couldnt justify it as he'd been injured most of his Celtic career, & had been on the treatment table for most of this season so far. Its much easier today for an EPL team to gamble like that with all the new money coming in from dividing TV rights.

Good luck Shaun Maloney, lets hope you bring good times for Scotland now instead.

[Fenianbhoy]

What happened to the topic?

Naka will go back to Japan when hes finished at Celtic. It would take an arm and a leg to buy him from Celtic, maybe £12m considering the total for Petrov was roughly £8m.

£12m would be cheap. I'm sure he'd be 10x the player in England as it aint nearly as rough and tumble as it is up here.

Maloney is gone, sigh. Fantastic player, which im now sure he will fulfill his potential in England and go on to be a terriffic player for Scotland. However, we got Kenny Miller, Gary Caldwell, Derek Riordan & Steven Pressley this season for a grand total of £150k so we have to say, you win some you lose some.

I've heard him compared to Liam Miller of late, but I beg to differ. Miller never gave us a chance to resign him, his contract with Man U was signed and sealed on the 31st December (at the first moment he could sign it). Shaun gave us his price, it was our responsibility to match it/meet it halfway.

I'd say he was worth £25k per week, but the board (in my mind) probably could'nt justify it as he'd been injured most of his Celtic career, & had been on the treatment table for most of this season so far. Its much easier today for an EPL team to gamble like that with all the new money coming in from dividing TV rights.

Good luck Shaun Maloney, lets hope you bring good times for Scotland now instead.

Celtic CAN NEVER justify Paying Kids like Baloney who've came through the ranks 25k or even half that , as McGeady & Riorden who can both play his position will surely justify the boards decision by there performances & everyone at Celtic knows this.

Celtic as a Club to challenge for the Spl for the REST OF TIME only need to ever splash cash on top strikers to put the ball in the net , the odd Proven Midfielder (over 4 mill) well 2 Mill on Gravesen aint proved nothing, all other positions will always be brought on with youth in Celtic Football Club , and we will always be better for it.

As For Nakamura , It would be a terrific bonus if he started the season 07 , but i wouldn't be suprised if he left & if he did Celtic would be happy with half the top price you mentioned seany, sure if he was doing the same in England Or Spain his value would be more than that , but sadly not playing against decent opposition devalues good players here.

But they're might be 1 or 2 managers out there who can see like we do and know he could produce it in any league.

[Seany463]

Celtic CAN NEVER justify Paying Kids like Baloney who've came through the ranks 25k or even half that , as McGeady & Riorden who can both play his position will surely justify the boards decision by there performances & everyone at Celtic knows this.

Celtic as a Club to challenge for the Spl for the REST OF TIME only need to ever splash cash on top strikers to put the ball in the net , the odd Proven Midfielder (over 4 mill) well 2 Mill on Gravesen aint proved nothing, all other positions will always be brought on with youth in Celtic Football Club , and we will always be better for it.

As For Nakamura , It would be a terrific bonus if he started the season 07 , but i wouldn't be suprised if he left & if he did Celtic would be happy with half the top price you mentioned seany, sure if he was doing the same in England Or Spain his value would be more than that , but sadly not playing against decent opposition devalues good players here.

But they're might be 1 or 2 managers out there who can see like we do and know he could produce it in any league.
Lets not forget FB, Maloney aint a kid anymore, he's 24 this month & almost halfway through his 'top flight & professional' career.

I dont understand why you think Celtic can never pay players brought through the youth system 25k per week. Surely if they're worth it, they should be paid as such, no?

Considering most of our team at the current moment...

Boruc
Naylor
Pressley
Telfer
Riordan
Lennon
Gravesen
Naka

were not brought through our system, I beg to differ that we will bring through youth players for the rest of the team to be capable of winning the league for quite some time.

Sure we have great if not fantastic youth prospects waiting in the wings to fill the boots of any of these regulars, but for the moment they're just prospects.

On a final note, if Thomas Gravesen is worth £30K/PW then Shaun Maloney is well worth 25K/PW. Pull yer finger out Gravy.