Zeh German NT Shrine *Spoilers* - Page 39

Übersuperduper · 03-06-2010, 12:28 AM

surely Müller has shown at Bayern that he deserves to start more than Klose does, so I don't see why Klose should be used other than as the 2006 Oliver Neuville role of a sub when an extra forward or fresh legs up front are needed

on a sidenote, if the rumors are true, really happy that Kießling & Kroos are going

bleething · 03-06-2010, 09:49 AM

There are no rumours, it's official.

Schweini looks really happy

and Poldi is sporting that fat "I've done fuck all but Jogi loves me" grin

mambo · 03-06-2010, 10:18 AM

*Cheeeeeeese*

Only Boateng is keeping it Gangsta

macro · 03-06-2010, 10:53 AM

just reading last time we lost a last game before wc at home was in 1938.
getting trashed by England 3:6, the führer was not amused to say the least and we all know how that ended. so in the sake of peace and freedom make it a win tonight boys.

sweed · 03-06-2010, 08:43 PM

Klose is useless

due · 03-06-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Whoah10115

Good luck with Cacau leading your line.

I don't wanna gloat but ... can't help it

Cacau looks more and more like the No. 1 striker. He gets involved, he's got the technique to play 1-2s and he's pretty decent in front of goal. The second half tonight looked promising

Now let's see how it goes in 10 days.

Übersuperduper · 03-06-2010, 11:11 PM

I don't mind Cacau being chosen, but it definitely won't feel as good if he's the reason Germany win a tournament. If he was like Podolski with foreign ancestry but grew up in Germany I wouldn't care, just like I was happy when Gerald Asamoah played for Germany. But Cacau came to Germany to play in the Bundesliga, he never really grew up there. So he's still really Brazilian. It's like when a Bulgarian weightlifter was given Abu Dhabi nationality and then won the silver medal for Abu Dhabi at the Olympics some years ago. I think national teams should remain more national and at the very least those players who play for the NT should've been in that country before 18 years old for non-football reasons. Otherwise, in the future every European team will have a Brazilian or Argentinian on their national team, which surely doesn't make sense.

due · 03-06-2010, 11:27 PM

He came over here to play footie alright, but he started at around 18-19 in the fifth league, only went to Nürnberg in 2001 and played in the second team for a while as well. He's been here for over 10 years now. I'm not going to criticize his decision. There are plenty of players playing for Turkey for example that have never lived there either.

Just imagine almost all of the US sport teams without all the players with African backgrounds. That would surely mix things up in for example basketball

So ... if a sports player feels more at home in his adopted country than his or his parents "home country", why shouldn't he be able to play for their national team? I like that things have become more lenient towards players choice. As long as they don't get paid to change their nationality...

Übersuperduper · 04-06-2010, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by due

He came over here to play footie alright, but he started at around 18-19 in the fifth league, only went to Nürnberg in 2001 and played in the second team for a while as well. He's been here for over 10 years now. I'm not going to criticize his decision. There are plenty of players playing for Turkey for example that have never lived there either.

Well you have a point with him playing in the fifth league, but when a player in his heart wants Brazil to win more than he wants Germany to, because he was born in and grew up in Brazil, then would it really feel good if he scored the winning goal in the WC final to win the WC for Germany? I could understand if he was like Gerald Asamoah who is one of my favorite players of WC2002, and came to Germany as a kid for non-football reasons. But just because Cacau lived in Germany for 10 years doesn't take away from the fact he came over only for football reasons and did so after he lived his whole childhood in Brazil.

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Originally Posted by due

Just imagine almost all of the US sport teams without all the players with African backgrounds. That would surely mix things up in for example basketball

So ... if a sports player feels more at home in his adopted country than his or his parents "home country", why shouldn't he be able to play for their national team? I like that things have become more lenient towards players choice. As long as they don't get paid to change their nationality...

Are you serious??? Those black athletes with African backgrounds were born in the US, raised in the US, and don't know anything about Africa. Not only that, but their parents, grandparents, great-grandparents and so on until maybe the 1800s were born in the US. The United States is 99% immigrants, basically the US is a country of immigrants. But imagine if we could give Cuahmetoc Blanco who plays for the Chicago Fire US citizenship and let him play for the NT. Would it be right to give him, somebody who was born in, and grew up in Mexico, a place on the national team when he only came to the US to play football? Of course not.
And those players who play for Turkey's NT have a Turkish background. If Cacau was the son of German immigrants to Brazil it wouldn't be a problem, since he has some non-football relationship with the country. That's why I didn't have such a problem with Kuranyi, since his father had a non-footballing connection to Germany. But I would have a problem if Ronaldinho was allowed by Fifa to now play for Spain or Italy. It simply doesn't make sense.

Cacau is taking a spot away from another German player, and also isn't really supporting the cause in his heart. He's only playing for Germany because he wasn't good enough for Brazil's team. It should be an honor to play for the National Mannshaft, not an alternative because you're not good enough for another team.

mambo · 04-06-2010, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Übersuperduper

It should be an honor to play for the National Mannshaft, not an alternative because you're not good enough for another team.

you called ?

Im happy with Cacau playing for Germany.
He lives here for soo long... he speaks the language fluent and he got his german citizienship to give his kids an opportunity, before anyone was even thinking of him playing football for Germany. Hes definately not one of those mercs you see in so many teams.

But im sure his prospect will not always be as rosy as it looks right now. At the moment its strongly supported by Klose and Gomez having no rythym and Kießling not being challenged at all. Lets not forget Helmes severe injury and Kuranyi being denied.
Cacau is in the form of his life, but that form will go away again.