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tune

21-02-2007, 11:17 PM

any interest here for this tournament?

I think USA got a tough draw, we'll be lucky to win 1, but I think we'll advance out of the group stages, then get knocked out quickly.

Again, all depends on the squad we sent, A or B team. It'd be good for the boys to send the A squad to play in what's going to be an extremely hostile environment. There's no love loss for Americans in Venezula right now (thanks W...)

ARISTI

21-02-2007, 11:52 PM

The squad itself will be a mixture of the A squad and the B squad because the US opening match is 4 days after the final of the 2007 Gold Cup

Montezuma

19-03-2007, 09:23 PM

I'm a bit confused on this issue. I've read a few places that it is more important for the USMNT to win the Gold Cup and to put their energies toward that rather than Copa America. On the other hand I've read that the USMNT should put more energy into the Copa America in order to get the team experience against the more powerful south american teams. Can anyone explain why these are valid or invalid points? What are the incentives for doing well in either of the tourneys?

Thanks.

rollosan

20-03-2007, 12:27 AM

no disrespect to the gold cup itself or the teams participating in it, but the Copa America is way more prestigious. Also, in terms of experience for bigger stages such as the world cup, that's a more appropriate tournament. Not to mention the fact that the Copa America is followed all over the world, while the gold cup is mainly a local affair. For the players they should love the exposure that the Copa America gives

Ziegler1988

20-03-2007, 10:28 PM

Bradley says he will be putting the Gold Cup as the #1 priority so we can qualify for the Confederations Cup, which he apparently sees as very important.
I'd rather see what our best squad could do against the likes of Argentina, Brazil, etc. in the Copa America, but oh well.

west501

21-03-2007, 03:14 AM

I am very interested in this tournament and think we have a good chance to win
in an unprecedented move in the modern era Basile, who won both previous tournaments he participated in as coach, is practising weekly with a group of promising nationally based players and is likely to add superstars from abroad to the heavily practised team for this tournament for some prime tiki-taka
so while it is a b- or even c-team it is different to many other tournaments in which we fielded a completely un-practised team of second stringers (and lost 0-3 to the US)

Somaztlan

21-03-2007, 03:35 AM

Anyone know what the payouts are for both tournaments?

sirmax858

21-03-2007, 03:39 AM

i THINK FROM THE uNITED sTATES STANDPOINT THE gOLD cUP IS more important. Only because when they win this tournament they will receive a birth to the confederation cup, and its own our own territory.

Also US, even if they won the Copa America(which they wont) and didn't win the Gold Cup they wouldn't gain entrance to the confederation cup.

morky

20-05-2007, 06:12 PM

If this is true, it just proves that the footballing authorities are as clueless in the USa as they are in Europe.

I think any footballer or supporter who knows the game would admit that the Copa America is far more prestigeous and worthwhile than the Gold Cup.

If they want to make football in North America work, they should be doing all they can to expose the US public to the historic clubs, stadia, magnificent atmospheres and technical ability of South America. And I think losing every game in the Copa America against real competition, but showing guts and heart like the US team usually do would do a lot more for them than winning a Gold Cup.

NEColourULike

22-05-2007, 03:13 AM

I think the idea is that Bradley isn't going to wear out the team going for an impossible goal.

morky

22-05-2007, 08:28 AM

I think the idea is that Bradley isn't going to wear out the team going for an impossible goal.

That would depend on what their goal is . .

It's like England sending a weakened side to the European Championships because they wanted to win the Home Nations against Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

I'm sure a lot of football supporters in the United States would rather travel overseas to 'proper' tournaments and experience the atmosphere of football in the most passionate area of the footballing world. Surely their goal should be to develop as a footballing nation and to build history for their people to draw inspiration and pride from.

mosesmalone

22-05-2007, 01:13 PM

I think developing as a footballing nation comes from winning games, not just traveling to fanatical environments. International football is totally different than the club game. It shouldn't ever be about developing younsters and gaining experience - it should be about winning games... and now. If Bradley feels that he can't send his "A" team to both tournaments, then I can respect that, so long as a priority is still put on results.

I don't understand the concept that sending a top-level team to Copa America is somehow going to increase the chances of the United States winning the World Cup in 2010.

morky

22-05-2007, 08:05 PM

titeo

22-05-2007, 09:07 PM

That is retarded, Bradley do know that the Confederations Cup will pack even bigger opponents than the Copa America right? The Confederations Cup is essentially the Cup Winners Cup (Asia, Europe, Africa, Americas, Australia Championship winners).

I say, bring the A team to Venezuela and put your heart on the field. Is it me or is Bradley afraid of losing some face in front of his boss. He just was appointed as head coach, I guess he doesn't want to lose the job too quick.

mosesmalone

22-05-2007, 09:30 PM

Is football all about winning the 2010 World Cup?
No, but I assume that when people push for the development of US Soccer, they expect results in the World Cup. If the United States wins the Gold Cup, Copa America, the Confederations Cup, and whatever else is thrown its way, but ends up dropping out of the World Cup in the first round, its going to (once again) be seen as a regression and failure. I think this works for most nations. The thought of England winning Euro 2008 and then failing to make the 2010 World Cup isn't very appetizing, is it?

And what are "proper" tournaments? The World Cup... Copa America? Nothing else is suitable to playing in? That's like how people piss on the Carling Cup because it isn't a bazillion years old and doesn't have a bunch of hapless competition.

It seems that the main argument for the US playing in Copa America is to gain experience, but good or bad, I don't see what is gained over playing/winning the Gold Cup.

titeo

23-05-2007, 02:46 AM

It seems that the main argument for the US playing in Copa America is to gain experience, but good or bad, I don't see what is gained over playing/winning the Gold Cup.
a birth for a place in the confederations cup.

but same here. i don't really understand the point in playing your aces in a tournament that really don't really count as an international tournament. this kind of mentality that the US Soccer federation has really is hindering US Soccer development. they don't want to commit and lose an already lower than grass reputation in the world of football.

Ziegler1988

23-05-2007, 03:09 AM

a birth for a place in the confederations cup.
You get a place in the Confed Cup by winning the Gold Cup too, which is exactly the reason Bradley said he is prioritizing it - because he thinks we have a better chance of winning the Gold Cup than Copa America.

feint0fheart

23-05-2007, 03:33 AM

I hope Bradley does field a full strength side for the Copa America because of the better competition, but at the same time the berth for the Confederations Cup could be more valuable than any reputation the U.S. gains in say making it to the semis or the final of the Copa and then losing.

mosesmalone

23-05-2007, 01:12 PM

As sirmax mentioned, the United States (or Mexico) wouldn't get a spot in the Confederations Cup even if they won Copa America - it would be given to the runner-up, provided they are from CONMEBOL.

Another point is - how many countries actually send their "A" teams to Copa America to begin with? Not many. So even if the US did play well, it doesn't exactly "prove" very much... well, at least to me.

morky

23-05-2007, 03:52 PM

I am shocked that anybody views the Gold Cup or the Confederation Cup as more prestigeous or valuable than the Copa America.

Each to their own, but I know that if I was an American and wanted to see the sport grow in my Country I would want my players competing with the most cynical and dirty Argentine and Uruguayan defenders out there, and I would want new rivalries to be born out of controversial incidents and new supporters attracted by the players exploits.

The other two competitions just seem like meaningless friendlies to a lot of people I think.

DriveShot

01-06-2007, 05:49 PM

Too bad Landon Donovan is too much of a pussy to go to Copa America. He got the call up and refused saying the Galaxy need him too much to leave, frankly they have 1 win out of 6 with him. I can't believe this guy is captain of the USA NT and of the Galaxy when Jay Demerit can't even get a call up.

dimz

01-06-2007, 06:04 PM

i'm sure he's just afraid about underperforming. He did the same thing when trying to make a decision about Bayer Leverkusen. He opted to go back to the states instead of staying in Europe because he 'wanted to help out the MLS'. Fuck that, ur just not good enough.

DriveShot

01-06-2007, 06:06 PM

But this guy is our fucking captain! Refusing to go to the biggest tournament the USA NT is involved in besides the WC. Of course he's going to get shown up, but he needs to grow a pair and go there to compete. He's scared Becks is going to take the spotlight at LA, but guess what, he already has and he's not even there yet.

Best thing for Landy-cakes would be to go to Copa America and do his best, maybe he'll score 1 wonder goal and be able to hold onto that. Then he can come back to LA and have something to show for it.

crazylover4u

02-06-2007, 07:58 PM

i have a question that is slightly off topic...but related to copa america....I have Gol tv with dish network on channel 407 but that sucker is always in spanish...i've read a few posters saying they get english commentary on Gol TV.....i just wanted to know if there are two seperate version of gol tv ..i.e. english and spanish...